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Ms. Toad

(38,810 posts)
30. Do you understand that requiring an ID - EVEN a RealID - does not prove citizenship
Sat May 16, 2026, 12:41 PM
5 hrs ago

So as long as Democrats are opposed to requiring documentary proof of citizenship (and we should be), no voter ID law we can pass will counter the ads you are worried about claiming that Democrats want non-citizens to vote.

While it might be possible going forward for all citizens to provide proof of citizenship - say for citizens born after the date of the bill - for many people already living and voting for their entire lives, it is not always possible - even with all the money in the world to throw at it. Now, the births of most children are registered immediately, not just for a birth certificate but also for a social security number. That was not always the case. Home births were not always registered. I was 13-ish when I was issued a social security number. Most of my peers were older - since most farm kids weren't paid for working on the farm. So there are many older citizens (when birth registration was not automatic, and social security numbers were obtained when the individual started working who have been voting for years who will be disenfranchised if voter ID which requires proof of citizenship is enacted.

It is not a matter of wanting citizens to vote - it is a matter of acknowledging that many citizens would be disenfranchised by a bill which required documentary proof of citizenship, and refusing to support that disenfranchisement (especially in the name of solving an imaginary problem).

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Nah bad idea only allows republicans to control the narrative standingtall Wednesday #1
The border issue was too far gone before that Bill was brought up Callie1979 Thursday #17
Problem is that a voter ID bill which requires proof of citizenship (democrats dont support allowing only citizens vote) Ms. Toad Wednesday #2
Exactly now is not the time for Democrats to sellout their constituents standingtall Wednesday #3
A poll tax would be bad enough - Ms. Toad Wednesday #4
My State will Give you a free voter ID. Every state should. Callie1979 Thursday #16
my state just asks me my name bigtree Yesterday #23
"(democrats dont support allowing only citizens vote)" MichMan Wednesday #5
I was quoting the OP Ms. Toad Wednesday #6
Sorry, I missed that MichMan Wednesday #7
It's OK. I'd have put in quote marks, but I ran out of characters in the title . . . n/t Ms. Toad Wednesday #10
Our current voter records are already well vetted. Illegal voters are very rare Callie1979 Thursday #15
Requiring "some kind of ID" does not counter the advertisements you claim will be used against Democrats Ms. Toad Thursday #19
Well, if you've got a Dem Senator running & you're in a swing state, you'll see. Callie1979 6 hrs ago #24
Do you understand that requiring an ID - EVEN a RealID - does not prove citizenship Ms. Toad 5 hrs ago #30
Democratic Party believes anyone from any country can vote in the US? I've never heard this Melon 4 hrs ago #32
First, I was quoting the advertisements the OP was afraid would be run against Democrats, Ms. Toad 1 hr ago #34
I only questioned what you stated Melon 59 min ago #35
Birth certificates and social security numbers do not always exist. Ms. Toad 18 min ago #37
You need ID to register to vote. Quiet Em Wednesday #8
Only 12 states require an ID that proves citizenship - and most of those are very limited or no in effect. Ms. Toad Thursday #12
Noncitizens can't vote in federal elections, but in some jurisdictions, noncitizens can vote in local elections. WhiskeyGrinder Thursday #13
John R. Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act of 2025 bigtree Wednesday #9
Thank you. As always, Democrats have done or are trying to do what they're accused of not doing or wanting to do. betsuni Wednesday #11
This has zero to do with Voter ID. Callie1979 Thursday #14
voter id is a canard bigtree Thursday #18
here, Callie (when I got out of the yard and settled down this evening...) bigtree Yesterday #21
No Karma13612 Thursday #20
in short bigtree Yesterday #22
So do some states just let ANYONE register? Callie1979 6 hrs ago #25
Never try to take a regressive issue away from the pukes LearnedHand 6 hrs ago #26
We need to have a national id. everyonematters 6 hrs ago #27
What is different with a national id? Melon 3 hrs ago #33
The states won't be able to use it as means for voter suppression since it is the federal everyonematters 26 min ago #36
This is a bull-shit issue that solves an imaginary problem Johonny 5 hrs ago #28
Unless all states give IDs away for free (9 currently do), it's a poll tax krawhitham 5 hrs ago #29
Not sure what that site is showing me but GA gives away a free State ID & voter ID Callie1979 4 hrs ago #31
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