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In reply to the discussion: Can you guess what all this talk, talk, talk about gun control is doing? [View all]AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)68. The reason why that doesn't support the statement is because the
headline found with the link is not supported by the text found with the link.
The headline and first line provides:
"former Chief Justice Burger - individual right to bear arms was one of the greatest pieces of"
"fraudI repeat the word fraudon the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime.
"fraudI repeat the word fraudon the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime.
That's followed by two words which show that the posted expressly admitted knowing that the subsequently posted quote did not originate from Burger:
"not Burger-"
Then, following the words "not Burger," there is a quote:
"Until that time (Heller), legal precedent and conventional wisdom held that the Second Amendment protected only a states right to maintain a militia, and not an individuals right to bear arms independent of the states need for a militia. (The amendment provides, somewhat awkwardly and ambiguously, that a well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.) In 1991, former Chief Justice Warren Burger, a conservative Republican, said that the idea that the Second Amendment protected an individual right to bear arms was one of the greatest pieces of fraudI repeat the word fraudon the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime. Yet just seventeen years later, in Heller, five justices proclaimed that the Framers had intended to protect an individual right to bear arms."
Within the larger quote is a shorter one. One that is attributed to Burger, but without a link or other reference where Burger suposedly said the statement attributed to him:
one of the greatest pieces of fraudI repeat the word fraudon the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime.
And you are going to accept the headline without any critical thinking? And post "Then allow me to help you."?
Somehow, I don't think that the posting of a link to quote attributed to Burger in a headline, but not supported an actual reference where Burger supposedly made a statement, is going to help anyone at all. Come back, if you ever find any actual evidence to show that the Supreme Court ever had the view that the 2nd Amendment was a collective right. Don't you think that if the Supreme Court had ever held that the 2nd Amendment was a collective right, the advocates for the collective-right position would have been able to find that by now? Wouldn't they have been able to find that by now? Don't rely upon people who just make things up. Be more sensible than that.
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Can you guess what all this talk, talk, talk about gun control is doing? [View all]
99th_Monkey
Dec 2012
OP
Yep, who are we to deny these yahoos a chance to own an (or another) assault weapon?
Hoyt
Dec 2012
#2
Ah, Hoyt. You keep the vacuum tubes of prohibition glowing orange, long into the night
Eleanors38
Dec 2012
#8
Happy New Year to all those so steeped in guns their user name is a reference to lethal weapons.
Hoyt
Dec 2012
#10
Well, blame it on Eleanor. Hear-tell Franklin only had a .32 by his side of the bed.
Eleanors38
Dec 2012
#21
Near as I can tell, the gun nuts envision a world where we all look like this
99th_Monkey
Dec 2012
#4
Yep, here are some fine folks from the Michigan Militia, confederate flags and all.
Hoyt
Dec 2012
#11
I agree. The deeper you get into the gun culture, the more disgusting this whole thing becomes.
Hoyt
Dec 2012
#16
Except I think they figure their guns will put them in control, and they can take whatever
Hoyt
Dec 2012
#33
I was looking to buy a particular rifle for $1600 4 weeks ago and waffled...
OneTenthofOnePercent
Dec 2012
#7
LBJ's programs make the present Democratic Party look center-right. And all I got was this stinking
Eleanors38
Dec 2012
#22
And that's why you have to not only ban new arms, but ban possession. Let the suckers
jmg257
Dec 2012
#31
I didn't see it that way. Figuring they realize they could eventually face those guns they ignore.
jmg257
Jan 2013
#57
Not "all" - which of course is THE problem, hard to know who will be and who won't be...
jmg257
Jan 2013
#69
In the long run? yep. Don't think resistance would be that steadfast if a few examples were made.
jmg257
Jan 2013
#106
See #50 et. al. The risks must not be high enough, the public interest not serious enough. nt
jmg257
Jan 2013
#109
I don't disagree with any amendments. Just figure their 'restrictions, no matter
jmg257
Jan 2013
#47
There are quite a few links to that quote, all of which refer to an interview on PBS.
jmg257
Jan 2013
#72
None of that changes the fact that the "SCOTUS" NEVER "felt it was a collective right."
AnotherMcIntosh
Jan 2013
#77
Though apparently - he did. Apparently there are transcripts (and DVDs) of him doing so.
jmg257
Jan 2013
#89
more and more people to engage in a collective discussion which impacts our nation and our culture
LanternWaste
Jan 2013
#71
The Newtown massacre was the best ad campaign for AR-15s since, well, ever.
Electric Monk
Jan 2013
#115