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Egalitarian Thug

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27. The problem you're going to have with any of these arguments is the general lack of knowledge

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:44 PM

Jan 2013

regarding firearms in general among the anti-gun people (and a lot of ignorance among the pro-gun crowd as well).

First, you assume the AR - 15 chambered for .223 but don't specify that. You can get them for .223 Remington/5.56x45mm, .45 ACP, 5.7x28mm, 6.5 mm Grendel, .338 Lapua, 6.8 mm Remington SPC, .50 Beowulf and .50 BMG and more. So which one are you talking about? This info from Wikipedia(took me 5 seconds to find it).

You cite, or rather the idiot that wrote this cites, ar15.com as his source, but he never bothers to learn even the most basic facts regarding this weapon and so becomes easy pickings for the pro-gun nuts.

The AR-15 isn't the problem, the .223 ammo isn't the problem, and the magazine capacity isn't the problem. The problem is a culture of violence in an environment of easy access to guns.

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The NRA Claims the AR-15 Is Useful for Hunting and Home Defense. Not Exactly. [View all] Tab Jan 2013 OP

'the NRA claims.....' spanone Jan 2013 #1

So, it's really just for... Hayabusa Jan 2013 #2

The usefulness of AR designs is arguable... aikoaiko Jan 2013 #3

The .223 round is available in a variety of bullet weights and velocities. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #8

I like .223 sarisataka Jan 2013 #20

I'm fond of the peep sights and recoil reduction. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #23

Anyone with a finger can empty a mag sarisataka Jan 2013 #29

Talk about whistling past the ducking graveyard. Robb Jan 2013 #35

It would do so sarisataka Jan 2013 #42

Nice slam dunk. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #62

It's useful for hunting and home defense, JoeyT Jan 2013 #4

That rifle in the picture is not a .223 or 5.55mm... it's just a scary looking .22lr OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #5

I spotted that on the magazine too. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #16

Coupla points Tab Jan 2013 #19

So why then is it the rifle of choice for embassy defense? Remmah2 Jan 2013 #6

Read the last sentence nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #9

The journalist is a blowhard being paid to write as he is told. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #14

Really... nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #17

Are there minimum qualifications required to be a journalist? Remmah2 Jan 2013 #21

So where exactly did he lie nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #22

The intent and direction of the article is a sly lie. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #24

So the AR-15 was not commisioned to nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #25

So you're saying that the gun wasn't designed to do what was in the contract? rbixby Jan 2013 #33

Perhaps we're tired of kids getting killed. Robb Jan 2013 #36

A home does not have the security issues that an Embassy faces ThoughtCriminal Jan 2013 #47

Nonetheless CRS says there's no evidence the AWB reduced murder number. jody Jan 2013 #7

As far as hunting with AR rifles... Not much different than other rifles. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #10

Research is for suckas! Marinedem Jan 2013 #11

If I had to guess that last one is a .308. Arctic Dave Jan 2013 #18

Do you have any posing with dead kids? Robb Jan 2013 #37

Typical. Marinedem Jan 2013 #49

Bringing up all the dead kids makes you real uncomfortable. Robb Jan 2013 #51

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I agree, and particularly agree with your statement AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #60

Well, better luck next time. Robb Jan 2013 #61

What you say is untrue. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #64

I'm delighted in your new interest in board unity, to say nothing of promotion of Democrats. Robb Jan 2013 #66

Actually, I've pointed out many times that vitrolic attacks on Democrats who own firearms AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #70

Does that Berserker Jan 2013 #53

You're going to rely upon facts? That's just going to slow things down. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #58

Simple ban semi-autos, including handguns. Hoyt Jan 2013 #12

A L-III licensing nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #15

The cowards of the NRA strike again. nt madinmaryland Jan 2013 #13

If you are hunting human beings and defending your home in Syria? Agnosticsherbet Jan 2013 #26

The problem you're going to have with any of these arguments is the general lack of knowledge Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #27

I guess if you are a bad shot, it improves your chances. liberal N proud Jan 2013 #28

I'm a pretty good shot and it improves my chances sir pball Jan 2013 #76

Imagine the kind of home invasion in which a spray and pray shooter would be useful. Bucky Jan 2013 #30

Amen, brother. I don't go anywhere without my mutated anthrax.... Xipe Totec Jan 2013 #31

This guy's already made one critical mistake... derby378 Jan 2013 #32

What's best for shooting a six year old? Robb Jan 2013 #39

Really? A "do you still beat your wife" question? Come on. derby378 Jan 2013 #43

It's like baseball stats, only really fucking creepy. Robb Jan 2013 #44

Nice use of loaded words there derby378 Jan 2013 #45

I keep my words loaded. One in the pipe, too. Robb Jan 2013 #52

How many people have died as a result of the drug war? Remmah2 Jan 2013 #82

Your firearms have harmed no one YET. Robb Jan 2013 #84

With 300 million plus firearms in the private hands... beevul Jan 2013 #86

Translation: current gun deaths are acceptable to you. Robb Jan 2013 #87

Are you calling for a ban on booze? StretchMaK Jan 2013 #89

Oopsie. Robb Jan 2013 #94

Intent of the Second Amendment. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #92

I'd ask you to kindly keep your words out of my mouth, thanks. beevul Jan 2013 #97

A man with a hammer has harmed no one yet. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #91

What's the best hammer to kill 20 kids with? Robb Jan 2013 #93

Why do you ask? Berserker Jan 2013 #55

Shouldn't this post be in hunting and outdoors? Remmah2 Jan 2013 #65

I read that today and it backs up what my RW family members say about hunting witn an AR-15 underpants Jan 2013 #34

The areticle posted by the OP Jenoch Jan 2013 #38

Nonsense written with noble intentions is still nonsense. The AR-15 platform... slackmaster Jan 2013 #40

Hammers were originally designed to pound nails, now they murder more people than rifles. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #67

I'm sure that's a subject close to your heart, "Remmah" 2 slackmaster Jan 2013 #71

Yup Remmah2 Jan 2013 #72

Pure NRA bullshit. Hugabear Jan 2013 #74

Where in the article is the NRA ever mentioned? Remmah2 Jan 2013 #80

The NRA and gun enthusiasts are cherry-picking FBI data. Read the link that I provided. Hugabear Jan 2013 #81

Hammers do not require a background check. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #83

If only someone at that school had a hammer. We need a John Henry in every classroom, armed with a Erose999 Jan 2013 #77

This is false former-republican Jan 2013 #41

You just had to insert facts into this thread, didn't you... ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #46

I figured why not former-republican Jan 2013 #48

It seemed to kill 26 people at close range pretty easily in Sandy Hook neverforget Jan 2013 #54

I didn't state it wouldn't kill at close range former-republican Jan 2013 #57

Arguing technical details is fine. But the end result is that these are weapons neverforget Jan 2013 #59

It's a semiautomatic rifle like any other. rrneck Jan 2013 #50

If someone can't hit a deer in one or two single shots... Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #63

Tired argument jp76 Jan 2013 #73

You know what? It's a sport. You win some, you lose some. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #78

Not just a miss jp76 Jan 2013 #79

Anyone that believes the AR-15 Harmony Blue Jan 2013 #68

The NRA are lying nazi bastards workinclasszero Jan 2013 #69

"For that time a Mastedon chooses to demolish your home..." Taverner Jan 2013 #75

In a house, a 5.56mm generally safer than a 9mm handgun NickB79 Jan 2013 #85

Yep! MrScorpio Jan 2013 #88

Great line from the OP.... rppper Jan 2013 #90

A .357 can be used for deer hunting, (handgun or carbine.) Remmah2 Jan 2013 #95

its a slaughter, not a hunt with this type of weapon samsingh Jan 2013 #96