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muriel_volestrangler

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51. The op-ed author is a far right Catholic who thought Francis was awful
Fri Apr 10, 2026, 03:11 PM
Apr 10
How Pope Francis fought the church – and lost

In the course of his 12-year pontificate, Francis managed to undermine the clarity of the Church’s teaching on several hot-button issues. But he did not change any dogmas. And with his death, he leaves behind a Church that is tired of the confusion, and a generation of young Catholics who love the Church precisely for the rules he tried to liberalize.

Since the sexual revolution, Catholic liberals have hoped for a pope who would bring the Church in line with secular social trends. This faction regarded Francis’ papal predecessors John Paul II and Benedict XVI as arch-conservative arch-villains.

Francis was their hero, a pope who came to the throne describing social conservatives as “whited sepulchres” and “little monsters” who “like to throw stones.” Armed with papal infallibility, he could bring some overdue change.
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Liberals had predicted a “Francis effect” on Church attendance, a “return to parishes on a mass scale” in the words of biographer Austen Ivereigh, in response to Francis’ liberal words and deeds. Instead, weekly Mass attendance has stagnated since 2008, at around one-quarter of Catholics. Priestly vocations continue to decline. The only growth is among priests and lay Catholics who possess the very “trad” sensibility that Francis sought to eradicate. As the cardinals meet to elect the next pope, they should consider these facts.

https://nypost.com/2025/04/26/opinion/how-pope-francis-fought-the-church-and-lost/

And she thought Leo would reverse it all - oh dear, what a shame, Leo is a far better person than she will ever be:

How Pope Leo XIV will end the Catholic Church’s ‘age of arbitrariness’

During his 12-year pontificate, Pope Francis urged Catholics to shake up their church and “make a mess” if they had to. It seems he took his own advice a bit too literally, because he left a mess for his successor, Pope Leo XIV, whose inaugural Mass will take place this Sunday.

In today’s Catholic Church, confusion reigns on core teachings, conservative and liberal factions are at war, the Vatican is on the verge of a liquidity crisis, and corruption infests the bureaucracy.

The good news? Leo might actually be the man to clean it all up.

A pope’s No. 1 job is to secure doctrinal and ecclesial unity. But Francis prioritized outreach to the unbelieving and half-believing, and he regarded Catholics who adhere firmly to Catholic dogma as mere impediments.

His strategy of condemning churchgoing Catholics and their hardworking priests — always a pope’s most faithful followers — as Pharisees was not exactly a master class in leadership. Then he issued documents that appeared to contradict settled Catholic teaching on gay relationships and remarriage after divorce, and the Church was thrown into chaos.

https://nypost.com/2025/05/17/opinion/how-poep-leo-xiv-will-end-the-catholic-churchs-age-of-arbitrariness/

