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52. sick puppy vs dead puppy

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:30 PM

Jan 2013

we will "miss" the $150 a month too, but I'll take that vs what a real tax increase might have been or what the lowering of SS benefit might have been after longer "make-up" of money from the government.

NOTHING is ever fully acceptable/welcome to EVERYONE

As a society, we (many/some of us) have been trained/conditioned to accept that every/most issue has to be "all this or all that", with people lined up on either side...ready to do battle with any who dares to disagree/deviate from one's one philosophy..even a teensy weensy bit.

Legislation regarding taxation is never benign to everyone, with only benefits flowing down on the masses. Someone's ox always gets gored...or at the least, poked a bit.

My generation has been poked at, ripped up, shredded since we first entered adulthood...and as we enter the final decades of our lives, we cannot expect much to change, as much as we wish it to be different.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Neon2012 Jan 2013 OP

Were you starving 2 years ago? Recursion Jan 2013 #1

Thank you. A HERETIC I AM Jan 2013 #15

Tell someone struggling paycheck to paycheck to suck it up. Skip Intro Jan 2013 #35

They can; they did until 2 years ago (nt) Recursion Jan 2013 #39

You know... FightForMichigan Jan 2013 #89

Haven't you checked how much higher the cost of groceries are today???? Illinoischick Jan 2013 #94

Yes, people making minimum wage were probably close to starving two years ago. NCTraveler Jan 2013 #73

I don't think starving vs not-starving is the best way to look at it. Neon2012 Jan 2013 #77

I'm not. It doesn't amount for a lot per pay check glowing Jan 2013 #2

It wasn't defunding Social Security. RomneyLies Jan 2013 #9

Exactly... WCGreen Jan 2013 #14

Essentially, it is making a run at social security. glowing Jan 2013 #40

You should start a thread on this topic lunatica Jan 2013 #43

This is a great article you may be interested in. Neon2012 Jan 2013 #86

I think it's about time the payroll tax cut was ended. blogslut Jan 2013 #3

It was a nice little bonus... bhikkhu Jan 2013 #4

What should we eliminate in order to extend the break? TheCowsCameHome Jan 2013 #5

The Department of War ! pangaia Jan 2013 #12

No argument here. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2013 #17

We already did that. About 1947. (nt) Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #22

INO Care Acutely Jan 2013 #36

True. It is now called.. pangaia Jan 2013 #49

+1 horsedoc Jan 2013 #29

Predator drone average 4.5 million each Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #65

I understand willingness to sacrifice for the greater good Neon2012 Jan 2013 #6

The Tea Party will? Interesting...nt SidDithers Jan 2013 #46

I guess you are accusing me of spinning it that way. Neon2012 Jan 2013 #48

Grow a pair, 36 year old. maxsolomon Jan 2013 #50

Wtf? Grow a pair? Neon2012 Jan 2013 #57

It's the new way around here haven't you noticed? Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #68

Child... Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #82

That would be really interesting as so many of them want SS protected at all costs. n/t Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #79

I doubt the average teabagger understands the correlation Neon2012 Jan 2013 #81

How old are you? n/t Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #83

I offered that info earlier. Why do you ask? Neon2012 Jan 2013 #85

I saw that after I had asked.... Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #90

Just haven't paid much attention. Neon2012 Jan 2013 #96

Tell you what .. Let's cut other taxes, and leave the Payroll Tax where it should be ... Trajan Jan 2013 #7

payroll holiday benefits millions who don't have federal taxes to cut cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #38

Thank you. Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #70

Nope, pleased as punch. What worried me was failing to fund Social Security properly TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #8

Social Security was still being funded. Nothing changed in the money going into the trust fund. RomneyLies Jan 2013 #11

No the payroll tax cut shouldn't have been done in the first place doc03 Jan 2013 #10

Though with borrowing so cheap, that makes a certain amount of sense Recursion Jan 2013 #21

