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Tommy_Carcetti

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244. "Gun-grabbers." Sigh.

Wed Jan 2, 2013, 09:40 AM

Jan 2013

So, after a documented incident of a home invasion and a threat against you and your family, you decided to purchase a single pistol for defense of one's home, and which I can only assume you keep in a secure location in your home.

You do know that this "gun grabber" doesn't really have much of a problem with that? I don't.

You had an actual threat as compared to an imaginary one, you went through the necessary legal precautions, it's an appropriate weapon for the purpose of home defense (not an AR-15 with 30 round clips), and I can only guess you keep it in the home and are careful where you keep it and ensure that it is secured.

But it's so much easier for you to play the Strawman and call all people like me "gun grabbers."

Nice way to kill sympathy for your cause.

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Here is when I bought my first gun [View all] Bake Dec 2012 OP

None is coming to take your gun away nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #1

depends on what that civilian has to protect datasuspect Dec 2012 #3

If you need a gun that nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #4

some places in the US are like combat zones datasuspect Dec 2012 #5

So the civil war already started? nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #7

not saying that datasuspect Dec 2012 #14

So should ask the boss for the body armor under the tree nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #17

eh, you're just being a wiseass datasuspect Dec 2012 #20

I am being realistic nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #23

are you an Oath Keeper? riverbendviewgal Dec 2012 #59

no, i'm an epithet hurler datasuspect Dec 2012 #64

THis? riverbendviewgal Dec 2012 #68

bless your heart datasuspect Dec 2012 #70

I was thinking the exact same thing about you CatWoman Dec 2012 #194

Move to NYC - gun violence at all time low jpak Dec 2012 #29

y'all can have it datasuspect Dec 2012 #32

LOL, people from all countries and socio economic circumstances live within 30 minutes bettyellen Dec 2012 #53

it's yo thang datasuspect Dec 2012 #57

Your hood is showing. n/t ieoeja Dec 2012 #97

don't talk about my vagina datasuspect Dec 2012 #102

what does that mean? one_voice Jan 2013 #293

I hear a faint dog-whistle in that individual's posts. ieoeja Jan 2013 #312

i smell dogshit in your assessment datasuspect Jan 2013 #326

bull fucking shit.. frylock Dec 2012 #188

naif. datasuspect Jan 2013 #243

and your hyperbole is fucking bullshit.. frylock Jan 2013 #247

bless your heart datasuspect Jan 2013 #271

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #291

sounds like someone needs a nap and a bankie datasuspect Jan 2013 #325

Sounds like someone needs a reality check. Atman Jan 2013 #327

sounds like someone needs to look at who they are responding to datasuspect Jan 2013 #328

sounds like someone needs to fuck off frylock Jan 2013 #329

do you kiss your mother with that mouth? datasuspect Jan 2013 #330

Did you shoot your mother with that gun? Atman Jan 2013 #333

The words you used in your post make you sound as if you might be a paranoid loon. Atman Jan 2013 #334

it sounds like you and your sock puppet are confusing each other datasuspect Jan 2013 #336

Yes, data...after 10 years here and more the 25k posts, you nailed me... Atman Jan 2013 #338

or figure out what you're responding to datasuspect Jan 2013 #340

ALERT! ALERT! Atman Jan 2013 #342

did you get dropped on your head as a child? datasuspect Jan 2013 #343

the words you are using in your posts make you sound like a moron datasuspect Jan 2013 #337

Read Meta forum for some context... Atman Jan 2013 #339

And where in America would those places be... AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #226

So, we're NOT talking about the AR-15 then? AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #152

Since when is a semi-automatic Bushmaster XM-15 or Carbon 15 used in combat zones? S_B_Jackson Dec 2012 #221

They are nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #264

They are not. Straw Man Jan 2013 #266

They'll take whatever they can get nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #267

So not the "preferred weapon," then? Straw Man Jan 2013 #268

I guess i imagined the AR-15s nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #269

Please be specific. Straw Man Jan 2013 #295

Ok since you have a problem believing this nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #298

I have no problem believing any direct evidence. Straw Man Jan 2013 #301

Who said they were fully auto military versions? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #302

I said we can't tell. Straw Man Jan 2013 #306

Well, one argument from the NRA nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #307

I'm very disappointed ... Straw Man Jan 2013 #309

Your handle fits you well nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #310

I thought you were done already. Straw Man Jan 2013 #313

Yes nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #315

Thank you for the information. Straw Man Jan 2013 #318

Private market nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #320

Thank you for the links. Straw Man Jan 2013 #321

70% from straw purchases is not government stock nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #323