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Conversion to Catholism is suddenly "cool"? [View all] some_of_us_are_sane Apr 10 OP
Lordy lordy. Everyone wants to cool and edgy. Redleg Apr 10 #1
My Wild West family's religion was "Not Mormon." hunter Apr 10 #8
LOL. Sounds familiar Redleg Apr 10 #56
I want to be different just like EVERYONE ELSE underpants Apr 10 #52
Good grief. Irish_Dem Apr 10 #2
Still isn't for me Mz Pip Apr 10 #5
Yep. I left the church when they banned birth control in 1968. Irish_Dem Apr 10 #6
Me, too Mz Pip Apr 10 #11
Same here. Irish_Dem Apr 10 #15
I understand some_of_us_are_sane Apr 10 #18
During Confirmation I asked why there were no women in the holy trinity, & the pastor was stunned silent. CrispyQ Apr 10 #54
We were very oppressed when I was growing up. ananda Apr 10 #9
Yes what are people thinking? Irish_Dem Apr 10 #13
Exactly! some_of_us_are_sane Apr 10 #19
He's totally moving in the right direction so I can forgive him for being a White Sox fan, Brother Buzz Apr 10 #47
LMAO! some_of_us_are_sane Apr 10 #48
LOL. I like this pope too. ananda Apr 10 #49
Good observation! some_of_us_are_sane Apr 10 #62
Good observation! some_of_us_are_sane Apr 10 #63
Lol me too! Faux pas Apr 10 #36
Well, It Helps Deep State Witch Apr 10 #3
It is profoundly not punk rock. maxsolomon Apr 10 #4
Yes, maxsolomon some_of_us_are_sane Apr 10 #17
After 12 years of Catholic education some_of_us_are_sane Apr 10 #7
I was born Catholic. OC375 Apr 10 #10
I'd say some_of_us_are_sane Apr 10 #27
Oye Vey! Dawson Leery Apr 10 #12
I agee about the last two fellas some_of_us_are_sane Apr 10 #25
"Julia Yost is a senior editor of First Things magazine" LOL. The magazine for right wing idiots muriel_volestrangler Apr 10 #14
"RWer assigned to insert Bezos's nose up Vance's ass for a change"... some_of_us_are_sane Apr 10 #20
2 of the NYT's Conservative Op-Ed writers are pushing this narrative too. maxsolomon Apr 10 #24
LOL!!! some_of_us_are_sane Apr 10 #28
Yes, thank you. I was just composing a reply that had the same info. Ilikepurple Apr 10 #55
Yep. "First Things" is infamous for its "sedition symposium"... keep_left Apr 10 #57
Yep. The Catholic Church in the U.S.A. is divided along political lines... hunter Apr 10 #61
meh, it's easy to be catholic when you don't have to go to catholic school. LOL Javaman Apr 10 #16
ROFL!!! Yeah, they'll miss the film strips of sinners burning in hell as Satan laughs. 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 10 #32
With Frances first, followed by Leo as Popes, it's possible. Baitball Blogger Apr 10 #21
Agreed some_of_us_are_sane Apr 10 #29
The op-ed author is a far right Catholic who thought Francis was awful muriel_volestrangler Apr 10 #51
That reads like the whining and crying after GenThePerservering Apr 10 #60
"religion is rebellion". HEY DNC, Be REVOLUTIONARY. Put down your shrimp cocktail and LEARN. usonian Apr 10 #22
This actually never occurred to me. You might be on to something. Scrivener7 Apr 10 #26
I read too many accounts of young people being conned into thinking that Trump was the rebel who would rescue America. usonian Apr 10 #35
CORRECT ON ALL COUNTS, usonian! some_of_us_are_sane Apr 10 #41
THAT was a big part of it some_of_us_are_sane Apr 10 #31
Wait till they hear about those chastity and obedience and mass every Sunday things. Scrivener7 Apr 10 #23
Aw... they'll be like most "Christmas and Easter Catholics" some_of_us_are_sane Apr 10 #33
Tithes... mr715 Apr 10 #46
And fetching red beanies! Scrivener7 Apr 10 #58
If you want second-class status sure Starbeach Apr 10 #30
Get to be.... some_of_us_are_sane Apr 10 #34
"Submission to the pope is rebellion against the man..." LMAO Solly Mack Apr 10 #37
PERFECT REPLY! some_of_us_are_sane Apr 10 #39
I don't understand this line. "The man" or "the Man"? They generally mean two different things. Ilikepurple Apr 10 #40
That's because some_of_us_are_sane Apr 10 #42
Want the trappings without the substance? Have I got a deal for you ... JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 10 #53
I'm certain it is not "the man" as in "You the man". Solly Mack Apr 10 #44
It isn't cool. mr715 Apr 10 #38
It's like some_of_us_are_sane Apr 10 #43
Nothing says cool like waking up early on a Sunday mr715 Apr 10 #45
If they ever go back to Latin masses, I'll return Dave says Apr 10 #50
I know what you mean.......... some_of_us_are_sane Apr 10 #64
"Religion Poisons Everything"- Hitchens duckworth969 Apr 10 #59
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