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Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
39. Why? Because it bugs you? What difference does that make?
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:51 AM
Jan 2013

To me, a politician in our system is a public servant who has offered him or herself up for exploitation as part of the political debate. That is they are fodder, they are fuel, they are not so much people as they are memes to use.
It is worthwhile to piss off the 'don't criticize him, we looooove him' crowd because they could mature into activists more useful to the people and to the President. To play the always faithful ardent supporter is very important, but also a very limited role. Not all of the electorate can indulge in pin-up politics, although I do think it is good that some do fit that full tilt supporter role, that way they give those with actual political goals something to use as a backboard.
Let's try to make this clear: On DADT repeal, one of the reasons we got the repeal done had to do with Obama first defending DADT in court, offering himself as the proxy for the actual opposition. By loudly opposing his actions, people gave him the context, the set and the setting in which he could turn to full support of repeal. Same routine is going down on marriage equality. He plays his part very well and allows the people to use him without his ego becoming all bruised. That's why I like him, also why I am usually seen contesting some bit of his policy which he later 'evolves' to an new position. To make big change in the face of the Republicans, dear JoePhilly, requires a political leader with a strong self knowledge and a very long fuse on his or her temper, also needed are activists who will oppose that leader during the 'debate and evolve' phase AND constant defenders of that leader who serve as proxies to the activist's arguments.
The folks who spent months lecturing gay folks that the President 'could not come out for equality until AT LEAST his second term' were really, really wrong. They said 'you want a pony, but I am a PRAGMATIST so I know he can not, in reality, do what you want no matter how many DUers demand that he do so'......
So yeah. Takes all kinds. Takes the fans, the critics, the leader and the opposition to make change.
I offer this: I came into Obama's term wanting DADT repealed. Got it done. Also wanted him to support marriage equality. Which he has. During the entire process, I was a 'critic' of Obama's and others were his 'supporters' who oddly supported by saying 'he can't' when in fact, I knew that he could. And he did. Because we gave him the set and setting to take action. The ardent 'he can't' supporters played their role as well. It's just not the role they think it is.

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It's not over... kentuck Jan 2013 #1
But did we cut Social Security? WonderGrunion Jan 2013 #2
If the Fiscal Cliff Crisis ended with today's vote, you'd be right. MessiahRp Jan 2013 #3
I see lots of folks posting that they see from 'so many' stuff like 'absolutely double dog' and that Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #6
So when you say 'I heard from many' you really mean 'I am making up shit I never saw and can Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #7
You are kidding. Do you not read DU? Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #15
OP can offer up any single quote that says the shit he claims he sees from 'many'. Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #38
Yes, exactly. No deal has been made, it's only... JackRiddler Jan 2013 #27
Chained CPI customerserviceguy Jan 2013 #4
No. demwing Jan 2013 #5
The fiscal cliff was originally pushed for by Obama as a way of implementing SS reform Leopolds Ghost Jan 2013 #8
Yep. The MIC developed a PERT Network for cutting plethoro Jan 2013 #24
PERT network? Sounds intriguing Leopolds Ghost Jan 2013 #42
The prediction that Obama will cut Social Security will pop back up JoePhilly Jan 2013 #9
Never occurred to Joe that the outrage from the actual Left had some effect. Never will. nt Bonobo Jan 2013 #11
"Obama is going to cave and cut Social Security!!!!!" JoePhilly Jan 2013 #12
Well cheerleading like a schmuck sure doesn't help. nt Bonobo Jan 2013 #17
If you go back over my posts on this topic, you'll find my predicted outcome is JoePhilly Jan 2013 #31
Good post brush Jan 2013 #20
That is exactly what it was. It was the Democrats that understood the threat and who plethoro Jan 2013 #25
The GOP is going to attack again, no matter what happened, its what they do. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #32
White House to libruls. "Fuck Them" (NYT article, 1/2/13) jerseyjack Jan 2013 #10
Or even give the link. How kind of you to save us the time. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #16
Did the debt ceiling get raised? vi5 Jan 2013 #13
That comes in two months...... bowens43 Jan 2013 #14
Never is a very long time MNBrewer Jan 2013 #18
Actually, by letting the payroll tax holiday expire we have strengthened it. Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #19
Yes CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #21
So do you mean I can stop calling and writing the WH and my reps about it now? forestpath Jan 2013 #22
well, this is the defense of and for his expressed willingness to cut it from stupidicus Jan 2013 #28
Yep. Especially because, when Obama does put it back on the table, they will forestpath Jan 2013 #35
No, folks should continue to do that. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #33
Why? Because it bugs you? What difference does that make? Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #39
And during that DADT effort ... there was a loud group on DU claiming JoePhilly Jan 2013 #40
WTF!!! Obama is the one that put SS on the table. The Democrats in Congress took it away. Dawgs Jan 2013 #23
Is it so hard for people to actually think that the WH and Congress(dem side) might actually Bodhi BloodWave Jan 2013 #29
This isn't Schrödinger's cat we're talking about MNBrewer Jan 2013 #34
No. nt bemildred Jan 2013 #26
No, but that doesn't stop the ODSers to find something else to go after the Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #30
Our President just cleaned the Republicans clock CentristLiberal Jan 2013 #36
As everywhere, those who are most upset post the most and loudest. uppityperson Jan 2013 #37
it's a mistake to focus so much on personality Enrique Jan 2013 #41
No, Obama did however put it on the table Autumn Jan 2013 #43
+1 forestpath Jan 2013 #44
no "all" we did was create permanent tax cuts for the rich hfojvt Jan 2013 #45
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