You should back off zappaman Jan 2013 #316

I'm not clairvoyant. How do I know if I am not told? Straw Man Jan 2013 #317

It's okay zappaman Jan 2013 #322

So WalMart is in the Black Market Weapons Trade now? Ghost in the Machine Jan 2013 #331

Is Walmart not running NICS background checks? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #332

Our own military doesn't even use full auto on their AR's anymore. Erose999 Jan 2013 #292

They use "burst-fire." Straw Man Jan 2013 #297

This message was self-deleted by its author Straw Man Jan 2013 #261

I have neither the desire nor the funds to buy a .223 assault rifle Bake Dec 2012 #15

Many here are just as fringe nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #21

Unlike gun nut, gun worshipper, small-penis, and the other terms Bake Dec 2012 #44

Once again nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #56

Well, Grayson is on here, right? Recursion Dec 2012 #228

You forgot "delicate flower" zappaman Dec 2012 #69

Most recently, here on DU, I was called a "gun nut cretin." Bake Dec 2012 #73

"gun nut cretin" zappaman Dec 2012 #78

I own guns and I have never been called that here AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #233

You've begged for the name calling to stop? Yet you continue to name call! DrewFlorida Dec 2012 #75

I don't disagree with ANY of your enumerated points Bake Dec 2012 #83

I never said I was offended, I simply asked for solutions rather than name calling. DrewFlorida Dec 2012 #118

We do often rationalize and predicate our own behavior by blaming others for the same thing LanternWaste Dec 2012 #125

Nice try, it most certainly is hypocrisy, in it's purest form. DrewFlorida Dec 2012 #145

Smear & vilification are SOPs by controllers in the Gungeon. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #241

+1000 nt Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #31

Neither is addressing them... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #39

Wait...You don't trust the police not to mess with you when law-abiding jmg257 Dec 2012 #54

I'm not a criminal. Bake Dec 2012 #60

Read it again...you would purposely become a criminal. jmg257 Dec 2012 #65

Castle doctrine nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #71

I understand Castle Doctrine pretty well. But what does that have to do with the OP jmg257 Dec 2012 #74

That's fantasy, the guns he has nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #80

Can anyone tell me what this reply is on about? zappaman Dec 2012 #82

I'm sorry, Nadin, I thought this was a discussion board. Bake Dec 2012 #87

Quite easy nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #88

then why do we have post after post here calling for gun bans? Bake Dec 2012 #171

None said you are not nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #176

Well - then I tend to think there is really no sense in coming up with (new) gun bans, if no one jmg257 Dec 2012 #90

Politics is the art of the possible nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #93

That would be nice... quakerboy Dec 2012 #157

I planted that seed nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #158

I dont think even then quakerboy Dec 2012 #162

Societies change nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #169

I suspect a lot will happen at the state level nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #258

See, people like jmg ... I don't trust. Bake Jan 2013 #253

Nobody is going to come get your pea shooter nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #256

I don't call a .357 magnum a "pea shooter" Bake Jan 2013 #270

It is lethal nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #272

Frankly, nadin, I couldn't agree more. Bake Jan 2013 #280

Hopefully it ends when 30,000 people every year stop dying jmg257 Jan 2013 #260

I'm neither fearful nor paranoid. Bake Jan 2013 #273

You are the one saying nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #275

And you just can't tell the truth. Bake Jan 2013 #278

I am telling you the truth nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #279

Yes, nadin, THEY ARE THE FRINGE. Not me. Bake Jan 2013 #281

The NRA is also fringe nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #282

I'm not now, nor have I ever been a member of the NRA. Bake Jan 2013 #284

You are repeating their talking points nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #286

SOME of the "talking points" may just be TRUE. Bake Jan 2013 #289

Which are true? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #290

You have YET to respond to my one simple assertion. Bake Jan 2013 #296

Ane you did not call the cops after that attempt nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #299

Nadin, nadin, nadin ... READ Bake Jan 2013 #303

No you can't win nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #304

Question for you: Are there Democratic talking points? Gun control talking points? Bake Jan 2013 #305

Have a good life Bake nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #308

Dude, how's the headache? zappaman Jan 2013 #311

You're conflating two issues. Bake Jan 2013 #283

You call 911 and stand guard nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #285

It's OK - really. A little Fear is a good thing. jmg257 Jan 2013 #288

Kentucky, by the way, is a castle-doctrine state. Bake Dec 2012 #77

So the term "law abiding gun owner" is completely lost on you? jmg257 Dec 2012 #81

Feel free to come get it Bake Dec 2012 #92

No thanks - you can keep it, if the cops find out, they can deal with you. jmg257 Dec 2012 #94

If the cops find out what? zappaman Dec 2012 #99

No - we are talking about the hypothetical "I will keep my illegal guns if they are banned" jmg257 Dec 2012 #103

You and your family seem to be a magnet of bad luck AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #63

I don't think our experience is all that unusual. Bake Dec 2012 #95

It's very unsual Floyd_Gondolli Dec 2012 #234

"Depend on the police? Not on my life. Hell, I don't even trust the police not to fuck with.... Walk away Dec 2012 #147

To be fair quakerboy Dec 2012 #159

People living in fear tabasco Dec 2012 #227

Contrary to what you may think, I don't live in fear. Bake Jan 2013 #252

Sounds like you and your family are magnets for trouble Floyd_Gondolli Dec 2012 #232

There are all kinds of posts Jenoch Dec 2012 #84

How many of these folks nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #86

The chances of a complete gun ban are exactly TWO: Bake Dec 2012 #89

And you did not succeed in that counterpoint. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #96

Actually, he did. zappaman Dec 2012 #101

Three points to your statements: reformed_military Dec 2012 #230

What you had in your hand already worked!!!! Bad example pal. rustydog Jan 2013 #265

"gun-grabbers". tosh Dec 2012 #2

Oh, break my fucking heart! Bake Dec 2012 #61

The use of the phrase "gun-grabbers" does away with any enough Dec 2012 #6

+1000 abelenkpe Dec 2012 #8

I'm simply responding to what I've seen in DU GD Bake Dec 2012 #16

And you are not paying attention to the names tossed around in DU Bake Dec 2012 #47

Use of the term 'gun nut' does the same. Jenoch Dec 2012 #91

Use of the phrases gun nuts and gun grabbers immediately shuts down discussion Marrah_G Dec 2012 #9

I didn't start the name-calling. Bake Dec 2012 #18

But you did start it in this thread Marrah_G Dec 2012 #25

+1000 darkangel218 Dec 2012 #45

+ 100,000,000 Berserker Dec 2012 #10

Here's what gun lovers should consider Major Nikon Dec 2012 #11

Frankly, I don't care if you're "convinced" or not. Bake Dec 2012 #24

Then why did you post your OP? Major Nikon Dec 2012 #43

Knight in shining armor? Are you serious???? Bake Dec 2012 #48

"Some people just cannot stop the name-calling." Major Nikon Dec 2012 #85

Go read any of Taverner's multiple OPs, Bake Dec 2012 #98

I read yours instead Major Nikon Dec 2012 #104

Nice try, but no cigar. Bake Dec 2012 #111

There's a subtle difference you missed Major Nikon Dec 2012 #130

"Pussies" was one. Bake Dec 2012 #136

I don't remember authoring that one Major Nikon Dec 2012 #143

Plenty of threads here saying exactly that. zappaman Dec 2012 #109

IF --as a gun advocate--you DON'T understand marions ghost Jan 2013 #259

Sure I understand it. Bake Jan 2013 #274

Just don't tell me I can't protect my family. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #189

What is so fucking special about a shotgun? MicaelS Dec 2012 #105

The rounds from a shotgun don't tend to go through walls and find toddlers Major Nikon Dec 2012 #122

Bullshit. MicaelS Dec 2012 #127

I call bullshit on your bullshit Major Nikon Dec 2012 #141

stunning how many experts we have that don't seem to know fuckall.. frylock Dec 2012 #206

Who said anything about buckshot? Major Nikon Dec 2012 #208

Hornady Critical Defense rounds are designed not to go through walls. Bake Dec 2012 #219

No-one is talking about banning all firearms. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #12

Well put jberryhill Dec 2012 #22

No one, my ass! Bake Dec 2012 #26

No-one sensible anyway Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #33

The pistols you mentioned and others that Jenoch Dec 2012 #100

Here's a thought abelenkpe Dec 2012 #13

Yes, DUers are talking about taking people's guns. Bake Dec 2012 #28

Ok, how many of these DU'ers nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #35

+1000 darkangel218 Dec 2012 #50

Once again nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #174

gun grabbers??? you didn't buy a machine gun, did you? spanone Dec 2012 #19

Nope. Bought a Smith & Wesson .357 magnum revolver. Bake Dec 2012 #217

Gee thanks metalbot Jan 2013 #248

Wow - what a full story - all the NRA talking points covered jpak Dec 2012 #27

Louisville's Finest weren't too worried about fingerprints Bake Dec 2012 #37

Dude, with each post laundry_queen Dec 2012 #42

That's pretty much it. laundry_queen Dec 2012 #41

I sat up that night with a steel microphone stand!! Bake Dec 2012 #58

Goody for you. See, you didn't need a gun. laundry_queen Dec 2012 #66

What do you do when the perp breaks into your house while DrewFlorida Dec 2012 #108

