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115. The particular symbol

Sat Jun 6, 2026, 05:49 PM

Jun 6

of the image I posted was a little more than "some units"; it was the symbol of the entire Schutzstaffel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniforms_and_insignia_of_the_Schutzstaffel

That fact that many are unaware of the meaning of the symbol is an indictment of how history is taught.

I have clearly said it is not about Platner but about the denial of the symbol being used by the Nazis even when presented with the evidence it was used by Nazis.

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Why is so much effort being spent defending a Nazi symbol? [View all] sarisataka Jun 6 OP

It's either that or Collin's Trump stamp lame54 Jun 6 #1

So if I am understanding sarisataka Jun 6 #8

Kicking Collins to the curb is acceptable... lame54 Jun 6 #14

I have no disagreement with that sarisataka Jun 6 #16

I don't think the symbol is being defended Figarosmom Jun 6 #49

There are several posts below sarisataka Jun 6 #53

Who is defending a Nazi symbol, other than the far right? idahoblue Jun 6 #77

Read the replies sarisataka Jun 6 #79

So what conclusion is to be drawn about these so-called defenders CivicGrief Sunday #186

Finally, perhaps some reflection sarisataka Sunday #192

I just don't see the responses as going down the path of revisionist history. CivicGrief Sunday #193

Understandable sarisataka Sunday #197

Learning moments are good for the nation's soul. CivicGrief Sunday #198

I don't think it's being defended... buzzycrumbhunger Jun 6 #128

It is being defended sarisataka Jun 6 #131

They can still go with Janet Mills. LisaL Jun 6 #26

Although still on the ballot... lame54 Jun 6 #27

She is on the ballot and people can vote for her if they wish. LisaL Jun 6 #32

Maine does have Ranked Choice Voting TVguyCards Jun 6 #62

Welcome to DU! KS Toronado Jun 6 #81

Thank you :) TVguyCards Jun 6 #85

Janet Mills polls behind susan collins. Graham polls ahead. BComplex Jun 6 #88

Kind of meaningless to consider polling LisaL Jun 6 #134

Mills has no chance whatsoever ExtraGriz Sunday #177

They were stolen symbols and no shouldn't Blue Full Moon Sunday #175

This symbol? sarisataka Sunday #195

No, you're making a big deal of it oldmanlynn Sunday #182

I specifically did not make that connection sarisataka Sunday #196

You don't have to sell your soul iemanja Jun 6 #96

Mills and Costello are still on the ballot obamanut2012 Jun 6 #122

But why is Platner our only choice against Collins? yardwork Sunday #176

Did he really vote for Trump three times? iemanja Sunday #207

I read that he did but just checked and he said he did not. yardwork Sunday #210

Yeah, after I saw your post, I checked. iemanja Sunday #211

Hillary would have been a Great President. Cha Monday #215

If we want to a purity test have Pete Hegseth take off his shirt Ritabert Jun 6 #2

Would anyone here defend Hegseth? LisaL Jun 6 #3

Just saying that the GOP has one standard for themselves and one for us. Ritabert Jun 6 #37

Here no. But Republicans and Faux News would. Ritabert Jun 6 #41

My bad opinion of Hegseth Mossfern Jun 6 #150

For real Jilly_in_VA Jun 6 #151

Is anyone defending his tattos sarisataka Jun 6 #10

Or that he got them when he was drunk? LisaL Jun 6 #11

As I tried pointing out- it is NOT (!!!) about any tattoo sarisataka Jun 6 #17

Yes ABC123Easy Jun 6 #20

I am agreeing with your points. LisaL Jun 6 #23

I didn't mean to seem in opposition sarisataka Jun 6 #28

Of course people here would not defend Hegesth if he got the exact same tattoo when drunk. LisaL Jun 6 #30

I haven't seen one post claiming it is not a Nazi symbol. nt LAS14 Jun 6 #64

Hegseth is a Republican. Republicans do not have to defend their behavior. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 6 #31

So the argument is, if you can't beat them, join them? LisaL Jun 6 #33

Only if the split in the Senate is close. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 6 #35

I get the sentiment Mz Pip Jun 6 #48

The point being: when did he get the tattoo? Ritabert Jun 6 #42

Too late. He's already been called a Nazi on DU. AloeVera Jun 6 #91

I don't think anyone's called him a Nazi and I don't think he is EX500rider Jun 6 #116

... and so we advocate withholding support Mossfern Jun 6 #121

I didn't advocate anything I just think he has a lot of red flags in my opinion EX500rider Jun 6 #126

