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hamsterjill

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166. Yes. I'm putting the responsibility on ANY woman of adult age not to allow herself to get so intoxicated

Mon Apr 13, 2026, 11:36 AM

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That she is unable to function. I would expect the exact same responsibility from any man. I mean, good grief. What in the hell is wrong with expecting an adult to be an adult? Regardless of gender?

Now, do you want to argue that point?

I watched the interview with the victim and it appears from her statement that she MAY have been given something. She doesn't come out and say it, but she doesn't have memory. If she was given a date rape drug (which I've mentioned in other posts) then that is an entirely different situation.

Now bring it. Yes, I expect responsibility.

Yes, I think it was absolutely foolish for THIS particular victim to "ask him for a drink" the second time around. She should have kept her distance and the fact that she wanted to see him again gives me pause. Did she deserve to be raped? No. Was it a bad decision to meet Swalwell alone? Hell yes.

If he was as well known a sexual predator as he obviously was (according to reports coming out now), then all the more reason NOT to put yourself in a situation where you are alone with him in one bar...and then go to a second one with him. Would you do that?

So before you jump my ass - NO, that doesn't me it was okay for him to attack her, but it was a bad decision on her part (after having been attacked one time) to put herself in a situation where the possibility existed for it to happen again.

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I may get banned for this, but [View all] grumpyduck Apr 11 OP

I'm not saying he is innocent, but I do believe the timing stinks of rat fuckery. SheltieLover Apr 11 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Apr 11 #3

I was with you until I saw 'FOUR WOMEN' RandomNumbers Apr 11 #7

Has anyone credible asked them why they waited until now? SheltieLover Apr 11 #9

Victims in cases like these will often come forward when they see that someone they know as a predator or pest is about WhiskeyGrinder Apr 11 #24

Scattered throughout the CNN article, which is long RandomNumbers Apr 11 #27

That is, indeed, a commonality among sexual assault survivors, but I'm still reserving judgment. SheltieLover Apr 11 #28

Good point and I mostly agree with you. Time should tell. RandomNumbers Apr 11 #35

And, at least, the alleged victims were not children! SheltieLover Apr 11 #67

I agree with you. I think everyone involved .. Women, men, witnesses should take a polygraph. Trueblue1968 Apr 11 #92

Because Swallwell has been outspoken about kraznov. SheltieLover Apr 11 #93

I have been thinking of polygraphs as a complainant myself jfz9580m Apr 11 #131

Because polygraph tests aren't reliable? EdmondDantes_ Sunday #152

This is true MustLoveBeagles Monday #161

an ABSOLUTELY common dynamic in sexual assault .. - - - - - - - - - - -(nt)- stopdiggin Apr 11 #32

Maybe he's skilled at gaslighting wolfie001 Apr 11 #70

"why did you wait ?" is an age old question that has an unfortunate history of being weaponized .... stopdiggin Apr 11 #31

Here are some resources on why many victims don't come forward EdmondDantes_ Apr 11 #34

Fun fact: It was George Conway (the former Mr. Kellyanne Conway) who told E. Jean Carroll to file a suit against T💩p. OMGWTF Apr 11 #40

I didn't know that. EdmondDantes_ Apr 11 #41

Politico says they've seen a written confidentiality and non-disparagement agreement muriel_volestrangler Apr 11 #50

If it was pukes, not fooled Apr 11 #65

You must be male..... Biglinda 52 Apr 11 #78

I am not male & am a strong feminist with a strong bs sniffer & this stinks! SheltieLover Apr 11 #79

My beloved lover of Shelties... mr715 Apr 11 #90

Most of the bottom tier Dems in the race should've pulled out, imo &, in fact that they didn't makes me wonder how many SheltieLover Apr 11 #94

Because he can read social media? EdmondDantes_ Sunday #141

Exactly, and right through the whole "Me Too!" movement. pandr32 Apr 11 #113

But four women all now? hamsterjill Apr 11 #22

I don't know either, Jill, but phone numbers can be spoofed and we know ruskies are great at hacking... SheltieLover Apr 11 #26

Agreed, Sheltie. hamsterjill Apr 11 #97

I'm on the fence too RandomNumbers Apr 11 #30

The unfortunate thing is that he'll already be cancelled. hamsterjill Apr 11 #98

I have no idea soldierant Apr 11 #128

Please don't. hamsterjill Apr 11 #132

Not underage perhaps, but unable to consent, and on the lower end of the power dynamic RandomNumbers Sunday #139

I acknowledge your opinion. hamsterjill Sunday #144

. WhiskeyGrinder Sunday #145

So every man accused should just quit politics automatically? hamsterjill Sunday #147

Taking a bad-faith reading of my posts might make you feel better, but it doesn't change the fact that people HAVE been WhiskeyGrinder Sunday #148

I've never heard anything about Swalwell before that was concerning. hamsterjill Sunday #149

You haven't heard anything about Swalwell that's concerning by design. Sex pests know how to control their environment, WhiskeyGrinder Sunday #150

