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Sympthsical

(10,959 posts)
57. Maritime advice from people who always steer full speed into the ice field
Sun Mar 22, 2026, 12:53 PM
18 hrs ago

Has worn thin. I just won't be lectured anymore from the "All the choices made leading into 2024 were magic!" brigade - which is where the bulk of this stuff comes from. Every decision is the most amazing decision any leadership made in the history of ever.

We are always in an election cycle with the way our politics and media work. So the "Now is not the time!" people feel like their argument is evergreen.

My argument is "Give people something to vote for."

New leadership, new direction could be that. If we choose to seize the opportunity instead of doing the same shit with the same gerontocracy that feels like it's been in place as long as I've been alive.

What does it say for the health of the party that our best electoral prospects in the past decade have been, "Wait for Trump to fuck up spectacularly - then we move in!"

2018. 2020 where Covid undid Trump. And then he's still. fucking. here. Republicans hold all the levers of power.

And somehow, "Tch, leadership is fine," is an actual argument people are making?

Is there a suicide pact no one told me about?

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I don't give a FUCK what repukes think Skittles Yesterday #1
I get that bigtree Yesterday #2
I THINK DEMS NEED NEW LEADERSHIP Skittles Yesterday #3
I'M FED UP WITH PEOPLE TEARING OUR LEADERS DOWN bigtree Yesterday #4
A LOT OF US CALL IT LIKE WE SEE IT Skittles Yesterday #6
do what you want bigtree Yesterday #8
Calling voters stupid and irresponsible is a great way to get them to to polls. Orrex 21 hrs ago #27
Some voters do self identify LOL SocialDemocrat61 21 hrs ago #31
So what do you like about Schumer's leadership? dem4decades 21 hrs ago #30
he was an effective legislative leader in the majority bigtree 20 hrs ago #36
dems can deal with that after the election not slug it out in advance IMO msongs Yesterday #5
What, specifically are you looking for? creeksneakers2 Yesterday #12
Let's wait until the Republicans are out of power mzmolly 21 hrs ago #33
Me too Ferrets are Cool 20 hrs ago #39
Plus it all feeds into the corporate media's SocialDemocrat61 Yesterday #7
There isn't going to be fighting... Historic NY Yesterday #9
which more or less flies in the face - of the incessant hue and cry that we are currently stopdiggin Yesterday #10
these people haven't REALLY been 'party' supporters - for a long, long time stopdiggin Yesterday #11
Who are "these people" you refer to? luv2fly Yesterday #14
interesting, isn't it? Skittles Yesterday #15
The timing seems a bit off. mzmolly 21 hrs ago #34
those that (repeatedly) tell us that "they cannot vote for" - a Democrat, or a party stopdiggin 19 hrs ago #45
Winning elections isn't so important for those who think both sides are the same. Taking over the Democratic Party betsuni Yesterday #17
"For the American people it can be the difference between life and death right now, here in the reality based world." mzmolly 20 hrs ago #43
They party bashers have cost us elections and when they do they don't regret it one bit. creeksneakers2 Yesterday #13
Who are "they [sic] party bashers" you reference? luv2fly Yesterday #16
Jill Stein voters SocialDemocrat61 22 hrs ago #18
In the context of the OP, I suspect that's inaccurate. n/t luv2fly 22 hrs ago #21
Why? SocialDemocrat61 21 hrs ago #22
Those who don't understand how change happens mzmolly 19 hrs ago #49
You mean those like Barack Obama? Who Maru Kitteh 18 hrs ago #56
What? mzmolly 17 hrs ago #60
7 years in the state senate and half a US Senate term? dpibel 17 hrs ago #62
Incremental change and compromise as a sin -- but Social Security, Medicare, ACA, all progress -- incremental. betsuni 17 hrs ago #59
such a good point bigtree 16 hrs ago #66
Nobody is forcing them to do anything creeksneakers2 19 hrs ago #53
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity 22 hrs ago #19
I think the GOP is just fine with an appeaser like Schumer in leadership 617Blue 22 hrs ago #20
what did he 'appease' on during the historic legislative advancements during Biden's term? bigtree 21 hrs ago #24
"petrified of a Leader like .." You can't seriously BELIEVE ....? stopdiggin 19 hrs ago #46
Right-wing can relax, attacking the Democratic Party is being done for them. betsuni 21 hrs ago #23
the pattern was set in the last presidential election. bigtree 21 hrs ago #28
Republicans couldn't have so successfully demonized government and Democrats without all the help. betsuni 20 hrs ago #37
nailed it. what is 100% predictable - is there will be SOMETHING to be 'outraged and disappointed' about in the stopdiggin 19 hrs ago #50
Long Live That Mess We Call Democracy Emile 21 hrs ago #25
Republicans are happy to watch fawning cheerleaders attack their fellow Democrats Orrex 21 hrs ago #26
Sorry, but Democrats do a great job of sabotaging the best election chances they have with conciliatory leaders lees1975 21 hrs ago #29
it's not about what republicans think, but you should care that they're smirking from the WH bigtree 20 hrs ago #42
I guess "Schumer is doing great and you're stupid and a bad Democrat Scrivener7 21 hrs ago #32
Spot on! demmiblue 16 hrs ago #67
Exactly, and very well said! MineralMan 21 hrs ago #35
What are we talking about here, and why? displacedvermoter 20 hrs ago #38
a resurgence of shitstirring over the Dem leadership bigtree 20 hrs ago #41
Democrats in Disarray displacedvermoter 19 hrs ago #47
This you? dpibel 17 hrs ago #63
It basically boils down to: "Someone disagreed with me on the internet." demmiblue 19 hrs ago #44
while doing a pretty darned good job of coherently laying out their OWN points and opinion ... stopdiggin 19 hrs ago #51
Oh. Is it "Now Is Not The Time!" Bingo season already? Sympthsical 20 hrs ago #40
while the insistant (and oh so VOCAL) opposition has gained us .. ? (FFS) stopdiggin 19 hrs ago #52
Maritime advice from people who always steer full speed into the ice field Sympthsical 18 hrs ago #57
equally delusional - are those that continue to insist that we're going to win back stopdiggin 18 hrs ago #58
I guess it depends on who you want to get to the polls. Phoenix61 19 hrs ago #48
this is the holy grail bigtree 17 hrs ago #61
Except they see Jeffries and Schumer as the face of the Dem party Phoenix61 15 hrs ago #68
like I said bigtree 15 hrs ago #69
Well if they're going to do it i prefer now as opposed to SSJVegeta 19 hrs ago #54
As much as we like or dislike our political leaders, they are elected by their constituants walkingman 18 hrs ago #55
It's become obvious to me MorbidButterflyTat 16 hrs ago #64
anyone who knows me here bigtree 16 hrs ago #65
"The candidates didn't fail to resonate with voters; the voters failed to resonate with the candidates." Orrex 8 hrs ago #70
Jeffries stands up to Trump, says to shut his mouth before someone gets killed (strongly worded fighting spirit) betsuni 7 hrs ago #71
You know, you're right. Orrex 7 hrs ago #72
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