What does bringing up "red flags" mean then? Mossfern Jun 6 #127

And Collins doesn't????? That's the choice. marble falls Jun 6 #160

It's means I wish Maine had found someone with less baggage to run. EX500rider Jun 6 #167

The point is winning against actual fascists. Envirogal Jun 6 #108

The fact that Franken defenders still diminish what he did is wrong EdmondDantes_ Jun 6 #68

I read the article and remember it well. Envirogal Sunday #199

You do realize due process is a legal term and in fact not required right? EdmondDantes_ Monday #244

Innocent until proven guilty is also a legal term Envirogal Monday #245

Well, hello again. n/t rzemanfl Sunday #201

Franken asked for a formal hearing. Buzz cook Monday #246

They are the party of white supremacy iemanja Jun 6 #98

You really want Collins... lame54 Sunday #185

I do NOT want Collins iemanja Sunday #206

Simple -misanthroptimist Jun 6 #4

The same can be said for the swastika sarisataka Jun 6 #12

No it wouldn't be the same... -misanthroptimist Jun 6 #39

What is the difference? sarisataka Jun 6 #43

Look, until this nonsense... -misanthroptimist Jun 6 #45

I recognized it immediately sarisataka Jun 6 #51

You can say anything you want -misanthroptimist Jun 6 #58

Incorrect sarisataka Jun 6 #60

If you are not making that assertion... -misanthroptimist Jun 6 #66

Stop opposing Nazism and historical revisionism? sarisataka Jun 6 #69

Very clearly illogical -misanthroptimist Jun 6 #73

The question was never about the tattoo sarisataka Jun 6 #76

Then, as I said, the tattoo is irrelevant. -misanthroptimist Jun 6 #87

Let me phrase this clearly- since it doesn't matter if I type slowly sarisataka Jun 6 #92

Stop dodging -misanthroptimist Jun 6 #104

You refuse to accept what I have stated sarisataka Jun 6 #109

Nonsense -misanthroptimist Jun 6 #137

I never heard of a totenkopf until this story, either. Americanme Jun 6 #140

Couldn't agree more -misanthroptimist Jun 6 #141

Let me try explaining it. WarGamer Sunday #202

But the death head skull is NOT as universally known as a nazi hate symbol, like the swastika. Americanme Sunday #203

Do you believe he knew that? Scrivener7 Sunday #205

I'd be willing to bet a fairly large amount of money that the tattoo shop catalog where he bought it Jack Valentino Jun 6 #165

I would bet you are correct sarisataka Jun 6 #169

Speak and so it shall be so. Behind the Aegis Jun 6 #47

Because Fox News wants control of the senate. Initech Jun 6 #5

Care to share examples of the behavior in question? RockRaven Jun 6 #6

Post number 4 is one example sarisataka Jun 6 #13

Young people love lighting bolts and i never heard of them being nazi symbols before now questionseverything Monday #228

Have you never seen this? sarisataka Monday #241

No I haven't seen that before that I remember questionseverything Monday #242

I am glad to have taught you something today sarisataka Monday #243

Why is so little effort being spent promoting other D candidates in the upcoming primary? RandomNumbers Jun 6 #7

Why did Sanders endorse Fetterman? LisaL Jun 6 #9

True, but what about Warren? RandomNumbers Jun 6 #15

We actually had a very good democratic alternative to Fetterman in a primary. LisaL Jun 6 #21

Because Nazis killed Jews Danmel Jun 6 #18

They might for Platner MorbidButterflyTat Jun 6 #24

That would be interesting to see what would happen sarisataka Jun 6 #34

Poor Sarisataka ABC123Easy Jun 6 #19

I saw that but sarisataka Jun 6 #22

Good for you! ABC123Easy Jun 6 #25

I showed this thread to my children sarisataka Jun 6 #149

Weaponized ignorance -- excellent term. betsuni Jun 6 #168

Smart kids! sheshe2 Monday #234

It was an opinion piece not an article, an article implies facts questionseverything Jun 6 #29

Really? As one of the less hostile repliers from yesterday..... ABC123Easy Jun 6 #36

I saw so many swatikas in India, they must all be Nazi's too Shellback Squid Jun 6 #38

Does that make swastikas acceptable everywhere sarisataka Jun 6 #44

yes, like an ankh, I have friend who has a devil tat on his shoulder, does that make him a devil worshiper? Shellback Squid Monday #212