Remember the $40 a month campaign pitch? Neon2012 Jan 2013 #13

Sales taxes are going up in my state because the Tea Party took over. yardwork Jan 2013 #18

Remember when they told you it was just for 1 year? dems_rightnow Jan 2013 #19

Get a better paying job. julian09 Jan 2013 #53

Great idea. Neon2012 Jan 2013 #58

This tax is what supports social security - I would be more concerned if it did continue. jwirr Jan 2013 #16

Here's a table outlining the difference hughee99 Jan 2013 #20

So I lose $50 a paycheck. That means only one bender at the bar per pay period rather than two. Recursion Jan 2013 #24

It was a bad idea from the get-go. SoCalDem Jan 2013 #23

I don't think it's bad that it went away, enlightenment Jan 2013 #51

sick puppy vs dead puppy SoCalDem Jan 2013 #52

I don't disagree. enlightenment Jan 2013 #56

I am not a "score-keeper", nor do I look at post count, SoCalDem Jan 2013 #61

Thank you. Neon2012 Jan 2013 #59

Think of it as saving for your old age if that helps. Autumn Jan 2013 #25

Yes, you will be thankful for that Social Security check in your old age. RebelOne Jan 2013 #88

Sometimes its tough to pay one's fair share... LanternWaste Jan 2013 #26

From above... Neon2012 Jan 2013 #27

People may spin as they may... LanternWaste Jan 2013 #28

Not sure it will make that much difference Smilo Jan 2013 #30

I'll feel it. Mona Jan 2013 #31

This should instill in our minds that *we* pay for our Social Security TheProgressive Jan 2013 #32

I think lowering payroll taxes was a terrible idea politically. BlueCheese Jan 2013 #33

It will make a difference. That was the rationale for it in the first place. Skip Intro Jan 2013 #34

The 2 years are up. Did ya think that was a joke? DevonRex Jan 2013 #37

If you want SS to stay solvent, this is a good move. This money comes back to receipients. nt kelliekat44 Jan 2013 #41

I struggled even with it and have no emotional problem without it lunatica Jan 2013 #42

No one will notice. Fox told them Obama raised their taxes even though he'd lowered them. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #44

It's going to go into the Social Security fund..... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #45

It was a devil's deal... Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #47

It pisses me off while rich FUCKERS get their tax cut continued alarimer Jan 2013 #54

Understand that this is florida08 Jan 2013 #55

Nope, not concerned at all. X_Digger Jan 2013 #60

My check was $2.40 less than it normally is. I think I can handle the increase. glowing Jan 2013 #62

The max for me realism101 Jan 2013 #63

you can start collecting at 62, but you get more if you wait longer. n/t NRaleighLiberal Jan 2013 #69

Good point... realism101 Jan 2013 #72

I'm bummed about it but it was clearly defined as a "holiday" in the first place gollygee Jan 2013 #64

Yes and No Neon2012 Jan 2013 #74

No, unless people talk about it a lot Xyzse Jan 2013 #66

Which can be significant. Neon2012 Jan 2013 #75

This is the first I've heard of it Capt. Obvious Jan 2013 #67

If we popped the cap on the payroll tax, we could keep the 2% Pryderi Jan 2013 #71

No one who would like to collect Social Scurity some day. Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #76

WHERE HAVE ALL YOU PEOPLE BEEN?? Richardo Jan 2013 #78

This post was not a paycheck-deduction-amazement thread. Neon2012 Jan 2013 #84

All right, I'll post my yelling on one of those threads. Richardo Jan 2013 #91

Economist realism101 Jan 2013 #80

See post 87 Glassunion Jan 2013 #87

... slackmaster Jan 2013 #92

OFFS Marrah_G Jan 2013 #93

No idea what that means. Neon2012 Jan 2013 #95

It means nobody is buying what you are peddling HangOnKids Jan 2013 #97

Not peddling anything. Neon2012 Jan 2013 #98