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woo me with science

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72. The Third Way believes Americans are stupid.
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 09:26 PM
Jan 2013

To make the argument you just made presupposes that Americans are stupid.

You argue that, because Obama did not give every single thing away, that we won. That is like arguing that you were victorious against looters who emptied out your house, because they missed a wallet in one of the back bedrooms. Not only does this public relations tax increase affect only a small fraction of the wealthy who should be paying, it is insulting in its size and the amount of money it does collect, compared to the amount of money that will be squeezed from Americans who have already been knocked down and robbed over and over and over again.

Did you even read that part? It will collect 600 billion, out of more than FOUR TRILLION that the White House seeks to collect over the next decade. Guess who's in line to be soaked for the rest?


It is a cruel joke. It is beyond cynical and obscene to pretend that this is a win in any way. *Especially* when the deal is considered in its entirety, and *especially* considering how we got here, how the possible outcomes were narrowed from the start, and how our Democratic President participated in narrowing them.

We are admonished that we are the victors *even though* these numbers spell outrageous pain and unfairness for most of us. We are admonished that we are the victors *even though* the Military Industrial complex will continue to be fed like a pig. We are admonished that we are the victors *even though* corporate sop will continue shamelessly, and *even though* the game was rigged from the outset to ensure austerity as an outcome.

We were hosed. And we were hosed cynically and deliberately, by corporatists in both parties. You can't spin lipstick onto this pig. We have seen this game too many times before, and we are sick to death of it.

Real change will come only when Americans look clearly at how the game is rigged from the start in every single negotiation, how the possible options are artificially narrowed from the start, and how every negotiation moves us rightward. Every. Single. One.