You might have been able to identify the perp if you had outside surveillance cameras.. Tikki Dec 2012 #30

They might have been a lot of help to identify the perpetrator after the fact Bake Dec 2012 #40

But he didn't get in your home and he may still be out there harassing others or he could be... Tikki Dec 2012 #55

Had it been my wife instead of ME pushing on the door, he'd have been IN. Bake Dec 2012 #120

You said you didn't have a gun yet.... Tikki Dec 2012 #185

Maybe they'll do that now, but they enjoyed a false sense of security ecstatic Jan 2013 #246

I'm shocked I tell you! sasha031 Dec 2012 #34

putting people in the ignore list sasha031 Dec 2012 #52

Until the anti gun nuts experience this sort of thing they will not understand or sypathize. L0oniX Dec 2012 #36

You know, if this was not so laughable nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #38

..and when it is your kid or wife who gets shot by a criminal and ends up there? L0oniX Dec 2012 #46

Pick a lane nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #49

Until violent crime is 0 and holding... appal_jack Dec 2012 #153

It has fr ten years nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #156

Repeal of the 2nd Amendment isn't necessary Major Nikon Dec 2012 #190

i have experienced this type of stuff JI7 Dec 2012 #163

As have I obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #166

did you feel the need to go out and buy a gun ? JI7 Dec 2012 #170

Yes, I did obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #173

This is the same demagoguery that the NRA preaches Major Nikon Dec 2012 #187

Maybe you also consider the 2nd amendment to be an NRA talking point as well. L0oniX Dec 2012 #199

The way they interpret it I do Major Nikon Dec 2012 #205

I'm sorry you were terrorized like that. geomon666 Dec 2012 #51

Many of us have been "terorized" and hurt, not just the OP. darkangel218 Dec 2012 #62

And none wants to take your gun away nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #67

Actually, plenty do. zappaman Dec 2012 #72

!! 97% dionysus Jan 2013 #263

Nadin, stop saying "no one wants to take your gun away." Bake Dec 2012 #107

"Tell the truth." zappaman Dec 2012 #114

I love how your response to the first one was hidden by a jury Bake Dec 2012 #124

The truth is that the people who want nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #115

put that in an OP Bake Dec 2012 #180

Not gonna happen. zappaman Dec 2012 #182

I have told this to others as well nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #183

Then be the voice of reason. Put it in an OP. Bake Dec 2012 #195

I have nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #196

Not true zappaman Dec 2012 #197

DUers? janx Dec 2012 #116

Funny, I thought DU was a DISCUSSION forum. Bake Dec 2012 #126

how many posters are calling for an outright ban on guns? frylock Dec 2012 #200

How about a tactical semi-auto shotgun? MicaelS Dec 2012 #110

I love this NRA tactic. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #113

And your response isn't addressing the OP at all zappaman Dec 2012 #117

Got it, because it's semi-automatic it's evil. MicaelS Dec 2012 #121

Did I say that? Nope nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #123

No one wants to take our guns away... better Jan 2013 #249

Brass to tacks nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #250

When I was 7 months pregnant I was held up at gunpoint cali Dec 2012 #76

yeah, so? zappaman Dec 2012 #79

so the op made it sound like getting a gun was the only choice. cali Dec 2012 #112

I didn't read that into the OP at all. zappaman Dec 2012 #119

I was a branch manager at an S&L that was robbed at gunpoint. Bake Dec 2012 #131

In all of this discussion you have not offered one single solution to the gun problem! DrewFlorida Dec 2012 #144

+1 nt laundry_queen Dec 2012 #149

i have stated repeatedly that i would support several reasonable measures Bake Dec 2012 #186

Thank you, I would like to see people stay focussed on solutions. DrewFlorida Dec 2012 #198

everything you have posted is completely reasonable.. frylock Dec 2012 #203

I **have** offered reasonable solutions, repeatedly. Bake Dec 2012 #222

You have the worst luck. Bad shit just follows you around. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #207

And here's more bad luck Floyd_Gondolli Dec 2012 #237

What the hell ever happened to alarm systems or a really big dog? Chorophyll Dec 2012 #106

That's your choice. Bake Dec 2012 #135

I'll tell you the truth: I live in an urban area. I have a lock on my door. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #139

Yep. laundry_queen Dec 2012 #148

Stuff like that happens all. The. Time. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #178

