If you've never served in the military than you can't criticize those who have.

[cliffordu]

124. Just because you alerted on that Drunken Irishman post, I'll post it again:

Maybe I'll post it until hell itself comes to get me.

To quote:

"Derp:
That's pretty much what I read here. What a pathetic, heartless, ridiculous response. The fact this time of slime is allowed on DU is absolutely fucking appalling. I don't know what's more sad - the fact your holier than thou piece of shit ass is still allowed to post or that you seriously believe soldiers who volunteered should be held responsible for the decisions many aren't in control of during conflict.

First of all, what the fuck does that even mean? I've seem some stupid shit posted on this forum before ... but that right there takes the cake. They bear responsibility how? What would you like to do to those soldiers? Throw 'em in jail, shoot 'em? Try 'em for murder?

Give me a fucking break.

And yes, this is personal. It's personal because I'm the son of a Vietnam vet who volunteered to join the army and went over to Vietnam. By your definition, and the bastard who wrote this OP, he's somehow deserving of something, which you haven't explained, because, at the age of 16, he believed the military was the best option for him - bought into the lies of the government ... and joined up. He wasn't one those drafted, which really doesn't make a goddamn difference in my book ... but I can already tell your kind, you snotty coward fuck, look your nose down on him and others who volunteer.

You wanna know how my father paid for killing the Vietnamese in America's name? He died. He's fucking dead because he suffered Agent Orange - which gave him cancer and ate away at his brain for the last remaining years of his life. He's no longer on this planet and I'm guessing you're the type of sonofabitch who would say that he's deserving of that type of suffering because he volunteered and it was HIS decision.

That's all I can get out of your cryptic, bullshit, pious view that these people should 'bear some personal responsibility.'

Guess what, fuckwad, many, many - millions, in fact do! They come home and they kill themselves because of their PTSD. They come home and go crazy because they can't handle the shit they went through. Many can't readjust and become homeless and sit on the corner of the street shells of their former selves begging for change, pissin' themselves and then dying in the cold of winter. That's their taking responsibility. These men and women will come home and never be the same ... they will come home knowing they took a life and that will haunt their memories for the remainder of the lives.

I saw this shit first hand. I saw it first hand with my father who wouldn't dare open up about what he witnessed in Vietnam. He wouldn't dare burden me with the horrors he experienced in the jungles - the people he saw murdered ... the crimes he saw committed. But those memories stayed with him until he left this earth.

And I'll tell you something ... my father was not some killer ... he was not some lunatic. He was a kid. He was a kid who was told to fight and shoot and kill. And he did. And then he came home, created a family and died ... a painful death associated with his time in Vietnam.

When my dad died, he had cancer scares, heart problems, brain atrophy, PTSD, weakened bones, nightmares ... some undiagnosed muscle problem that gave him violent shakes when he was asleep and had an unknown infection that the doctors at the VA here couldn't find.

Don't tell me these people don't pay. Don't act smugly on some goddamn message board and suggest they need to pay.

They do and so do their families. But let's admit, you don't care. You don't give two fucks about the soldiers coming home or their families. It's pretty clear in the tone of your post. You think they're criminals who deserve some personal responsibility for their decisions.

I think you're a fucking coward who can only say that without fully understanding the horrors of war. It's so easy spewing that bullshit from the comfort of your house. But why don't you get off your ass and go down to the VFW and tell those veterans they need to bear some personal responsibility.

Do you have what it takes to do that - or are you another loser?

I'm guessing it's the latter. Loser."


And, as Cliffordu, I couldn't have said it better.

Try the VFW. They'll fix you right up!