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51. No one in history can have seen anything we haven't......

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 01:05 PM

Jan 2012

Let's say for example millions of years ago a voyager style probe launched from another system came to earth and others saw it (and only one was sent, later destroyed by lava) - it is not possible it could have have happened because we did not see it.

Like coelacanths - folks used to say they had caught them, we said 'no way, they are extinct because we have not seen them' and then, once we saw one they were no longer extinct anymore.

Only once we discover something is it real, everyone is delusional or a liar and their claims are not worth looking into.

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Buzz Aldrin appears in an episode of the TV show Ancient Aliens [View all] MinervaX Jan 2012 OP

I seem to recall that he came out to claim he saw a UFO while in space... Anyone remember that? hlthe2b Jan 2012 #1

i think its sad that that discaimer is apparently neccessary leftyohiolib Jan 2012 #7

John Glenn has said that, too obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #38

John Glenn and the "fireflies" obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #40

If you read the Friendship 7 Air to Ground transcripts MinervaX Jan 2012 #60

Truly sad that this anecdote from both, is taken as implying more... hlthe2b Jan 2012 #41

I said the opposite of that obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #54

I actually think we are saying the same thing... hlthe2b Jan 2012 #65

He must be under the influence of ancient aliens. n/t Ian David Jan 2012 #2

Aldrin is an American hero, and like the rest of us he can say and do what he wishes Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #3

Actually we are governed by laws MinervaX Jan 2012 #4

So you have given up on any semblance of a First Amendment? hlthe2b Jan 2012 #6

It doesn't apply MinervaX Jan 2012 #13

So you are saying Aldrin does not have freedom of speech... hlthe2b Jan 2012 #16

No, but I can certainly critique it and call him out MinervaX Jan 2012 #20

Yet YOU said that his first amendment did not apply. Can you be consistent? hlthe2b Jan 2012 #26

Seriously, that's all you got? MinervaX Jan 2012 #27

ahh projection... hlthe2b Jan 2012 #30

I never said that. MinervaX Jan 2012 #32

Right.. your quotes speak for themselves. hlthe2b Jan 2012 #44

I stand by it. MinervaX Jan 2012 #49

See.. you can try and clarify your points.. hlthe2b Jan 2012 #63

LOL you go right ahead and believe what you want to believe MinervaX Jan 2012 #74

Why do people automaticly dismiss the ancient aliens theory? Drale Jan 2012 #5

Right? Being(s) in the sky whom we cannot see, yet are responsible for our creation.. AzDar Jan 2012 #10

I think that those who might not dismiss out of hand are reticent to discuss... hlthe2b Jan 2012 #11

Usually because the claims tend to be superficial... JHB Jan 2012 #12

It's just as credible as Creationism. eShirl Jan 2012 #14

As in not at all? MattBaggins Jan 2012 #61

The "ancient aliens theory" of what? jberryhill Jan 2012 #43

No one in history can have seen anything we haven't...... The Straight Story Jan 2012 #51

Appears saying what, exactly? JHB Jan 2012 #8

It was real vague MinervaX Jan 2012 #18

How do you know what he said? Did you watch the show? onenote Jan 2012 #22

He says: MinervaX Jan 2012 #24

That's it? One line? onenote Jan 2012 #29

A lot of the program is done that way jberryhill Jan 2012 #31

Clearly Aldrin would have known it was woo MinervaX Jan 2012 #36

They don't tell the interviewees the name of the show jberryhill Jan 2012 #39

Exactly. JHB Jan 2012 #53

Do you have a source to back up your claim? MinervaX Jan 2012 #56

We, being human beings from Earth, WERE ALIENS onthe MOON! that's what he meant! Ecumenist Jan 2012 #42

Alien to what? MinervaX Jan 2012 #47

Did human beings walk on the moon in the regular? Really??!! You're trying to be obtuse. Ecumenist Jan 2012 #50

The enivornment was certainly different. MinervaX Jan 2012 #52

or poetic license. JHB Jan 2012 #57

"in the context of this show" jberryhill Jan 2012 #58

Are we NATIVE TO THE MOON, Minverax? Ecumenist Jan 2012 #62

ok .....ancient aliens could actually be real limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #9

I'm thinking the same thing. Fawke Em Jan 2012 #79

What did he say? Iggo Jan 2012 #15

I've had the privilege of meeting with, talking to, and scuba diving with Buzz onenote Jan 2012 #17

Ya know? MinervaX Jan 2012 #19

And I've replied to you, So I guess the good and bad in life do balance out. onenote Jan 2012 #21

You chose to reply MinervaX Jan 2012 #25

He was on Space Ghost Matariki Jan 2012 #23

And 30 Rock. Scurrilous Jan 2012 #46

Plus, Buzz Lightyear is named for him onenote Jan 2012 #71

They get a lot of quotes from reputable people jberryhill Jan 2012 #28

That might be the case MinervaX Jan 2012 #33

Yes, we are aliens w/r/t the moon jberryhill Jan 2012 #34

That's weak. MinervaX Jan 2012 #35

No jberryhill Jan 2012 #37

what is weak about it? onenote Jan 2012 #45

Because there is nothing there to make that determination MinervaX Jan 2012 #48

It's perspective. Off Earth, we are the "aliens" JHB Jan 2012 #59

Of course ... hlthe2b Jan 2012 #67

You are trying to give human qualities to a planetoid. MinervaX Jan 2012 #75

I would err on the side of Aldrin and Glenn....that way with... Tikki Jan 2012 #55

They have certainly EARNED their credibility despite assertions to the contrary. hlthe2b Jan 2012 #64

Don't "like" UFOS? Censor and ridicule the witnesses. Are you in the CIA? That's their plan. librechik Jan 2012 #66

Who has "demonized" Buzz Aldrin? jberryhill Jan 2012 #68

"demonized?" no... Derided? ..the OP, for one. hlthe2b Jan 2012 #70

I think his comments have been misconstrued, misinterpreted, misquoted, and in general... hlthe2b Jan 2012 #69

The forum for this "academic" discussion MinervaX Jan 2012 #76

Tea Party programming kemah Jan 2012 #73

Buzz Aldrin is a Republican MinervaX Jan 2012 #77

John Glenn is a Democrat, and has reported UFOs. I think I just cancelled your dogpile. librechik Jan 2012 #78

That is simply not correct MinervaX Jan 2012 #80

400 years from now some one will find a Transfomers DVD movie and claim proof aliens existed kemah Jan 2012 #72

Feel free to discuss Von Daniken's theories in Creative Speculation REP Jan 2012 #81