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H2O Man

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Mon Mar 16, 2026, 08:38 PM Mar 16

On Human Beings [View all]

“We are faced with evil. I feel rather like Augustine did before becoming a Christian when he said, ' I tried to find the source of evil and I got nowhere. But it is also true that I and a few others knew what must be done if not to reduce evil to at least not add to it.' Perhaps we cannot prevent this world from being a world in which children are tortured. But we can reduce the number of children being tortured. And if you believers don't help us, who else in this world can help us do that?”
Albert Camus



Yes, indeed, we are currently faced with evil. As always, I use the term “evil” in the psychological sense as defined by the late Michael Stone and his top student Gary Brucato. Those of you interested in “true crime” in a psychological context may be familiar with their books, or have seen Gary on various podcasts. In that context, it is the crimes that absolutely repulse most people that rate as evil. The butchering of four college students in Idaho a few years back, for example.

Dropping a tomahawk missile on a girls' elementary school fits my idea of evil. It reminds me of when in 1963, members of the KKK planted 19 sticks of dynamite & timing device under the steps of the 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, killing four little girls. Most people find such things repulsive. Only the sickest among us try to excuse such things, or worse, celebrate it.

Human beings, in my opinion, should not celebrate evil. If an individual, group like the KKK, or a military murders innocent people, we should not celebrate. When those responsible for evil are tried, convicted, and incarcerated, we should be relieved, even very happy. Being human for now, I struggle with the recognition that the deaths of a few world “leaders” could result in my celebrating. Much of my thinking is based upon my status as a grandfather, and discussions with my siblings, cousins, and friends who are grandparents. It is not only about our children, as we all relate to the powerful quote above from Camus.

Thus, as a pathetic old man who has participated in the wonders and horrors of life, I think about “evil,” too. It exists only within human beings. Natural disasters are destructive, but not evil. Likewise, the documentary series “Chimp Empire” suggests that sapiens have long participated in violence. This relates to how the organic structure of sapiens leading to down to us have that potential, but chimps are not “evil,” but rather participants in the wonders and horrors of organic life on earth.

Evil, however, is entirely a reality of modern humans. It came about as a concept when our frontal lobes evolved in size, making child birth painful, making the awareness of our future death an unpleasant reality, and most all of the features of the ancient allegory about the “fall from grace” that is generally misunderstood. Indeed, one of the most common sources of evil is when higher learning falls upon lower understanding. That type of concrete thinking is why it is likely that at least one stranger in the grocery store you go to thinks we needed to bomb Iran before they bombed us.

There is the story about Jesus meditating in the desert for 40 days. Those at the lower levels of understanding believe that is limited to an actual desert, rather than grasping a “desert” also has a significant psychological meaning. More, they believe that Jesus was tempted a red being, complete with horns and pitchfork, known as the devil. They are guided by Santa God and Stained Glass Jesus, totally unaware that was a psychological struggle that Jesus had regarding the path he would follow. This reality helps us view Jesus in the context of humanity.

I think the other source of evil starts with the abuse of children, including individual cases in particular. Both DNA and environment combine to create sociopaths, just as blue and yellow creates green. This creates the creeps that butcher college students, dynamite churches, or bomb schools. This can include childhoods that appear “normal,” whatever that is.

I do not pretend to know what “the” answer is. But I know if a little one in the extended family is being abused, we have to confront and deal with it. If a child is being abused in a community, the community must take action. The same in a state, country, or any place on earth. We are in a tough fight – it might even feel like a desert these days – and this requires that we all do our best to reduce the numbers of human beings suffering.

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On Human Beings [View all] H2O Man Mar 16 OP
Excellent. Thank you. LoisB Mar 16 #1
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 16 #3
We have for generations watched television shows... Morbius Mar 16 #2
Great points. H2O Man Mar 16 #5
IMO, households (expectations) have been greatly influenced by TV FHRRK1 Mar 17 #32
K&R spanone Mar 16 #4
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 16 #7
We sure are faced with evil malaise Mar 16 #6
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 16 #8
Yep malaise Mar 16 #9
Right. H2O Man Mar 16 #10
If he had to personally attack Iran without some payback, it never would have happened. HighFired49 Mar 16 #18
I suppose evil is subjective Saoirse9 Mar 16 #11
I agree and disagree. H2O Man Mar 17 #22
Thank you for your thoughts. You draw attention to the questions that need asking. yellow dahlia Mar 16 #12
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 17 #23
Indeed - like a miasma. yellow dahlia Mar 17 #30
I think that was the time from a high mountain top the devil showed and promised Jesus all the kingdoms of the earth. spike jones Mar 16 #13
Great point. H2O Man Mar 17 #24
I agree AZProgressive Mar 16 #14
Right. H2O Man Mar 17 #25
Get thee behind me, Donald. Mblaze Mar 16 #15
Sometimes H2O Man Mar 17 #26
Every day in every way Mblaze Mar 18 #35
Thanks so much, H2O ... littlemissmartypants Mar 16 #16
Good question! H2O Man Mar 17 #28
Thanks so much for your reply! I'm so glad that I asked. Lots to ponder. 🤓❤️ littlemissmartypants Mar 17 #34
Well written H2O Man. flashman13 Mar 16 #17
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 17 #29
I have long believed that we could eliminate a lot of evil in the world wnylib Mar 17 #19
Agree 100% H2O Man Mar 18 #36
My experience as a Big Sister for 2 young girls wnylib Mar 18 #42
Being tortured I_UndergroundPanther Mar 17 #20
Good points! H2O Man Mar 18 #37
Aww thanks H2O Man😸 I_UndergroundPanther Mar 18 #44
War isn't a video game. It's up close, personal, horrific, tragic. Martin Eden Mar 17 #21
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 18 #38
The grief of a parent losing a son, or a brother losing a brother Martin Eden Mar 18 #43
Grandmom's advice Whip-poor-will Mar 17 #27
Beautiful! H2O Man Mar 18 #39
humans need to evolve so the worst of us is as good as the best of us now. cynical_idealist Mar 17 #31
Imagine that! H2O Man Mar 18 #40
Good people lift others up. usonian Mar 17 #33
Well said. H2O Man Mar 18 #41
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