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Emrys

(9,168 posts)
37. Writing off Trump is one thing.
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 06:11 PM
Saturday

Hopefully this will once and for all put the kibosh on the idea that Ukraine has to gift Putin with territory he's failed to "win" through war. The only enthusiastic proponents of that scheme were Trump and his cronies and a few half-assed nominal Ukraine supporters or blatant fellow travellers of Russia. Putin would no doubt have been glad of the gift, but there's no reason to imagine it would have led to a sustained end to hostilities, quite the reverse.

But as for writing off the United States, I think that's throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Despite the spiteful rhetoric and actions from Trump, and especially Vance, along with others among Trump's cabal, we know that American public opinion has consistently favoured supporting Ukraine by substantial margins. The next Congress is likely to be far less slavishly loyal to Trump, and ways could be found to offer concrete support and fewer favours to Putin, and maybe start undoing some of the harm Trump's tried to do in the last couple of years.

Meanwhile, it will be no bad thing if the rest of NATO and Ukraine's allies work to be far less dependent on the US's agenda and firepower.

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We'll be like the Germans after World War II was over FakeNoose Saturday #24
I will thankfully be dead! BidenRocks Saturday #32
Why cant the EVIL ONE be dead. I pray his days will be numbered. Trueblue1968 Saturday #36
when I travel out of the US I have t-shirts and jacket with a big red maple leaves on them. Sad thing for a vet ... marble falls Saturday #34
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Big difference: Hitler aspired to be the greatest superpower and missed Norbert 20 hrs ago #46
In Germany's case, that was in large part Wednesdays 16 hrs ago #47
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Panicked Russia floating that they may attack European drone plants Prairie Gates Saturday #4
There's no money to be made in Ukraine...that's all trmp's interested in. spanone Saturday #5
Exactly vapor2 Saturday #28
Now that Orban is gone, Ukraine doesn't have to pretend anymore Fiendish Thingy Saturday #6
And Trump just extended the extended the sactions relief on Russian oil True Dough Saturday #7
I love that term "Putins Puppet". multigraincracker Saturday #12
That disgusting orange psychopath will alienate every good ally we've ever had. Diamond_Dog Saturday #8
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As 99 percent of the free world has done. nt yaesu Saturday #10
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If oil becomes a real "problem" (not far from now atm) Justice matters. 23 hrs ago #44
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Effing trump for SO Many reasons... electric_blue68 Saturday #27
Simply heartbreaking . nt Javaman Saturday #29
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And that was the plan all along. To sow distrust in the United States. Initech Saturday #31
Message auto-removed Name removed Saturday #33
Join the club. CaptainTruth Saturday #35
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What is they say? blue-wave Saturday #38
The power structures around the world are shifting. Aussie105 Saturday #39
Trump is a loser that keeps America losing Johonny Saturday #41
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