I agree. MorbidButterflyTat Sunday #154

Thank you. hamsterjill Sunday #155

Agree. MorbidButterflyTat Sunday #156

Are you really blaming a woman for being too drunk to consent? EdmondDantes_ Monday #163

Yes. I'm putting the responsibility on ANY woman of adult age not to allow herself to get so intoxicated hamsterjill Monday #166

I encourage you to do some reading on the dynamics of sexual coercion and violence, especially when it comes to WhiskeyGrinder Monday #167

I encourage you to put me on ignore. hamsterjill Monday #168

"I expect adults to act like adults." What does this mean? WhiskeyGrinder Monday #171

Have yourself a wonderful afternoon. hamsterjill Monday #172

you have a good one too WhiskeyGrinder Monday #174

That's an absurd take EdmondDantes_ Monday #169

So, if a woman goes to a bar, gets totally wasted, gets into a car and drives and kills someone hamsterjill Monday #170

That bothers me to MustLoveBeagles Monday #162

I'm perfectly comfortable waiting for facts,. But it would never occur to me soldierant Monday #157

Then you be you. hamsterjill Monday #159

California's jungle primary is weird. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 11 #45

You get it FHRRK1 Apr 11 #118

D versus R we win. D versus D we win. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 11 #121

I remember several women coming forward after Tara Reade. pandr32 Apr 11 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author usedtobedemgurl Apr 11 #103

Where are the women who accused Kavanaugh? EdmondDantes_ Monday #160

Dangle $1 million each SonOfNebanaube Apr 11 #102

I was skeptical about one accuser, as she had a continuing relationship, but with four accusers? Nah, bye Eric Pompoy Sunday #136

I saw the four women thing too. Linda ladeewolf Sunday #143

Why? Having Swalwell drop out now helps Democrats. yardwork Apr 11 #11

That's the problem with CA's jungle primary DemocratSinceBirth Apr 11 #49

Someone will. That's a certainty. paleotn Apr 11 #61

Swalwell is finished. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 11 #68

Yes, he is finished. But that's not the end of the world. paleotn Apr 11 #71

Four accusers whose accounts have been corroborated DemocratSinceBirth Apr 11 #75

Putting on a Pedestal Is One Thing WizumbODaSage Apr 11 #88

So Do I WiVoter Apr 11 #15

It was self sabotage Fiendish Thingy Apr 11 #2

Sometimes Democrats need math lessons OR, they need to think of the party before themselves. LeftInTX Apr 11 #123

Reason No. I-Lost-Count why victims don't speak out: They're seen as saboteurs. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 11 #4

These threads.... smh. yardwork Apr 11 #12

It's sad that we're still doing this EdmondDantes_ Apr 11 #13

He can still run. As a Republican n/t leftstreet Apr 11 #5

If he could up his numbers to double digits he could be a GOP presidential nominee in 2028. Vinca Apr 11 #16

Post removed Post removed Apr 11 #6

Speaking of banning... EYESORE 9001 Apr 11 #19

Darn!!! Did I just miss a visit from our resident troll??? niyad Apr 11 #37

How INTERESTING......... some_of_us_are_sane Apr 11 #20

Hmmmmm, one of our resident trolls, perhaps? And I missed them! niyad Apr 11 #39

Yes, the library must be closed today. Spazito Apr 11 #44

LOL!! some_of_us_are_sane Apr 11 #74

Probably niyad some_of_us_are_sane Apr 11 #69

Definitely not her first post BumRushDaShow Apr 11 #60

That doesn't really make sense, though. yardwork Apr 11 #8

This +1 Emile Apr 11 #14

https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/primary-elections-california mikewv Apr 11 #21

Yep Lifeafter70 Apr 11 #110

Yes, this is a good point. True Dough Apr 11 #23

Ah but this is why it is such a cunning plot. Disaffected Apr 11 #36

And.....? yardwork Apr 11 #53

How many of those Dems have been as vocal as Swalwell against Piggy? MorbidButterflyTat Apr 11 #51

It's not a democratic primary, it's a " jungle " primary questionseverything Apr 11 #55

so all these former Democratic staffers - have reemerged as Republican operatives .. ? stopdiggin Apr 11 #10

You are 100% correct ABC123Easy Apr 11 #17

It's a lot better for these accusations to have come out now, LisaL Apr 11 #18

I am a Katie Porter fan myself! BlueMTexpat Apr 11 #25

It wouldn't surprise me if it came from a Democrat. Renew Deal Apr 11 #29

I have to agree, so much infighting. 😔 nt Raine Apr 11 #129

Roger Stone did it to Al Franken. The Wizard Apr 11 #33

Took 3 weeks and 6 additional women accusing Franken before the calls to resign EdmondDantes_ Apr 11 #38

in Franken's case, Stone definitely got the ball rolling but yes, Franken chose to resign. He wasn't forced out. LymphocyteLover Apr 11 #43

I don't think so. Think of it as a blessing this came out now and not further down the road. LymphocyteLover Apr 11 #42

