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BumRushDaShow

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32. "simply calling their bluff and going off the fiscal cliff"

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 10:18 AM

Jan 2013

Hello? We went over the "cliff". And we're still over the cliff.

There is no law that is in effect at the moment. Not until the House passes (unamended) the bill that the Senate voted on 2 hours after the Bush cuts expired (sending us over the cliff) and the President signs it. If the House refuses to vote on it or amends it to the point where the Senate rejects it when it comes back to them to vote on again, then we will still be "over the cliff". AND if no action happens on it by Thursday when the next Congress is sworn in, then it's all moot and they would have to start all over.

I.e., I hope that we don't get into the same technical misinformation that we went through with the ACA where the dumbass media made it appear as if various versions of the Senate "bill" was THE final law and that was it, with no need to reconcile versions between the Senate and House nor any need for any other actions, etc.

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This is no way to govern. [View all] MadHound Jan 2013 OP

Repugs repeatedly hold us hostage and we have to blame Obame... Ohio Joe Jan 2013 #1

It is up to Obama whether to call the 'Pugs bluff, MadHound Jan 2013 #5

with all due respect DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #52

Russia has steppes...we have bluffs...as far as the eye can see. HereSince1628 Jan 2013 #7

wrong.... bowens43 Jan 2013 #38

The President makes a lot more than $400K annually BeyondGeography Jan 2013 #2

Just noting an interesting fact. MadHound Jan 2013 #6

For starters, he made about $800K last year BeyondGeography Jan 2013 #8

That and he just increased his salary, and that of Congress. nt. eilen Jan 2013 #11

That salary increase is rescinded by the fiscal cliff deal. Lasher Jan 2013 #16

An obvious attempt to ease his personal tax burden BeyondGeography Jan 2013 #18

He didn't increase his salary. He doesn't have the power to do that. phleshdef Jan 2013 #55

You just accused the President of an impeachable offense--manipulating the tax code for personal msanthrope Jan 2013 #22

Insane indeed. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #3

Agree 100%. djean111 Jan 2013 #4

I'm afraid this country has been governing this way off and on since the beginning of its existence Pirate Smile Jan 2013 #9

thanks-- good piece NoMoreWarNow Jan 2013 #21

Never. We just try to mitigate the damage they can cause. Pirate Smile Jan 2013 #27

Completely agree.... Swede Atlanta Jan 2013 #10

Obama roped the dopes again. Give it up. graham4anything Jan 2013 #12

"Rope the dopes"? It's a bad deal for America. Dawgs Jan 2013 #19

I guess we are the dopes. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2013 #25

The 3 stages WashingtonConsensus Jan 2013 #13

Playing chicken with psychos is not wise. DCBob Jan 2013 #14

Then why did Obama and the Dems set up another contrived crisis just two months down the road? MadHound Jan 2013 #31

because a comprehensive deal was not possible now. DCBob Jan 2013 #40

No, the only option was to stand up to the bully, MadHound Jan 2013 #53

Lets get something straight BrainMann1 Jan 2013 #15

Welcome to DU--home to many who blame Obama first rather than Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #33

More purist nonsense from MadHound, the always-angry man. YAWN...ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ... RBInMaine Jan 2013 #17

You just accused the President of maniuplating the tax code for his personal gain. Prove what you msanthrope Jan 2013 #20

You had me until your 4th paragraph where you just had to jump of the cliff lunatica Jan 2013 #23

R you kidding me? Botany Jan 2013 #24

No they didn't get what they wanted. bowens43 Jan 2013 #39

I really don't ProSense Jan 2013 #26

It's all a farce & we pay them for this kabuki theater...joke's on us. nt mother earth Jan 2013 #28

Representative Democracy Is Not Pretty... KharmaTrain Jan 2013 #29

This is so true. mgardener Jan 2013 #30

"simply calling their bluff and going off the fiscal cliff" BumRushDaShow Jan 2013 #32

You are gonna get beat up by the "party first" dems...... dotymed Jan 2013 #34

***This*** 99Forever Jan 2013 #35

Shock doctrine obamamyprez Jan 2013 #36

On most points, I agree...but there would have been a price for going over LibertyBell7 Jan 2013 #37

This is exactly right. bowens43 Jan 2013 #41

Go effin' tell that to the Republican/Teabagger obstructionists who Skidmore Jan 2013 #42

Now THAT's truly 'no way to govern' Cirque du So-What Jan 2013 #43

Government by Shock Doctrine. woo me with science Jan 2013 #44

^^^ this^^^ TDale313 Jan 2013 #51

Obama participated in creating the fiscal cliff Oilwellian Jan 2013 #45

It's a symptom of Teabagger idiocy running amok in the House. Odin2005 Jan 2013 #46

LOL MuseRider Jan 2013 #47

Speaking as one of the most radical among us, Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #48

and SOOO many DUers fall for it Skittles Jan 2013 #49

I think I owe you an apology. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #54

Surely at some point the President will realize no one can successfully negotiate with those acting indepat Jan 2013 #50