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BlueStreak

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39. Nonsensical rhetoric

Reply to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 02:06 AM

Jan 2013

He will negotiate. He has no choice.

The choice he DOES have is to not unilaterally take off the table the idea of shutting down government. But the idea that he will just stick his fingers in his ears and not negotiate is beyond absurd. The GOP will try to cut programs. In the unlikely event that Obama grows a pair in the next two months, he will counter with a revenue and spending proposal more like what he campaigned on. And then he will dare the GOP to shut down government.

There is absolutely no scenario where there is simply no negotiation, and it is complete foolishness for anybody to take that seriously. It is just bravado -- bravado that he has not backed up in any of his past negotiations.

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Pres. Obama: I will not renegotiate raising debt ceiling [View all] Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 OP

To hell with the naysayers (there's always the next outrage). Take that, REPUBLICANS! nt gateley Jan 2013 #1

Booyah! Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #7

I have no problem with his style, Never have never will! sheshe2 Jan 2013 #2

Teahadists are plotting now. ellisonz Jan 2013 #3

I agree. But they are targeting GOP. Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #9

The GOP turning to shit doesn't really help us. ellisonz Jan 2013 #11

And DNC will make sure it is known as the Kantor Debt Default Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #15

I think you overestimate the level of news consumption of the average mid-term election voter. ellisonz Jan 2013 #18

You seem to be confusing debt ceiling and deficit reduction deal Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #21

"When the new aspects of Obamacare kick in, it will change deficit picture a lot. For the better." ellisonz Jan 2013 #23

And if he (Cantor) screws that coup up by even a 17 vote threshold, Volaris Jan 2013 #36

This is my hope Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #38

"You get nothing" Recursion Jan 2013 #4

I agree. Reelection done. Hard ass Obama is here! Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #8

That's how I see it too madokie Jan 2013 #79

But He Said He Will Not Negotiate With THIS Congress Again On The Debt Ceiling...... global1 Jan 2013 #5

; ) good one! Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #28

In a day or two and a new Congress takes their seats. coldbeer Jan 2013 #31

I was thinking exactly the same thing when I heard it! BlueCaliDem Jan 2013 #56

Typical lawyer railsback Jan 2013 #57

Yes, the war expenses have already been incurred. postulater Jan 2013 #6

Exactly. Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #12

Then why wasn't the debt ceiling increase part of this current bill TXDem72 Jan 2013 #10

Love his style.. Cha Jan 2013 #13

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE (nt) Recursion Jan 2013 #14

Lol. Love that photo. Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #16

Cool, Calm and Collected! That's our PBO. sheshe2 Jan 2013 #19

AND, he's sayin'.. Cha Jan 2013 #26

So what's he going to do instead ? n/t PoliticAverse Jan 2013 #17

Let them default or watch them shut up and Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #22

"I will not extend Bush Tax cuts for 250k and above" Report1212 Jan 2013 #20

Really? Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #24

Full context: mzmolly Jan 2013 #29

Thanks for the context Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #30

You're welcome. mzmolly Jan 2013 #71

Link(s)? nt SunSeeker Jan 2013 #44

LOL!! He has caved on nearly every issue he has faced and you take his word on this? bowens43 Jan 2013 #25

Social security? Untouched. Taxes? Raised. Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #27

Some folk don't do reality well uponit7771 Jan 2013 #35

What color is the sky on your world? nt. OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #58

You really believe he won't negotiate? CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #32

Provide full quote Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #33

Too much effort CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #42

Campaigning on and offering that as his opening Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #43

see it is NOT a PROMISE Skittles Jan 2013 #50

Debt ceiling is the next corporate media buzzword Mosaic Jan 2013 #34

oh yes Skittles Jan 2013 #51

Work for the WH much? blkmusclmachine Jan 2013 #37

Never have. Would like to Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #41

WhAt's wrong with working for the White House? Iggo Jan 2013 #53

Nonsensical rhetoric BlueStreak Jan 2013 #39

That is bullshit Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #40

Nothing to fear but a 22 trillion dollar legacy.... humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #45

Again, that is obviously not on him Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #47

Not on him... than on who? humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #49

On Bush, GOP House, and a giant recession Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #54

The government cannot attack the debt by itself. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #70

I think so too JustAnotherGen Jan 2013 #72

I agree with all of that. And the time to have done that was during "the cliff" BlueStreak Jan 2013 #74

Absolutely, and he just screwed up his best opportunity to deal with in ways that are consistent BlueStreak Jan 2013 #73

You are definately paying attention... humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #77

And tighter rules on tax shelters BlueStreak Jan 2013 #78

Open up a can of 14th Amendment on their ass! nt SunSeeker Jan 2013 #46

Haha. Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #55

I have no problem with style but I do wonder humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #48

Probably so he can get something done Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #52

I fully trust President Obama to do the right thing jsr Jan 2013 #59

Such as Banning insurance companies from denying coverage Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #62

I hope he sticks with that statement. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #60

EXCELLENT POINT Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #63

Honestly, does anyone take this statement seriously? YayArea Jan 2013 #61

Yes. They had him over a barrel in 2011. Not now. Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #64

Translation: "I will renegotiate raising the debt ceiling." budkin Jan 2013 #65

He'll negotiate taxes and sequestration--but not debt limit Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #67

what does that statement mean? It seems to me it means he won't try to raise the ceiling the HiPointDem Jan 2013 #66

He will let the repukes threaten to default on national debt Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #68

can you link me to something? that's a lot of reading into, if it's all based on the first short HiPointDem Jan 2013 #69

He shouldn't... Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #75

Might be a stupid question, but here goes. 99Forever Jan 2013 #76

It works like this. Repukes say "we won't raise debt ceiling unless Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #80

Thanks for explaining ... 99Forever Jan 2013 #81

Eyes you have but you do not see Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #82

Wowzer... 99Forever Jan 2013 #83

Yes Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #84