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NickB79

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60. How would the children of that "dumbass" be any different

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:11 PM

Jan 2013

Than the children of the alleged terrorists we kill every week?

The point of discussing civilian casualties was because Undismayed stated:

Tanks, bombs, rockets, jets ..etc

All those things are useless outside of a combat operation.

Can a bomb enforce a curfew? Can a fighter jet conduct house to house searches? What good is a tank in a city setting? Will a rocket target only combatants? Those things couldn't be used against a homeland insurrection type movement because that's not what they were designed for.

If you don't give a shit about killing said dumbass with a helicopter gunship strike, you clearly haven't thought through the ramifications of such a strike. You actually made my point for me: that the bulk of the weapons the US military has would be useless in such a fight, unless civilian casualties are considered an acceptable loss.

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The gun nuts are DELUSIONAL... [View all] Playinghardball Jan 2013 OP

That's why I need the high capacity magazines NightWatcher Jan 2013 #1

That NRA inspired talking point nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #2

Borderline? Cary Jan 2013 #30

It's amazing how many times I encounter this kind of delusion with gun folks... CTyankee Jan 2013 #79

Tanks, bombs, rockets, jets ..etc Undismayed Jan 2013 #3

"a homeland insurrection type movement...." mike_c Jan 2013 #12

Homeland Insurrection Type Movement??? Well - good luck with that. jmg257 Jan 2013 #17

can an ah-64 apache fly to an homeland insurrectionist's house.. frylock Jan 2013 #35

Can a neighbor or relative rat out the delusional insurrectionists first? Ikonoklast Jan 2013 #52

We already do that in Afghanistan, and kill children in the process NickB79 Jan 2013 #54

no, i'm not OK with that ever or "all of a sudden" frylock Jan 2013 #57

How would the children of that "dumbass" be any different NickB79 Jan 2013 #60

listen, i am not advocating for this.. frylock Jan 2013 #85

You mean all 1 million billh58 Jan 2013 #59

Contrary to your fantasies, the rank and file military would not blindly follow orders to shoot Undismayed Jan 2013 #92

Remember a little skirmish billh58 Jan 2013 #94

I wish you luck in your authoritarian fantasies. Undismayed Jan 2013 #95

No need for luck, your billh58 Jan 2013 #97

A drone flying at 1000ft can target you & kill you, and you wouldn't even know it's there. baldguy Jan 2013 #91

And when that drone strike kills an innocent child, Undismayed Jan 2013 #93

Actually, any "organized" insurrectionist billh58 Jan 2013 #100

Sure it can...tanks have been used in cities all over the world. Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #101

Many people here have a very worrisome authoriarian streak. Undismayed Jan 2013 #103

It's not my solution... Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #105

No, in their Turner Diary, die-hard-like imaginations, they just hold off the blue helmets... Bucky Jan 2013 #4

You clearly understand nothing of asymetrical/guerilla warfare. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #5

Does your reading of the 2nd amendment include the right to bear car bombs and other IEDs? Electric Monk Jan 2013 #8

You know of a way to stop people from making those? (nt) Recursion Jan 2013 #11

Yeah, if you find someone building one, arrest em, fair trial, and jail time. Electric Monk Jan 2013 #62

Irrelevent. Car bombs & IEDs are illegal here and illegal in the US. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #14

Take a good look at Atlanta nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #25

"Do you really think that the US would start dropping bombs on buildings ..." FiveGoodMen Jan 2013 #40

Yeah, no one would ever make car bombs in the US NickB79 Jan 2013 #49

Illegally, and not covered by the 2nd am. Find someone doing it? Lock em up. nt Electric Monk Jan 2013 #61

No, that wasn't my point NickB79 Jan 2013 #65

Do you think rebels would be concerned about the law? N/T GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #70

The old "why have any laws at all, then, because some people will still break them" canard. Electric Monk Jan 2013 #81

Which side are you on? tama Jan 2013 #107

Reality based, not faith based. nt Electric Monk Jan 2013 #108

The problem with your analysis is the military hasn't lost those conflicts jeff47 Jan 2013 #9

Err... the Taliban is winning, you know? (nt) Recursion Jan 2013 #13

Again, there's two parts to winning a war, military and political jeff47 Jan 2013 #16

And I'm sure every US soldier would be fine NickB79 Jan 2013 #51

The majority would be jeff47 Jan 2013 #63

The military tends to be strongly RW, as is the TP. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #69

There's a long ways between RW and open rebellion. jeff47 Jan 2013 #71

Right. How well did that work out for Randy Weaver or David Koresh, for example? Electric Monk Jan 2013 #72

