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Showing Original Post only (View all)The NRA Claims the AR-15 Is Useful for Hunting and Home Defense. Not Exactly. [View all]
By Justin Peters, Posted Wednesday, Jan. 2, 2013, at 7:26 PM ET
...many people have reacted by suggesting that the federal government should ban the AR-15 and other so-called assault weapons. Gun advocates have responded with exasperation, saying that, despite appearances, AR-15-style rifles are no more dangerous than any other gun. In a piece today on humanevents.com titled The AR-15: The Gun Liberals Love to Hate, NRA president David Keene blasted those critics who neither understand the nature of the firearms they would ban, their popularity or legitimate uses. Keene noted there are several valid, non-murderous uses for rifles like the AR-15among them recreational target shooting, hunting, and home defenseand argued that law-abiding firearms owners shouldnt be penalized because of homicidal loners who use semi-automatics like the AR-15 for criminal purposes.
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The AR-15 was designed in 1957 at the behest of the U.S. Army, which asked Armalite to come up with a high-velocity, full and semi auto fire, 20 shot magazine, 6lbs loaded, able to penetrate both sides of a standard Army helmet at 500 meters rifle, according to ar15.com. When it entered Army service in the 1960s, it was renamed the M16, in accordance with the Army Nomenclature System. AR-15 came to refer to the rifles semi-automatic civilian equivalent... People like the rifle because it is modular and thus customizable (one article calls the AR-15 perhaps the most flexible firearm ever developed; in seconds, a carbine can be switched over to a long-range rifle by swapping upper receivers), because it is easy to shoot, and because carrying it around makes you look like a badass.
But the AR-15 is not ideal for the hunting and home-defense uses that the NRAs Keene cited today. Though it can be used for hunting, the AR-15 isnt really a hunting rifle. Its standard .223 caliber ammunition doesnt offer much stopping power for anything other than small game. Hunters themselves find the rifle controversial, with some arguing AR-15-style rifles empower sloppy, spray and pray hunters to waste ammunition. (The official Bushmaster XM15 manual lists the maximum effective rate of fire at 45 rounds per minute.) As one hunter put it in the comments section of an article on americanhunter.org, I served in the military and the M16A2/M4 was the weapon I used for 20 years. It is first and foremost designed as an assault weapon platform, no matter what the spin. A hunter does not need a semi-automatic rifle to hunt, if he does he sucks, and should go play video games. I see more men running around the bush all cammo'd up with assault vests and face paint with tricked out AR's. These are not hunters but wannabe weekend warriors.
In terms of repelling a home invasionwhich is what most people mean when they talk about home defensean AR-15-style rifle is probably less useful than a handgun. The AR-15 is a long gun, and can be tough to maneuver in tight quarters. When you shoot it, itll overpenetratesending bullets through the walls of your house and possibly into the walls of your neighbors houseunless you purchase the sort of ammunition that fragments on impact. (This is true for other guns, as well, but, again, the thing with the AR-15 is that it lets you fire more rounds faster.)
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As the NRAs David Keene notes, a lot of people do use modern sporting rifles for target shooting and in marksmanship competitions. But the guns also appeal to another demographic that doesnt get nearly as much pressparanoid survivalists who worry about having to fend off thieves and trespassers in the event of disaster. Online shooting message boards are rife with references to potential SHTF scenarios, where SHTF stands for shit hits the fangovernmental collapse, societal breakdown... An article on ar15.com titled The Ideal Rifle notes that the threats from crime, terrorism, natural disaster, and weapons of mass destruction are real. If something were to happen today, you would need to have made a decision about the rifle you would select and be prepared for such an event... The AR-15 series of rifles comes out ahead when compared to everything else. Depending on where you live, its perfectly legal to stockpile weapons to use in the event of Armageddon. But thats a far different argument than the ones firearms advocates have been using since the Newtown shootings.
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In his piece at Human Events, Keene ridiculed the notion that AR-15-style rifles ought to be banned just because a half dozen [AR-15s] out of more than three million have been misused after illegally falling into the hands of crazed killers. But the AR-15 is very good at one thing: engaging the enemy at a rapid rate of fire. When someone like Adam Lanza uses it to take out 26 people in a matter of minutes, hes committing a crime, but he isnt misusing the rifle. Thats exactly what it was engineered to do.
More: http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/01/02/gun_control_ar_15_rifle_the_nra_claims_the_ar_15_rifle_is_for_hunting_and.html
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Tab
Jan 2013
OP
That rifle in the picture is not a .223 or 5.55mm... it's just a scary looking .22lr
OneTenthofOnePercent
Jan 2013
#5
As far as hunting with AR rifles... Not much different than other rifles.
OneTenthofOnePercent
Jan 2013
#10
I'm delighted in your new interest in board unity, to say nothing of promotion of Democrats.
Robb
Jan 2013
#66
Actually, I've pointed out many times that vitrolic attacks on Democrats who own firearms
AnotherMcIntosh
Jan 2013
#70
You're going to rely upon facts? That's just going to slow things down.
AnotherMcIntosh
Jan 2013
#58
The problem you're going to have with any of these arguments is the general lack of knowledge
Egalitarian Thug
Jan 2013
#27
Imagine the kind of home invasion in which a spray and pray shooter would be useful.
Bucky
Jan 2013
#30
I read that today and it backs up what my RW family members say about hunting witn an AR-15
underpants
Jan 2013
#34
Nonsense written with noble intentions is still nonsense. The AR-15 platform...
slackmaster
Jan 2013
#40
Hammers were originally designed to pound nails, now they murder more people than rifles.
Remmah2
Jan 2013
#67
The NRA and gun enthusiasts are cherry-picking FBI data. Read the link that I provided.
Hugabear
Jan 2013
#81
If only someone at that school had a hammer. We need a John Henry in every classroom, armed with a
Erose999
Jan 2013
#77
Arguing technical details is fine. But the end result is that these are weapons
neverforget
Jan 2013
#59