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Lucky Luciano

(11,864 posts)
68. I approve this wholeheartedly.
Wed Mar 25, 2026, 06:46 PM
Mar 25

I discussed something like this with my son’s 8th grade English teacher. She’s literally 80 years old with an education doctorate and she believes AI will end civilization basically. She doesn’t give any essays or writing homework bc her assumption is that the kids will use AI - “write an essay on the following topic, but make it look like a smart eighth grader wrote it.” She does give in class writing though.

I suggested something like random drug tests. Give the assignments and randomly sample kids to orally quiz them on the spot on what they wrote about. She said smart kids could still game that system and it would be an unsustainable burden anyway to conduct those interviews. She participates in some ongoing research at Northwestern University trying to find a solution. A solution is needed though. The toothpaste isn’t going back in the tube.

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Excellent! SheltieLover Mar 25 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Mar 25 #2
How is that any different from grading written assignments? Coventina Mar 25 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Mar 25 #6
I have never encountered such a system in all my years of being a student or professor. n/t Coventina Mar 25 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Mar 25 #11
I'll take your word for it in regards to UC, but I'm pretty confident that's not the norm. Coventina Mar 25 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Mar 25 #15
OK, so that's law school. And only testing, not other forms of assignments. Coventina Mar 25 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Mar 25 #17
Please provide the link that says this applies to all undergrad programs. n/t Coventina Mar 25 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Mar 25 #20
I just did so and according to Google (which you recommended) it only applies to law schools Coventina Mar 25 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Mar 25 #23
So, it is used sporadically and is not mandatory. n/t Coventina Mar 25 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Mar 25 #29
All I can say is that your experience has been nothing like mine, either as a student or professor. Coventina Mar 25 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Mar 25 #37
Well, your assertions about what is "policy" is being disputed here by more posters Coventina Mar 25 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Mar 25 #41
Ummmmm Okay. Coventina Mar 25 #43
You didn't go through all teh campuses because most don't do this, and there aren't 30+ obamanut2012 Mar 25 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Mar 25 #38
Because they are incorrect obamanut2012 Mar 25 #32
Thanks! A more informed voice is much appreciated here. nt Coventina Mar 25 #36
That is not correct about the University of California system. nt PufPuf23 Mar 25 #28
Yup, it is not accurate obamanut2012 Mar 25 #34
Absolutely not true wackadoo wabbit Mar 26 #83
The vast majority of the grade for every university course I taught was anonymous. Ms. Toad Mar 25 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Mar 25 #72
I'm pretty sure my undergrad and MS grades weren't anonymously graded. Ms. Toad Mar 25 #76
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Mar 25 #77
As a professor, that wouldn't have worked with me. Ms. Toad Mar 25 #81
No such thing in the performing or fine arts. progressoid Mar 25 #24
Not one of mine did that -- either as a student ro instructor obamanut2012 Mar 25 #30
My wife has been a college professor for 30 years... Happy Hoosier Mar 25 #44
Seems odd OC375 Mar 25 #13
Any objective research into how large your asserted problem is nationwide? Torchlight Mar 25 #19
I think a better approach would be a written exam, in class, with the questions delivered orally. Trueblue Texan Mar 25 #51
Isn't a "take home exam" just fancy talk for "homework"? OC375 Mar 25 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Mar 25 #64
LOL. To each their own. :) OC375 Mar 25 #71
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Mar 25 #73
For more advanced courses, a 3 hour exam can't... Lucky Luciano Mar 25 #70
Count me incredibly unsurprised... And good on them for doing this... hlthe2b Mar 25 #4
Great idea Mysterian Mar 25 #5
Just have them write essays and solve math problems by writing in a blue book. Jacson6 Mar 25 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Mar 25 #46
never heard of a blue book. can you give a bit more detail? i figure if i google it then i'll get a lot of links about orleans Mar 25 #57
It was a multipage blank paper notebook with a blue cover. Jacson6 Mar 25 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Mar 25 #60
thanks. that helps. nt orleans Mar 25 #62
I may have been among the last to use a blue book fujiyamasan Mar 25 #66
Excellent Idea OC375 Mar 25 #9
This is an effective way to defeat cheating via AI FakeNoose Mar 25 #10
I've given up on trying to teach my students writing. Coventina Mar 25 #14
I completely agree, the remedial work needs to be done before they get to your classes FakeNoose Mar 25 #35
Given the obstacles, it appears the most honest method Torchlight Mar 25 #22
This should have been done years before AI synni Mar 25 #26
I like it... 2naSalit Mar 25 #27
I am an art prof Starry Messenger Mar 25 #40
I contend that testing is pointless. Gore1FL Mar 25 #42
That's the thing. I stopped giving tests years ago. Coventina Mar 25 #45
Sad you have to outwit learners nowadays OC375 Mar 25 #69
I'm confused. Students are accessing their phones during the test? CrispyQ Mar 25 #58
I research everyday for a living in my IT job. Gore1FL Mar 25 #63
So open book is okay, but not Google or AI. Right? -nt CrispyQ Mar 25 #65
I use Google regularly. I have used AI, but prefer Google. Gore1FL Mar 25 #75
That's not what the discussion is about, but okay. -nt CrispyQ Mar 25 #79
It was an answer to your question. If the answer is off-topic, that's on you. nt Gore1FL Mar 25 #80
One on one discussions sound great. But aren't they time-consuming? Jim__ Mar 25 #47
Fortunately, I have fairly small classes. Coventina Mar 25 #48
That sounds great! Jim__ Mar 25 #49
I had to do one of these just to get my Bachelors kairos12 Mar 25 #50
My kid had to write a thesis on a topic related to his major and defend it to graduate from his liberal arts college. Raftergirl Mar 25 #52
just a thought lapfog_1 Mar 25 #53
i dont do well on written tests , so i always asked for oral tests , in fact, AllaN01Bear Mar 25 #54
No Critical Thinking Pucks mom Mar 25 #55
AI has taken a wrecking ball to education: highplainsdem Mar 25 #74
Long overdue. Raven123 Mar 25 #67
I approve this wholeheartedly. Lucky Luciano Mar 25 #68
I refuse to use it gay texan Mar 25 #78
That's always been a major component of science fair judging. hunter Mar 25 #82
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