A swastika is as innocuous as as ankh sarisataka Monday #216

the German SS was only one of many meanings... mike_c Jun 6 #40

Will you say the same of other Nazi symbols sarisataka Jun 6 #46

As an art student, I saw many designs through history that included the swastika. calimary Jun 6 #118

K&R WhiskeyGrinder Jun 6 #50

I think we need to look at intent Bluestocking Jun 6 #52

The skull and crossed femurs has a long history TexLaProgressive Jun 6 #54

No one is trying to 'rehabilitate' the Nazis RetiredParatrooper Jun 6 #55

Who is that guy? nt LAS14 Jun 6 #70

Since the photo of von Mackensen sarisataka Jun 6 #75

That's not a Totenkopf. Llewlladdwr Monday #240

The rules of DU require that we support Platner if he's the nominee Kaleva Jun 6 #56

And at no point have I stated sarisataka Jun 6 #67

I haven't paid much attention to the debate about the tattoo Kaleva Jun 6 #161

Fair enough sarisataka Jun 6 #163

Same to you! Kaleva Jun 6 #164

At this moment, he is the PRESUMPTIVE nominee. Their primary niyad Jun 6 #155

True Kaleva Jun 6 #162

One needs only to look at other political figures to answer that. RandySF Jun 6 #57

No one is defending the symbol, including platner. pat_k Jun 6 #59

Post above your show that statement is false sarisataka Jun 6 #63

I see no one defending the symbol. pat_k Jun 6 #97

And I was never asking about any man sarisataka Jun 6 #103

I see no posts that say that. You have to give me verbatim quotes (in context) that you read that way. pat_k Jun 6 #114

Post 4 sarisataka Jun 6 #117

Who's defending it? Nt LAS14 Jun 6 #61

Have you read the replies sarisataka Jun 6 #65

I searched for it and found it in #4, which you referenced... LAS14 Jun 6 #72

There are many others in this thread sarisataka Jun 6 #78

I have never denied or diminished the connection. I have simply wondered... LAS14 Jun 6 #119

I haven't said you have denied its meaning. sarisataka Jun 6 #132

OK. nt LAS14 Jun 6 #152

Just sayin'... buzzycrumbhunger Jun 6 #133

Think about this. CivicGrief Jun 6 #71

That was not my question, as I clearly stated sarisataka Jun 6 #80

The question is not in a vacuum. It is in relation to Platner. CivicGrief Jun 6 #82

Never said that, never implied that sarisataka Jun 6 #86

Platner was a sexist choice Pris Jun 6 #113

The symbol or offensive tattoo can be fairly easily removed Grim Chieftain Jun 6 #74

Yes, exactly. WestMichRad Jun 6 #110

Yeah, it's gotten cringingly weird now Sympthsical Jun 6 #83

Come on folks TVguyCards Jun 6 #84

You get it /nt sarisataka Jun 6 #89

Enough! MineralMan Jun 6 #90

The tattoo behind all of this orangecrush Jun 6 #94

I will not stop opposing or rehabilitating Nazis, their legacy and symbols. sarisataka Jun 6 #95

Nobody has done that. MineralMan Jun 6 #99

They have, in this thread sarisataka Jun 6 #105

MM is right. AloeVera Jun 6 #153

I have not seen Platner called a Nazi but I have no reason to doubt it. I haven't followed every thread. sarisataka Jun 6 #156

I agree with you, but it's fruitless here right now obamanut2012 Monday #218

Rec'd Mossfern Jun 6 #154

I'm more curious as to how someone can defend an ongoing genocide, and endless wars instead of a tattoo; which Uncle Joe Jun 6 #93

Which genocide sarisataka Jun 6 #101

Any genocide, but particularly ones that our government, and our tax dollars are supporting. n/t Uncle Joe Jun 6 #102

Are we allowed to condemn the perpetrators of all the genocides? CivicGrief Jun 6 #143

Probably not the ones defended here daily for nearly 2 years. AloeVera Jun 6 #157

Intellectual and moral integrity iemanja Jun 6 #100

+1 demmiblue Jun 6 #106

who is defending that symbol??? LymphocyteLover Jun 6 #107

Again- read the replies sarisataka Jun 6 #111

OK, but your OP mentioned it... so I wasn't sure what you were referring to LymphocyteLover Sunday #172

