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JoePhilly

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40. And during that DADT effort ... there was a loud group on DU claiming
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:26 AM
Jan 2013

Obama has absolutely no intent to end DADT. They claimed he was secretly against ending it. When congress repealed it, they said he would not sign it. After he signed it, they said he didn't really want to and that he'd find a way to let the military ignore it. Then when that was wrong, they said he was going to let the military slow walk it for years and years.

I have no problem with the debate or the criticism of things he actually does. But as I have said many times, we've seen DU burst into flames with endless haironfire threads claiming that Obama plans to cut social security and medicare. Not just that he might make a concession of some kind, but that his actual goal is to significantly cut and weaken those programs because he's really a republican, or a secret corporatist plutocrat.

In contrast, these claims can not be disproved because unlike DADT, Obama was able to act and prove the haironfire folks wrong. Here, the only way Obama can prove he has no such secret evil plan, is to leave his second term without having performed the evil acts that have been endlessly predicted.

We've been through 6 or 7 bouts of "Obama is about to slash Social Security and Medicare". "He hates us" on and on. And when it doesn't happen what do they say "Well, just cause he didn't do it, doesn't mean I'm wrong about his evil plan", or "He only didn't do it because we were screaming."

That last version is a neat coping maneuver. Not only is the person who make the prediction about Obama's evil plan not wrong, they in fact become the hero who saved the day.

I don't expect the haironfire folks to change. In fact, my prediction is that they will again flip out in a few months. After all, that's been the pattern going back at least three years.

Ironically, if Obama had lost in 2012, those making those predictions would have been wrong. With Obama winning, they get 4 more years to scream and holler. And I have every expectation that they will do so.

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It's not over... kentuck Jan 2013 #1
But did we cut Social Security? WonderGrunion Jan 2013 #2
If the Fiscal Cliff Crisis ended with today's vote, you'd be right. MessiahRp Jan 2013 #3
I see lots of folks posting that they see from 'so many' stuff like 'absolutely double dog' and that Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #6
So when you say 'I heard from many' you really mean 'I am making up shit I never saw and can Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #7
You are kidding. Do you not read DU? Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #15
OP can offer up any single quote that says the shit he claims he sees from 'many'. Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #38
Yes, exactly. No deal has been made, it's only... JackRiddler Jan 2013 #27
Chained CPI customerserviceguy Jan 2013 #4
No. demwing Jan 2013 #5
The fiscal cliff was originally pushed for by Obama as a way of implementing SS reform Leopolds Ghost Jan 2013 #8
Yep. The MIC developed a PERT Network for cutting plethoro Jan 2013 #24
PERT network? Sounds intriguing Leopolds Ghost Jan 2013 #42
The prediction that Obama will cut Social Security will pop back up JoePhilly Jan 2013 #9
Never occurred to Joe that the outrage from the actual Left had some effect. Never will. nt Bonobo Jan 2013 #11
"Obama is going to cave and cut Social Security!!!!!" JoePhilly Jan 2013 #12
Well cheerleading like a schmuck sure doesn't help. nt Bonobo Jan 2013 #17
If you go back over my posts on this topic, you'll find my predicted outcome is JoePhilly Jan 2013 #31
Good post brush Jan 2013 #20
That is exactly what it was. It was the Democrats that understood the threat and who plethoro Jan 2013 #25
The GOP is going to attack again, no matter what happened, its what they do. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #32
White House to libruls. "Fuck Them" (NYT article, 1/2/13) jerseyjack Jan 2013 #10
Or even give the link. How kind of you to save us the time. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #16
Did the debt ceiling get raised? vi5 Jan 2013 #13
That comes in two months...... bowens43 Jan 2013 #14
Never is a very long time MNBrewer Jan 2013 #18
Actually, by letting the payroll tax holiday expire we have strengthened it. Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #19
Yes CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #21
So do you mean I can stop calling and writing the WH and my reps about it now? forestpath Jan 2013 #22
well, this is the defense of and for his expressed willingness to cut it from stupidicus Jan 2013 #28
Yep. Especially because, when Obama does put it back on the table, they will forestpath Jan 2013 #35
No, folks should continue to do that. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #33
Why? Because it bugs you? What difference does that make? Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #39
And during that DADT effort ... there was a loud group on DU claiming JoePhilly Jan 2013 #40
WTF!!! Obama is the one that put SS on the table. The Democrats in Congress took it away. Dawgs Jan 2013 #23
Is it so hard for people to actually think that the WH and Congress(dem side) might actually Bodhi BloodWave Jan 2013 #29
This isn't Schrödinger's cat we're talking about MNBrewer Jan 2013 #34
No. nt bemildred Jan 2013 #26
No, but that doesn't stop the ODSers to find something else to go after the Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #30
Our President just cleaned the Republicans clock CentristLiberal Jan 2013 #36
As everywhere, those who are most upset post the most and loudest. uppityperson Jan 2013 #37
it's a mistake to focus so much on personality Enrique Jan 2013 #41
No, Obama did however put it on the table Autumn Jan 2013 #43
+1 forestpath Jan 2013 #44
no "all" we did was create permanent tax cuts for the rich hfojvt Jan 2013 #45
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