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Ms. Toad

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34. First, I was quoting the advertisements the OP was afraid would be run against Democrats,
Sat May 16, 2026, 04:37 PM
1 hr ago

Everything in the parentheses is a direct quote from the OP. I was not stating the Democratic position, I was restating the portion of the OP I was addressing.

Second, the law already limits voting in federal elections and for federal positions to citizens.

The issue (in the SAVE act) is whether every voter should be required to provide documents to prove their citizenship - not their identity, but their citizenship.

Many older citizens, and some younger ones) cannot do so because their birth was never registered, secondary documents like baptismal registries were destroyed, because they changed their name and do not have access to the legal documents proving the changes, because they are housing insecure and proving citizenship wasn't top on their minds in picking which of their belongings to take with them when they had to move out of their home to someplace much smaller, the car, it the street.

Some, but not all, could prove citizenship if they had money and time to cry certified copies of all the documents needed (making it simply a poll tax). Others couldn't prove it even with all the time and money on the world, because the documents no longer (or never) existed.

This disenfranchisement of citizens who have been voting all their lives will fall most heavily on the elderly, especially women, poor, and elderly.

Limiting citizenship to voters (as we already do for federal elections) is very different from requiring citizens (many of whom have been voting for decades) to prove their citizenship using documents which may not even exist for some - and would be very expensive to obtain, for others.

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Nah bad idea only allows republicans to control the narrative standingtall Wednesday #1
The border issue was too far gone before that Bill was brought up Callie1979 Thursday #17
Problem is that a voter ID bill which requires proof of citizenship (democrats dont support allowing only citizens vote) Ms. Toad Wednesday #2
Exactly now is not the time for Democrats to sellout their constituents standingtall Wednesday #3
A poll tax would be bad enough - Ms. Toad Wednesday #4
My State will Give you a free voter ID. Every state should. Callie1979 Thursday #16
my state just asks me my name bigtree Yesterday #23
"(democrats dont support allowing only citizens vote)" MichMan Wednesday #5
I was quoting the OP Ms. Toad Wednesday #6
Sorry, I missed that MichMan Wednesday #7
It's OK. I'd have put in quote marks, but I ran out of characters in the title . . . n/t Ms. Toad Wednesday #10
Our current voter records are already well vetted. Illegal voters are very rare Callie1979 Thursday #15
Requiring "some kind of ID" does not counter the advertisements you claim will be used against Democrats Ms. Toad Thursday #19
Well, if you've got a Dem Senator running & you're in a swing state, you'll see. Callie1979 6 hrs ago #24
Do you understand that requiring an ID - EVEN a RealID - does not prove citizenship Ms. Toad 5 hrs ago #30
Democratic Party believes anyone from any country can vote in the US? I've never heard this Melon 4 hrs ago #32
First, I was quoting the advertisements the OP was afraid would be run against Democrats, Ms. Toad 1 hr ago #34
I only questioned what you stated Melon 59 min ago #35
Birth certificates and social security numbers do not always exist. Ms. Toad 18 min ago #37
You need ID to register to vote. Quiet Em Wednesday #8
Only 12 states require an ID that proves citizenship - and most of those are very limited or no in effect. Ms. Toad Thursday #12
Noncitizens can't vote in federal elections, but in some jurisdictions, noncitizens can vote in local elections. WhiskeyGrinder Thursday #13
John R. Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act of 2025 bigtree Wednesday #9
Thank you. As always, Democrats have done or are trying to do what they're accused of not doing or wanting to do. betsuni Wednesday #11
This has zero to do with Voter ID. Callie1979 Thursday #14
voter id is a canard bigtree Thursday #18
here, Callie (when I got out of the yard and settled down this evening...) bigtree Yesterday #21
No Karma13612 Thursday #20
in short bigtree Yesterday #22
So do some states just let ANYONE register? Callie1979 6 hrs ago #25
Never try to take a regressive issue away from the pukes LearnedHand 6 hrs ago #26
We need to have a national id. everyonematters 6 hrs ago #27
What is different with a national id? Melon 3 hrs ago #33
The states won't be able to use it as means for voter suppression since it is the federal everyonematters 26 min ago #36
This is a bull-shit issue that solves an imaginary problem Johonny 5 hrs ago #28
Unless all states give IDs away for free (9 currently do), it's a poll tax krawhitham 5 hrs ago #29
Not sure what that site is showing me but GA gives away a free State ID & voter ID Callie1979 4 hrs ago #31
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