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In reply to the discussion: The gun nuts are DELUSIONAL... [View all]Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)8. Does your reading of the 2nd amendment include the right to bear car bombs and other IEDs?
IED deaths account for the largest share of U.S. in-action deaths in Afghanistan
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/aug/30/bob-casey/bob-casey-says-non-ied-deaths-afghanistan-are-very/
We wondered whether non-IED deaths in Afghanistan are in fact "very, very rare."
We found a report issued by the Brookings Institution titled, "Afghanistan Index: Tracking Variables of Reconstruction & Security in Post-9/11 Afghanistan." Using the data, we were able to determine the annual totals for U.S. deaths caused by IEDs in Afghanistan, the total "hostile" deaths in Afghanistan and, ultimately, the percentage of hostile deaths that were caused by IEDs. The numbers are based in part on totals compiled by an independent monitoring organization called iCasualties.org. (Heres some background about iCasualties.org and the use of its data by media outlets.)
2001: 0 IED deaths, 6 total hostile deaths, 0 percent
2002: 5 IED deaths, 41 total hostile deaths, 12 percent
2003: 1 IED death, 32 total hostile deaths, 3 percent
2004: 12 IED deaths, 29 total hostile deaths, 41 percent
2005: 18 IED deaths, 82 total hostile deaths, 22 percent
2006: 27 IED deaths, 86 total hostile deaths, 32 percent
2007: 33 IED deaths, 92 total hostile deaths, 36 percent
2008: 84 IED deaths, 135 total hostile deaths, 62 percent
2009: 142 IED deaths, 277 total hostile deaths, 51 percent
2010: 257 IED deaths, 465 total hostile deaths, 55 percent
2011 (through July 31): 112 IED deaths, 210 total hostile deaths, 53 percent
We also asked the Pentagon for the official statistics, and they provided them. The two data sets differ for varying technical reasons, but the overall pattern is similar:
2001: 3 IED deaths, 3 killed in action, 100 percent
2002: 6 IED deaths, 18 killed in action, 33 percent
2003: 1 IED deaths, 17 killed in action, 6 percent
2004: 14 IED deaths, 25 killed in action, 56 percent
2005: 23 IED deaths, 66 killed in action, 35 percent
2006: 32 IED deaths, 65 killed in action, 49 percent
2007: 34 IED deaths, 83 killed in action, 41 percent
2008: 68 IED deaths, 132 killed in action, 52 percent
2009: 168 IED deaths, 271 killed in action, 62 percent
2010: 268 IED deaths, 437 killed in action, 61 percent
2011 (partial year): 102 IED deaths, 202 killed in action, 50 percent
By either set of numbers, IED deaths account for the largest share of U.S. in-action deaths in Afghanistan.
We wondered whether non-IED deaths in Afghanistan are in fact "very, very rare."
We found a report issued by the Brookings Institution titled, "Afghanistan Index: Tracking Variables of Reconstruction & Security in Post-9/11 Afghanistan." Using the data, we were able to determine the annual totals for U.S. deaths caused by IEDs in Afghanistan, the total "hostile" deaths in Afghanistan and, ultimately, the percentage of hostile deaths that were caused by IEDs. The numbers are based in part on totals compiled by an independent monitoring organization called iCasualties.org. (Heres some background about iCasualties.org and the use of its data by media outlets.)
2001: 0 IED deaths, 6 total hostile deaths, 0 percent
2002: 5 IED deaths, 41 total hostile deaths, 12 percent
2003: 1 IED death, 32 total hostile deaths, 3 percent
2004: 12 IED deaths, 29 total hostile deaths, 41 percent
2005: 18 IED deaths, 82 total hostile deaths, 22 percent
2006: 27 IED deaths, 86 total hostile deaths, 32 percent
2007: 33 IED deaths, 92 total hostile deaths, 36 percent
2008: 84 IED deaths, 135 total hostile deaths, 62 percent
2009: 142 IED deaths, 277 total hostile deaths, 51 percent
2010: 257 IED deaths, 465 total hostile deaths, 55 percent
2011 (through July 31): 112 IED deaths, 210 total hostile deaths, 53 percent
We also asked the Pentagon for the official statistics, and they provided them. The two data sets differ for varying technical reasons, but the overall pattern is similar:
2001: 3 IED deaths, 3 killed in action, 100 percent
2002: 6 IED deaths, 18 killed in action, 33 percent
2003: 1 IED deaths, 17 killed in action, 6 percent
2004: 14 IED deaths, 25 killed in action, 56 percent
2005: 23 IED deaths, 66 killed in action, 35 percent
2006: 32 IED deaths, 65 killed in action, 49 percent
2007: 34 IED deaths, 83 killed in action, 41 percent
2008: 68 IED deaths, 132 killed in action, 52 percent
2009: 168 IED deaths, 271 killed in action, 62 percent
2010: 268 IED deaths, 437 killed in action, 61 percent
2011 (partial year): 102 IED deaths, 202 killed in action, 50 percent
By either set of numbers, IED deaths account for the largest share of U.S. in-action deaths in Afghanistan.
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It's amazing how many times I encounter this kind of delusion with gun folks...
CTyankee
Jan 2013
#79
Contrary to your fantasies, the rank and file military would not blindly follow orders to shoot
Undismayed
Jan 2013
#92
A drone flying at 1000ft can target you & kill you, and you wouldn't even know it's there.
baldguy
Jan 2013
#91
No, in their Turner Diary, die-hard-like imaginations, they just hold off the blue helmets...
Bucky
Jan 2013
#4
Does your reading of the 2nd amendment include the right to bear car bombs and other IEDs?
Electric Monk
Jan 2013
#8
Yeah, if you find someone building one, arrest em, fair trial, and jail time.
Electric Monk
Jan 2013
#62
Irrelevent. Car bombs & IEDs are illegal here and illegal in the US.
OneTenthofOnePercent
Jan 2013
#14
"Do you really think that the US would start dropping bombs on buildings ..."
FiveGoodMen
Jan 2013
#40
Illegally, and not covered by the 2nd am. Find someone doing it? Lock em up. nt
Electric Monk
Jan 2013
#61
The old "why have any laws at all, then, because some people will still break them" canard.
Electric Monk
Jan 2013
#81
Right. How well did that work out for Randy Weaver or David Koresh, for example?
Electric Monk
Jan 2013
#72
You clearly dont understand the idea of a tyrannical government with the USA's weaponry
stevenleser
Jan 2013
#19
They kicked us out like Japan kicked us out. Like Germany kicked out USSR, US, UK and France
stevenleser
Jan 2013
#18
Not only do I know that, I can name them without looking that up. It doesnt change the point. nt
stevenleser
Jan 2013
#88
I'm not insecure. I'm just tired of folks on your side of the argument shooting kids.
Robb
Jan 2013
#50
Isn't this considered treasonous to advocate to overthrow the govt because you don't like
kimbutgar
Jan 2013
#66
I'm perplexed by DUers telling other DUers that the US Government is going to send all four branches
cherokeeprogressive
Jan 2013
#90
And how useful were fighters and bombers and artillery during the occupation of Iraq?
krispos42
Jan 2013
#99
I'll bookmark this so I can check if North Vietnam's surrendered a year from now. n/t
Glaug-Eldare
Jan 2013
#102