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It's a rather harmless deal, really. cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #1
(1/2/13) @ 9:15 PM 124 posts and not one REC, I guess that says it all louis c Jan 2013 #124
Yup, my ignore list is gettin a work out lately ... Champion Jack Jan 2013 #127
ofercrissake.... n/t lamp_shade Jan 2013 #2
Because he wanted ProSense Jan 2013 #3
I guess that you have a job & no children & no 401K and do not care about paying more tax awake Jan 2013 #4
Uh huh... SidDithers Jan 2013 #5
Nice try sharp_stick Jan 2013 #6
. RomneyLies Jan 2013 #7
I second that Andy823 Jan 2013 #13
in for the three! zappaman Jan 2013 #91
In consideration of stupid things I have said Flashmann Jan 2013 #8
We need a special forum for spelunkers like you Skidmore Jan 2013 #9
Brilliant! riqster Jan 2013 #53
Thank you brush Jan 2013 #65
It's obvious. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #111
Is that like the Bat cave? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2013 #119
Why is it... Glitterati Jan 2013 #10
Please provide proof of your claim that President Obama is a masterful negotiator stultusporcos Jan 2013 #18
Welcome to DU! Robb Jan 2013 #24
Robb's a dingbat Orrex Jan 2013 #37
What would you accept as proof of Obama's masterful skills of negotiation? Orrex Jan 2013 #26
Serve up what you got stultusporcos Jan 2013 #32
Well, perhaps the question needs to be asked differently: Orrex Jan 2013 #36
Your responses have become a boring and pointless stultusporcos Jan 2013 #39
In my defense, your tenure at DU has so far been boring and pointless Orrex Jan 2013 #40
be careful, or we will have to whack you with The List. n/t Whisp Jan 2013 #38
Rofl Cha Jan 2013 #60
Happy New Year to you, Cha. Whisp Jan 2013 #99
Oh goody! Glitterati Jan 2013 #30
Wow!! 12 whole posts!! How exciting!!.... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #43
He could negotiate me... RichGirl Jan 2013 #50
It's all about Wall Street Guy's. Wellstone ruled Jan 2013 #11
What? Hekate Jan 2013 #108
He didn't and don't pretend you are even fit to hold up his jock.... phleshdef Jan 2013 #12
Good job, phlesh! Oh, and, the OP forgot to use the word Cha Jan 2013 #67
Not true at all. He has never once let the working class or the poor walk all over him. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #14
This is almost ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #34
Really? Perhaps you would be so kind as to enlighten me... Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #45
I won't waste the words. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #47
Kinda what I thought. That's the problem with being a fan of a mediocre performer, when it's time Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #48
No ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #49
No problem, NYC Liberal picked up the banner and is behind the charge. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #58
I like to refute bullshit with facts when it's so damn easy. NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #71
And yet, you continue to post it in the hopes nobody will notice that it stinks. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #76
Oh I have no doubt there are people who think things like NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #86
Yes, we aren't supposed to mention his accomplishments, NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #51
LOL, of course. By all means, re-post "The List", Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #57
Some people, like you, hate to have your narrative of Big Bad Obama NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #68
I can't help but notice that you've overlooked posting any of the numerous Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #75
SSDD indeed. Some people can't stand that their narrative of NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #81
Big Bad Obama is your narrative, not mine. You true believers are the ones that have deluded Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #105
No, it is yours. The purist crowd lives in a bubble where only they matter NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #113
And the fantasy just keeps on rolling. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #120
Ah yes. All of us dumb rubes bow down to your obviously superior intellect. NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #121
No, you should listen to the people that have shown an interest in running things Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #122
+1 forestpath Jan 2013 #92
It was hair. nt SunsetDreams Jan 2013 #15
pissing on the president again? backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #16
He never caves. woo me with science Jan 2013 #17
If that were true, then the Bush tax cuts for the 1% would've been extended. phleshdef Jan 2013 #23
Wow, that's some spin. woo me with science Jan 2013 #41
Its not spin. Its completely accurate. phleshdef Jan 2013 #46
The Third Way believes Americans are stupid. woo me with science Jan 2013 #72
Blah, blah, 3rd way, DLC, rigged game, corporatists, blah. phleshdef Jan 2013 #78
Ignore the outcome and the numbers and go for the insults. woo me with science Jan 2013 #80
Oh, yea I forgot "blah blah shock doctrine blah blah". Thanks for reminding me. phleshdef Jan 2013 #83
Just when I tired ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #88
Yea I know. Especially this one. He/she is quite pretentious and way too in love with the sound of.. phleshdef Jan 2013 #89
Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #93
You have not refuted the post in any way. woo me with science Jan 2013 #90
Theres nothing to refute. You made no real argument of value. phleshdef Jan 2013 #97
I rest my case. nt woo me with science Jan 2013 #98
Now that... Bobbie Jo Jan 2013 #100
I have a question for you. Why are the tax cuts for the wealthy permanent sabrina 1 Jan 2013 #125
. graywarrior Jan 2013 #19
trying out a new sockpuppet? tjwash Jan 2013 #20
I believe the Obama Caves are located in Illinois. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #21
. jberryhill Jan 2013 #52
Lolz JaneyVee Jan 2013 #94
Cave on what? Letting Republicans vote for a tax increase? mzmolly Jan 2013 #22
It is a good deal. Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #25
An epic fail of a thread! Keep trying though, you'll get it right someday..... Rowdyboy Jan 2013 #27
+1 ... for this and similar responses Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #28
On his next Pass as a Mole? pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #33
OP was expecting to get a whole shitload of "attaboys" and only got a few. Actually... lamp_shade Jan 2013 #35
Thank you for your concern intaglio Jan 2013 #29
Do you think the Repub House will vote for this deal? Lugnut Jan 2013 #31
Let me guess.... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #42
Blah blah blah... CakeGrrl Jan 2013 #44
So we get upset when R's turn down a 10:1 deal but now we're tight over 1:41 deal the Right hates? smorkingapple Jan 2013 #54
Uh...because he didn't? regnaD kciN Jan 2013 #55
To piss off concern trolls, whose posting in the past 6 days consists of, in full: muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #56
Nice catch(es) Trajan Jan 2013 #66
Why did Senator Bernie Sanders and Senator Sherrod Brown VOTE FOR IT? Cha Jan 2013 #59
So did Dennis Kucinich One of the 99 Jan 2013 #117
Your concern is noted. Please feel free to share more of your concerns, and enjoy your stay. nt msanthrope Jan 2013 #61
The President didn't fucking cave in. nt bluestate10 Jan 2013 #62
hit and run?? cliffordu Jan 2013 #63
Looks like it... SidDithers Jan 2013 #64
Oh? I hadn't noticed.. having too much fun Cha Jan 2013 #69
Probably a safe bet after 5 1/2 hours :) pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #70
LOL! cliffordu Jan 2013 #74
Slick "PassedMole" reads the crap around Cha Jan 2013 #87
72 replies and zero recc's... stlsaxman Jan 2013 #73
I'm going to assume this is a joke. Pirate Smile Jan 2013 #77
This is sarcasm, right? eom BlueCaliDem Jan 2013 #79
Welcome to DU. ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #82
More TeaLeftistPurist NONSENSE. yawn....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.... RBInMaine Jan 2013 #84
Maybe because WE'RE supposed to be his backbone. liberalmuse Jan 2013 #85
Haven't you heard? He left it at the last fiscal cliff. southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #95
I musta missed somethin... fadedrose Jan 2013 #96
Because maybe you do not see the big picture, and maybe he does. longship Jan 2013 #101
Bernie Sanders voted for it. n/t Pryderi Jan 2013 #102
Really. Unemployment benefits, medicare and social security payments still_one Jan 2013 #103
Hey, if you didn't "hit & run", take a look at this. The American people wanted..... Tarheel_Dem Jan 2013 #104
All the progressives voted for it. Did they throw themselves under the bus? Hekate Jan 2013 #106
They are also not claiming it is time to celebrate. Here is what Senator Merkley said about his Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #115
Huffington Post said Boehner caved. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2013 #107
I think huff post is in the cellar getting Cha Jan 2013 #109
Chas. Krauthammer says McConnell's deal is "complete surrender" Hekate Jan 2013 #110
No, he did not cave, The President negotiated akbacchus_BC Jan 2013 #112
I found a couple more candidates for my ignore list davidpdx Jan 2013 #114
Since you are relatively new here, you should probably MineralMan Jan 2013 #116
I don't know what deal you're looking at, but Republicans lost BIG time on this. NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #118
you arenīt very good at this arely staircase Jan 2013 #123
Aw, fer cryin' out loud! Dyedinthewoolliberal Jan 2013 #126
Why did the GOP cave sidramone Jan 2013 #128
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