During WWII tama Jan 2013 #110

You clearly dont understand the idea of a tyrannical government with the USA's weaponry stevenleser Jan 2013 #19

The people of Afghanistan have a feudal structure, we don't. A Simple Game Jan 2013 #41

Living "in mud/shit huts" actually has a lot to do with it jberryhill Jan 2013 #76

Also tama Jan 2013 #106

Fair point tama Jan 2013 #104

Little Known Fun Fact Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #6

And the USA with 5% of the population has 50% of all guns. RedCloud Jan 2013 #39

Iraqis did pretty well with rifles and small explosives Recursion Jan 2013 #7

IRA in Ireland JohnnyBoots Jan 2013 #10

They kicked us out like Japan kicked us out. Like Germany kicked out USSR, US, UK and France stevenleser Jan 2013 #18

We're still in Germany. And Japan (nt) Recursion Jan 2013 #20

By that definition, we're still in Iraq. We have a large embassy there. nt stevenleser Jan 2013 #21

You do know we have military bases in Japan and Germany, don't you? A Simple Game Jan 2013 #45

Over? Did you say over? Electric Monk Jan 2013 #78

Not only do I know that, I can name them without looking that up. It doesnt change the point. nt stevenleser Jan 2013 #88

I reread your post and the previous ones, I get your point now. n/t A Simple Game Jan 2013 #89

Don't call them gun-nuts bongbong Jan 2013 #15

Brady Campaign playbook, page 16 derby378 Jan 2013 #22

LOL bongbong Jan 2013 #24

do you have anything that can deflect bullets? samsingh Jan 2013 #27

I'm not insecure. I'm just tired of folks on your side of the argument shooting kids. Robb Jan 2013 #50

the occasional massacre is just collateral damage Skittles Jan 2013 #23

there is never an emotional caring response to gun massacres samsingh Jan 2013 #28

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #37

"but they sure get their panties in a wad being called what they are" rightsideout Jan 2013 #67

it truly is a delusion samsingh Jan 2013 #26

+1 and then some reteachinwi Jan 2013 #77

I think they see the military as joining them, after a few days. Shrike47 Jan 2013 #29

Yes they do nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #31

some might, but not all. it would be a free for all with deadly consequences samsingh Jan 2013 #44

Oh I did not say most nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #47

It's an exceedingly scenario-dependent thing. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #75

the troops would initially follow the Commander-in-Chief samsingh Jan 2013 #43

I wouldn't go that far NickB79 Jan 2013 #53

If not joining, at least being hesitant to resist. Xithras Jan 2013 #55

Hmmm, that assumes a level of disconnect from humanity NickB79 Jan 2013 #64

Something is delusional... L0oniX Jan 2013 #32

it's very frustrating samsingh Jan 2013 #46

Can't topple the government, but they can topple 6 and 7 year olds. SunSeeker Jan 2013 #33

"Experts" debating wha?, above...freaking hilarious BlueNoteSpecial Jan 2013 #34

if having healthcare counts as a reason to onethatcares Jan 2013 #36

i think its about bigotry samsingh Jan 2013 #48

Wouldn't the Air Force side with the gun nuts? FreeBC Jan 2013 #38

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #42

- Sigh - shadowrider Jan 2013 #56

THIS is delusional, and scary aristocles Jan 2013 #58

It's delusional but will backfire on them rightsideout Jan 2013 #68

Isn't this considered treasonous to advocate to overthrow the govt because you don't like kimbutgar Jan 2013 #66

No. Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #111

The point you are attempting to make Jenoch Jan 2013 #73

Yeah.. no. X_Digger Jan 2013 #74

wow, when does the movie version come out? CTyankee Jan 2013 #80

Never, I hope... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #82

Diagnosis: Red Dawn Complex. nt onehandle Jan 2013 #86

+1000 LAGC Jan 2013 #83

Exactly! I quote a fellow DUer Sylvi who has said it better than I could: Elmergantry Jan 2013 #84

Those basement dwellers get winded lifting their bag of cheetoes. nt onehandle Jan 2013 #87

I'm perplexed by DUers telling other DUers that the US Government is going to send all four branches cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #90

I'm perplexed that you missed the "overthrow the government" statement tabasco Jan 2013 #96

just curious Takket Jan 2013 #98

And how useful were fighters and bombers and artillery during the occupation of Iraq? krispos42 Jan 2013 #99

I'll bookmark this so I can check if North Vietnam's surrendered a year from now. n/t Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #102

yes samsingh Jan 2013 #109