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132. "painting with a broad brush" is exactly what I thought the post I was responding to

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:25 PM

Jan 2013

was doing, seemingly painting all the troops as patriotic heroes, or economically disadvantaged people who had no choice but to join the military. Sorry, but I don't buy it. And so I pointed out and linked to a couple of relevant news items from the past that showed this is not the case. Some of the "heroic" soldiers are in fact the complete opposite of that term, as these news stories I linked to prove in a very disturbing manner. And you say shame on me, well, I say shame on those soldiers and those troops who committed those atrocities, which in any book are or should be labeled as war crimes.

And did I say all the troops were this way? Nope. There are some true heroes in the military, just like in other jobs such as health care, police, fire department, etc.

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If you've never served in the military than you can't criticize those who have. [View all] white_wolf Jan 2013 OP

of course people who have never served can criticize, and they do Skittles Jan 2013 #1

This. Adsos Letter Jan 2013 #5

you got it, Adsos Letter Skittles Jan 2013 #12

Does this entitle me to one "You may dodge one ass-kicking" card? Adsos Letter Jan 2013 #34

you know you'd pay me for one Skittles Jan 2013 #36

! Adsos Letter Jan 2013 #39

Hell, Skittles, I'll give you all my comic books, cliffordu Jan 2013 #109

how big is that, er, plaster cast? Skittles Jan 2013 #134

Uh..... cliffordu Jan 2013 #136

You are right Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #55

This Recursion Jan 2013 #22

Agree Solly Mack Jan 2013 #43

They often are nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #48

That's what gets me the most about people like those in the OP RomneyLies Jan 2013 #69

A doctor if I remember correctly. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #74

There was also a captain and there was a major who first volunteered to go to Afghanistan RomneyLies Jan 2013 #79

At this point...popcorn nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #2

Nah, enlisted aren't to blame for the war RedCappedBandit Jan 2013 #3

They aren't at fault for what the government did, but they are responsible for their own actions. white_wolf Jan 2013 #8

Makes about as much sense as blaming Wal-Mart door greeters for the evils of corporations Major Nikon Jan 2013 #20

Like I said, they're individuals. RedCappedBandit Jan 2013 #52

No offense but that is a dumb comment to make. If I remember right Bush/Cheney were lying southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #88

I would add that people don't join the military for patriotic or ideological reasons Major Nikon Jan 2013 #111

Well I know my dad and father-in-law both joined because of WWII but both liked the southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #115

They don't decide their mission iiibbb Jan 2013 #145

One does not have to be able to even boil water, much less cook a meal TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #4

I have two brothers who prove military intelligence is an oxymoron. liberal N proud Jan 2013 #6

I have an nephew who does the same. white_wolf Jan 2013 #10

You are aware that the line of demarcation nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #51

Oh, c'mon nadin... Adsos Letter Jan 2013 #64

Of course it is nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #66

Don't blame E-1s for obeying orders in combat coming from O-10s reporting to the Commander in Chief. jody Jan 2013 #7

Those E-1s choose to enlist. white_wolf Jan 2013 #9

No job, no prospect of a job, no way to afford college… Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #15

Then we need to bring jobs back to this country. white_wolf Jan 2013 #29

why do you think we are invading those countries?? Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #77

That's possibly the most naive thing (I'm being extremely charitable) I've ever read here. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #95

........... Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #105

Sorry. This is DU after all and one can never be sure. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #138

One can argue that you are just as guilty for not providing alternatives for these people. Kaleva Jan 2013 #104

No, you never "have to" enlist, period. Not one person capable of filling out the enlistment Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #92

Thank you for bringing some sanity to this thread. Scuba Jan 2013 #97

Those E-1s enlist to serve under CIC Obama you helped elect. If they have been misled as you claim, jody Jan 2013 #16

And many did to escape the hood nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #17

If jobs were out there, at living wages, I am betting a good number of recruits would not join. white_wolf Jan 2013 #32

Perhaps you missed this by a mile. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #35

Blah blah blah cliffordu Jan 2013 #110

You elected or failed to elect representatives to give the military their objectives iiibbb Jan 2013 #146

Oh dear theKed Jan 2013 #11

See post 87. eom RomneyLies Jan 2013 #13

... pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #18

pardon me RomneyLies Jan 2013 #21

RomneyLies xoom Jan 2013 #63

See Post 91. eom RomneyLies Jan 2013 #70

RomneyLies xoom Jan 2013 #71

You do know that I love you, brother. cliffordu Jan 2013 #114

Back atcha, brother pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #118

ONE day in the sun, one day in the rain "over there" cliffordu Jan 2013 #121

RomneyLies xoom Jan 2013 #65

You can't criticize the military... Bigmack Jan 2013 #14

I agree GP6971 Jan 2013 #58

Agreed Adsos Letter Jan 2013 #90

There is nothing soldiers abhor most than war nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #94

This Recursion Jan 2013 #99

+47% nt pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #103

So why aren't willing to lay down your life to stop these crimes cliffordu Jan 2013 #116

Translation, please... nt Bigmack Jan 2013 #149

It's bullshit. OTOH if your exposure to the military is Hollywood Recursion Jan 2013 #19

+1 Adsos Letter Jan 2013 #24

hey recursion, check out the holiday pic emailed to me from Marines in Afghanistan Skittles Jan 2013 #31