'Gun grabbers' is a fallacy, time to stop the madness. Rex Dec 2012 #128

See post #109 for a couple of examples zappaman Dec 2012 #133

Yes his pistol was one of my central points. Rex Dec 2012 #134

For home use against break-ins and robbery .... perhaps a Photo and a Sign and a night Light libdem4life Dec 2012 #129

I hope more was done than just purchasing a gun, benld74 Dec 2012 #132

Best is taking lessons imo. Rex Dec 2012 #138

I agree. Taking lessons is a must IMO zappaman Dec 2012 #140

Or work in law enforcement Rex Dec 2012 #146

I have lived all over the world and I have never once had an incident like that. Walk away Dec 2012 #137

Since it's never happened to you or anyone you know Bake Dec 2012 #216

I didn't say that I didn't believe you. I clearly said that if that had happened to me... Walk away Dec 2012 #223

people who say that are the people who have never done that. LanternWaste Dec 2012 #142

Sigh. Adding one more poster to my "ignore" list.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #150

I had a similar experience Jim Warren Dec 2012 #151

Excellent post...refuse to be a victim. ileus Dec 2012 #154

So, have you bought Turbineguy Dec 2012 #155

No one is talking about taking all guns nakocal Dec 2012 #160

You make good points Jim Warren Dec 2012 #165

Yes, they are obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #168

Point to me one DU'er nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #172

GOOOOAAAAALLLLpost moving there obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #175

That is the poster's specialty. zappaman Dec 2012 #179

Nope, I asked the OP the same exact thing nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #181

You are allowed to protect yourself from home invasion obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #161

I have Sherman A1 Dec 2012 #164

If I or my neighbors had that happen I would get a gun lunatica Dec 2012 #167

I'm sorry you were frightened Warpy Dec 2012 #177

You'd only sleep like a baby if you were a sociopath DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #184

The psychological effects on me are far fewer Indydem Dec 2012 #191

Spoken like somebody who's never nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #192

Spoken like somebody who's been in many shootouts. zappaman Dec 2012 #193

wth is this post meant to mean. the poster made a very honest and truthful post loli phabay Dec 2012 #214

Good for you. In_The_Wind Dec 2012 #201

If you object to having your perspective discounted DO NOT use prejudicial language, "gun grabbers" patrice Dec 2012 #202

Shotguns are better for home defense. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #204

Can you read? Bake Dec 2012 #215

Do you have more guns and do you carry in public? Hoyt Dec 2012 #209

Would you mind telling me where your screen name comes from? nolabear Dec 2012 #210

My screen name is my nickname, what my friends call me. Bake Dec 2012 #218

Thanks. And though I'm not awful fond of cops I've got a family full nolabear Dec 2012 #238

I can't speak for all the "GUN GRABBERS!!!" rustydog Dec 2012 #211

If you read on he has a 15 shot 9mm too. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #212

Nice overstatement there, Warren. Bake Dec 2012 #220

I'm all for getting a gun in those circumstances, but why a pistol? D23MIURG23 Dec 2012 #213

Sorry to express some skepticism, but you've had 3 home invasion attempts coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #224

Wouldn't you move? Who stays in a house after 3 attempted home invasions? Walk away Dec 2012 #225

As this thread amply illustrates (w/ reference to your last sentence). The psychology coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #229

But even allowing that science is ignore by "rational" folks everyday..... Walk away Dec 2012 #242

We did move not too long after the first one Bake Jan 2013 #254

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Dec 2012 #231

Are you a psychic? LP2K12 Dec 2012 #240

I note that in all the incidents you cite that you did not use a gun, even to brandish it. maxsolomon Dec 2012 #235

How amazing you were able to survive such a horrendous attack tabasco Dec 2012 #236

Yeah, we were "lucky" that time. Bake Jan 2013 #255

"You gun-grabbers need to consider that" AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #239

"Gun-grabbers." Sigh. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #244

When someone or an ex threatens you ecstatic Jan 2013 #245

AMEN!!!!! AzSweet Jan 2013 #251

I am not for taking away guns dhpgetsit Jan 2013 #257

IF, I repeat....IF marions ghost Jan 2013 #262

Wow. What are the odds? LWolf Jan 2013 #276

Too late. I already reached into a portal Norrin Radd Jan 2013 #277

Birds of a feather flash47 Jan 2013 #287

From now on you should put three bullets through every door before entering Orrex Jan 2013 #294

I'm glad that you'll sleep like a baby afterward. Sheldon Cooper Jan 2013 #300

And when whoever that is figures out how to get your gun and kill you with it, then do whatever it lonestarnot Jan 2013 #314

Holy crap, is that English? Bake Jan 2013 #341

What we've got here... Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #319

Sounds you'd love to shoot somebody mokawanis Jan 2013 #324

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