Agree mikewv Apr 11 #47

I sure hope so! LymphocyteLover Apr 11 #122

Absolutely. MorbidButterflyTat Apr 11 #46

Tee yourself up and guess what happens? FiveFifteen Apr 11 #48

Sigh. So, we're still not believing the women. Political party doesn't matter, it's all about not believing the women. mucholderthandirt Apr 11 #52

So we should hang a man before we have any evidence? Autumn Apr 11 #108

100% this obamanut2012 Apr 11 #54

Why are these allegations only surfacing now? dlk Apr 11 #56

Did you doubt E Jean Carroll or Christine Blasey Ford? EdmondDantes_ Apr 11 #64

Apparently you missed the line in my post, "Women should be believed" dlk Apr 11 #111

One of the incidents was in 2024. And it often happens that after some woman finally comes forward, pnwmom Sunday #138

Has Eric responded? GreenWave Apr 11 #57

He did apologize to his wife for "past errors" whatever that means. Otherwise it was a denial. 33taw Apr 11 #73

It means he had lots of extramarital sex. mr715 Sunday #133

Simply stating what he said. I don't have enough info to have an opinion. 33taw Sunday #134

Conspiracy theories always going to happen. Jacson6 Apr 11 #58

Better chance? How about just slightly above zero chance. paleotn Apr 11 #59

See if there is some outfit that is bankrolling them. valleyrogue Apr 11 #62

This perspective is bullshit. hunter Apr 11 #63

And these are very serious allegations jfz9580m Apr 11 #120

I agree. Remember Joe Biden. Let's get to the truth. Joinfortmill Apr 11 #66

It's the double standard Ibapah Apr 11 #72

Where is Roger stone in this? UpInArms Apr 11 #76

I thought you were going to say how our supposed ally, Israel, is really screwing the USA over and over. My mistake. nt Exp Apr 11 #77

We should know our candidates better. When they tell you who they are the first time believe them. Walleye Apr 11 #80

"repugs are playing chess while the Democrats are playing checkers." J_William_Ryan Apr 11 #81

I read the San Francisco Chronicle article this morning. cksmithy Apr 11 #82

He deserves the same hearing as the Dem refused Franken RVN VET71 Apr 11 #83

Actually that is not likely to be true karynnj Apr 11 #84

Didn't 16 or 17 women accuse TrumpenFuhrer of the same thing and REPUBLICANS DIDNT CARE??? NoMoreRepugs Apr 11 #86

I think the number was higher than that MustLoveBeagles Sunday #135

Yes, if Swalwell is responsible for sexual assault, he needs be held to account Grim Chieftain Apr 11 #87

They did this to Al Franklin too (nt) Pluvious Apr 11 #89

If he didn't do anything wrong IMO he should stay in the gov race and immediately file a lawsuit in2herbs Apr 11 #91

No mater what, the timing is sus SpankMe Apr 11 #95

it doesn't "prove that men are scum" Skittles Apr 11 #100

Of course you're right SpankMe Monday #173

I do understand the frustration Skittles Monday #175

Maybe a good time for this RoseTrellis Apr 11 #96

I don't think so... WarGamer Apr 11 #99

Why isn't abuse believed pattyloutwo Apr 11 #101

Exactly, this is a hit job. Initech Apr 11 #104

The reactions here spotlight the hypocrisy of the republicans liberal N proud Apr 11 #105

No matter what he is guilty of making bad decisions!!! Pisces Apr 11 #106

I'm a California voter... GJGCA Apr 11 #107

I love the quote, ""Love is not love / Which alters when it alteration finds / Or bends with the remover to remove." Martin68 Apr 11 #109

Epanalepsis, on the other hand... GJGCA Apr 11 #112

Love the Virginia Wolf quote. Martin68 Sunday #142

She threw Biden under the bus too TexasBushwhacker Sunday #151

they are at war, we are playing by the rules. pansypoo53219 Apr 11 #114

They have abandoned the rules especially the rule of law. live love laugh Apr 11 #117

full scale cheating for sure. pansypoo53219 Apr 11 #130

Swalwell"s Staff Has Thrown Him Under the Bus Locutusofborg Apr 11 #115

Who always benefits from these things? That's where the focus should also be. live love laugh Apr 11 #116

This news about Swalwell sucks.... but IcyPeas Apr 11 #119

Face the facts.. raising2moredems Apr 11 #124

I think the difference is that the republicans support the nastiest, hidden elements of the government. They are the LT Barclay Apr 11 #125

I hear roger stone was in on this Clouds Passing Apr 11 #126

Until there is proof of misconduct he should not step down. If kacekwl Apr 11 #127

So Katie Porter isn't electable because she used a swear word, but we're supposed pnwmom Sunday #137

I don't know. There's a lot of Democrats running which is being reported splits the vote and allowing the 2 Rs to Jbraybarten Sunday #140

This is just pure nonsense. The only ones who want Swalwell to stay in the race at this point are Republicans. tritsofme Sunday #146

Two things... grumpyduck Sunday #153

What is so hard to believe about a federal level politician misanthrope Monday #158

A very strong grip on a singlular narrative Torchlight Monday #164

NOPE Happy Hoosier Monday #165