Bullshit. This was not a "Nazi symbol" per se Bluetus Jun 6 #112

The particular symbol sarisataka Jun 6 #115

Be honest. When did you learn about this symbol? Bluetus Jun 6 #135

6th grade sarisataka Jun 6 #139

The totenkopf tattoo is a NAZI symbol LetMyPeopleVote Jun 6 #123

Nice. So if I have a T-shirt that has an arrow pointing upward, you will call me a Nazi? Bluetus Jun 6 #138

It is 100% a known Nazi symbol obamanut2012 Monday #220

I have yet to see anyone defend the symbol Buzz cook Jun 6 #120

Read the thread sarisataka Jun 6 #130

This tattoo really bothers me LetMyPeopleVote Jun 6 #124

Would a Democratically-controlled US Senate bother you, if Platner Jack Valentino Jun 6 #166

Isn't the tattoo still there, but covered up? lapucelle Sunday #180

I would like to see a Democrat defeat Collins but I do not believe that Platner is the right person LetMyPeopleVote Sunday #183

Well said. mcar Sunday #200

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Before this I had now idea what a totenkopf was. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 6 #136

No. You absolutely did! CivicGrief Sunday #187

He had the tattoo covered many months ago. Collins is still voting to fund the GESTAPO struggle4progress Jun 6 #142

That there is the correct perspective -misanthroptimist Jun 6 #146

Why is so much effort being spent trying to destroy a Democrat on this forum? n/t luv2fly Jun 6 #144

I hesitate to guess -misanthroptimist Jun 6 #145

That would be against the SOP sarisataka Jun 6 #147

Graham Platner reminds me a lot of Adam Kokesh Polybius Jun 6 #148

Maybe its just an awkward tattoo just like Musk's hitler salute was a awkward gesture per the ADL? Eko Jun 6 #158

The only thing awkward about Musk's gesture sarisataka Jun 6 #170

I agree. Eko Jun 6 #171

Being offended is a choice. Intractable Jun 6 #159

Yeah, those six million Jews murdered under that symbol only chose to be offended iemanja Sunday #208

Being offended by Platner is a choice. Intractable Sunday #209

Chanting the magic slogan Medicare for All trumps The Curse of the Totenkopf. betsuni Sunday #173

No. They cede power by thinking they CivicGrief Sunday #179

I don't understand. betsuni Sunday #188

I'm talking about Democrats who think moving to the center (hence, centrist) right is the CivicGrief Sunday #189

It's not the tattoo, it's the attack from centrists against progressive candidates. Emile Sunday #174

What exactly makes Platner "progressive"? He's against an assault weapons ban, lapucelle Sunday #184

I love me a genuine progressive. You may even say CivicGrief Sunday #191

And his underwear?! MorbidButterflyTat Monday #213

It does look like he's dancing shirtless in his underwear. lapucelle Monday #214

His family and friends at a wedding reception? mr715 Monday #217

Imagine someone taking off their shirt and pants at a wedding and dancing around. lapucelle Monday #223

Imagine a joyful event having joy mr715 Monday #224

Weddings are joyful ceremonies. Whether or not a guest or relative taking off some clothes and doing a dance lapucelle Monday #225

I've sang shirtless at parties at other people's request. mr715 Monday #226

Yes, but were you wearing pants? lapucelle Monday #232

Yes but only because I have skinny chicken legs. mr715 Monday #233

"Who among us has not been asked to sing shirtless at a wedding?" lapucelle Monday #235

Who cares? mr715 Monday #236

It's amazing how some people are comfortable commenting on others personal behavior at private Nanjeanne Monday #237

"We are oft to blame in this... Torchlight Sunday #178

More circular firing, squad stuff right here oldmanlynn Sunday #181

Oh of course there are numerous DUers who don't care about winning elections. BannonsLiver Monday #219

I have read and reread this very long thread before responding. cksmithy Sunday #190

I appreciate your attention and thoughtful reply sarisataka Sunday #194

Platner rso Sunday #204

Just curious about the forum rules. Can somebody clarify? Bluetus Monday #221

What rule are you positing is being violated by this thread? What makes you think it's being violated here? tritsofme Monday #222

"Bashing" Bluetus Monday #227

The OP provides a factual history lesson, I'm not sure how it could plausibly be considered "bashing" tritsofme Monday #231

I'll venture a guess. H2O Man Monday #238

Sorry, I am not the person to ask for rule interpretations sarisataka Monday #229

Remember when fundamentalist Xtians attacked Proctor and Gamble for its "Satanic" logo? Ponietz Monday #230

Strawman sarisataka Monday #239