High five Recursion Jan 2013 #37

Hey. When was the last time I said I loved ya??? cliffordu Jan 2013 #117

you would have laughed at this Skittles Jan 2013 #133

Rofl.... cliffordu Jan 2013 #137

. RomneyLies Jan 2013 #61

I take a perverse satisfaction when people criticize military service Recursion Jan 2013 #72

clicked your OP just to say "horse shit," only to find that we think pretty much alike.... mike_c Jan 2013 #23

I'm curious, where have you heard that here? I've heard it elsewhere, and dismissed it as bullshit, 11 Bravo Jan 2013 #25

I agree, short of someone at your front door pointing a gun at your head, or Hitler, there is 4 t 4 Jan 2013 #26

If you had any clue how woefully DevonRex Jan 2013 #27

Does that mean we should be applauding the MIC theKed Jan 2013 #100

K&R, that is just one lame talking point among many others quinnox Jan 2013 #28

Right and/or wrong, you have a right to your own understandings & so do others. & patrice Jan 2013 #30

If you've never served linbarkertx Jan 2013 #33

'First, when the the Westboro Baptist Church start posting threads here?' marmar Jan 2013 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author RomneyLies Jan 2013 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author marmar Jan 2013 #44

Yep. Why the fuck not?? cliffordu Jan 2013 #119

and let me guess, they are a dirty commie as well quinnox Jan 2013 #41

Wow you really are pathetic. white_wolf Jan 2013 #53

Now you sound like the anti-Obama people. I'll critizize who I want loyalkydem Jan 2013 #40

Did you read past the thread title? white_wolf Jan 2013 #49

The military can not invade nations without orders from the civilian government. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2013 #45

That was Heinlein's idea in Starship Troopers. The vets simply said nobody else votes, and that was leveymg Jan 2013 #46

Nice to know I'm not the only starship troopers fan loyalkydem Jan 2013 #142

I read it as a warning not a User's Guide leveymg Jan 2013 #148

. RomneyLies Jan 2013 #47

W and Co. lied to the American people to garner support for those wars. rrneck Jan 2013 #50

rrneck bullseye! nt jody Jan 2013 #54

Bravo! RomneyLies Jan 2013 #56

Indeed. n/t Adsos Letter Jan 2013 #57

Why I didn't vote for Bush or the Congress. white_wolf Jan 2013 #59

Just plain bullshit. rrneck Jan 2013 #62

How so? I had nothing to do with the wars. I didn't elect the people who voted for them. white_wolf Jan 2013 #67

That's a cheap cop out. rrneck Jan 2013 #91

so all the troops are patriotic heroes? quinnox Jan 2013 #60

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #83

give me a fucking break quinnox Jan 2013 #93

Just because you alerted on that Drunken Irishman post, I'll post it again: cliffordu Jan 2013 #124

nope, I didn't alert on it, that is why I was in the middle of typing a reply to it quinnox Jan 2013 #127

. Bobbie Jo Jan 2013 #129

Thanks, cliffordu Jan 2013 #130

+1 LiberalLoner Jan 2013 #140

No, they are not partiotic heros. rrneck Jan 2013 #87

Kinda painting with a REALLY broad brush, right? cliffordu Jan 2013 #128

"painting with a broad brush" is exactly what I thought the post I was responding to quinnox Jan 2013 #132

I liked the line from Dr. Zhivago Recursion Jan 2013 #76

I never served in the military. rrneck Jan 2013 #96

Criticize them all you want from your computer. MicaelS Jan 2013 #68

Oh wow the vets can kick my ass. white_wolf Jan 2013 #73

For the record nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #78

No Vet who takes the oath seriously will cause you any harm atreides1 Jan 2013 #80

Criticizing vets won't get you beat up Recursion Jan 2013 #84

Yup nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #86

So that's how you really feel about those freedoms? Mariana Jan 2013 #107

So vets are bully's? Logical Jan 2013 #143

Since you are a soldier in a war against reason Herlong Jan 2013 #75

Tell someone who says that to you that the logic is similar to the idea that zbdent Jan 2013 #81

I think of it like people who have never smoked. Robb Jan 2013 #82

I wonder if the "you can't criticised the grunt" posters would be that forging to an invading Arctic Dave Jan 2013 #85

I guess the rant was okay. Stinky The Clown Jan 2013 #89

A civlian outranks a general underpants Jan 2013 #98

That's like saying if you haven't been a member of the US House or Senate MNBrewer Jan 2013 #101

+4,962 Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #141

"just to be clear I consider anyone who enlisted..." Shivering Jemmy Jan 2013 #102

Not at all and nor do I care what you or the other posters here think. white_wolf Jan 2013 #106

Wish that were so but there is a group that only want people who support their personal beliefs to jody Jan 2013 #113

LOL. THAT was easy to type, wasn't it? cliffordu Jan 2013 #108

whatever....wrong on so many levels, not worth these few words to argue Demonaut Jan 2013 #112

If you've never been a snotty young campus Marxist, you can't criticize those who are. Throd Jan 2013 #120

The irony nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #123

B.S. Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #122

Those same types of people who have made such statements are same type who criticized We People Jan 2013 #125

You noted this in your op: tomg Jan 2013 #126

You sound like somebody who doesn't know know any veterans or troops. musical_soul Jan 2013 #131

Civilian casualties in modern warfare Bradical79 Jan 2013 #135

I have never ever seen that here. cali Jan 2013 #139

You can criticize all you want. iiibbb Jan 2013 #144

I haven't heard that one treestar Jan 2013 #147