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164. I am (marginally) of the opinion that Biden would have probably done as well

Wed Jun 17, 2026, 06:10 PM

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(and perhaps even a little better?) than Harris. With the overall outcome being pretty much the same.

Also think the (endless) revisionist history - is rather pointless and futile. Is what it is. And endless masticating on it - doesn't really serve much ...

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Hilary Clinton has stated that Biden is to blame for the election of Trump and that his legacy will never recover. [View all] Pisces Jun 16 OP

ehhh NJCher Jun 16 #1

Yes and also his slow milk toast Attorney General. gordianot Jun 16 #38

Indeed. Both Biden and his AG should have gone after Individual One Vogon_Glory Jun 16 #56

Sorry. The election of Drumpf is due to Musk. Ritabert Jun 16 #2

Thank you! raccoon Jun 16 #4

We should stop pretending we would have won and blame who did it. Ritabert Jun 16 #11

Wont happen. Or the reasons that contributed to it. Callie1979 Jun 17 #103

Not after one year in office. The time to announce he was going to follow his pre-election stance & state he would be a Celerity Jun 16 #73

Really not helpful, Hillary! Chasstev365 Jun 16 #3

Bill's approval was very high in 2000. Gore's mistake was not embracing Clinton's record Buckeyeblue Jun 16 #49

Gore could very well have won the presidency Mme. Defarge Jun 16 #82

It shouldn't have been close. W was idiot Buckeyeblue Jun 17 #96

The Repubs embrace idiots. They always have. StarryNite Jun 17 #109

Hear! Hear! yellow dahlia Jun 17 #155

We know he did win it if votes had been counted because questionseverything Sunday #193

GOP controlled SCOTUS was the problem DemocracyForever Saturday #189

And if she didn't have that stupid email server EdmondDantes_ Jun 16 #61

Exactly PatSeg Jun 16 #67

Or she could have let Huma go before the disaster with the laptop struck. LisaL Jun 16 #72

many people miss that - wiener's involvement cost Hillary the election samsingh Jun 16 #77

Joe Biden had one main job - in my opinion samsingh Jun 16 #78

Somebody talked Joe into clinging to the incumbency. Frasier Balzov Jun 17 #141

Al Gore did win in 2000, but the supremes took it away. Chemical Bill Jun 16 #79

I totally agree with you DemocracyForever Saturday #190

What is this? Pile on Biden month? choie Jun 16 #5

And she was the first one to lose to Trump. LisaL Jun 16 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author Nixie Jun 16 #55

She demonstrated her lack of political intuition La Coliniere Jun 16 #59

It wasn't the debates. mr715 Jun 16 #63

+1 Shrek Jun 17 #118

And had she done so, the reichwing machine would have been howling niyad Jun 17 #89

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Put the League of Women Voters back in charge of the debates. they did a ... marble falls Jun 17 #171

YES for LWV!!! niyad Friday #180

Bill did a good job. He balanced the budget..... Melon Jun 16 #80

Congress passed it first MichMan Jun 17 #95

Of course. But it's still excellent andunder Clinton presidency. It's reflected in the rankings by Gallup and others. Melon Jun 17 #97

Just pointing out that congress plays an equal, if not bigger, role in the budget and deficits than the president does. MichMan Jun 17 #121

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I think Al Gore broke the tie mr715 Jun 17 #122

One of the best economic periods in American history DemocracyForever Saturday #187

He balanced the budget by making welfare nearly impossible to get, leaving more people homeless and starving questionseverything Jun 17 #130

This is not accurate DemocracyForever Saturday #186

In my central Illinois county we went from over 500 cases of cash assistance questionseverything Saturday #191

The fact s that it was one of the best economic periods in history DemocracyForever Sunday #192

No, the new requirement ended assistance as we knew it questionseverything Monday #194

20 million new jobs were created under Clinton DemocracyForever Tuesday #196

New jobs were created under clinton and welfare programs were gutted under Clinton questionseverything Tuesday #197

You're the one who is hypocritical DemocracyForever Yesterday #198

Bill was vastly more successful than Biden as POTUS. BannonsLiver Jun 17 #135

Biden did a lot fast that got erased just as quickly. mr715 Jun 17 #143

The economy was good under Clinton AZProgressive Jun 17 #147

Blame for Afghanistan should go to Trump mr715 Jun 17 #158

I agree AZProgressive Jun 17 #159

Well, the first time Hillary was the one who lost to Trump. LisaL Jun 16 #6

Yep.... and maybe if she'd spent a little more time in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan, Jack Valentino Jun 16 #13

Bill Clinton was baggage to Hillary in 2016 Ponietz Jun 16 #43

She won the popular vote by over three million. The electoral college niyad Jun 17 #88

Not while it benefits Republicans SocialDemocrat61 Jun 17 #114

exactly!!! niyad Jun 17 #116

But that's a different campaign Shrek Jun 17 #119

No, it is not. The stupid electoral college is not some disconnected entity niyad Jun 17 #120

how many millions of biden voters stayed home on harris? one recalls hearing it was multi millions... msongs Jun 16 #7

How many Biden voters voted Trump? Not a small number. Callie1979 Jun 17 #104

My speculation is this: Mister Ed Jun 16 #9

I was going on this assumption when he ran again RockCreek Jun 16 #12

There was time for a full primary obamanut2012 Jun 16 #14

+1 for your last paragraph. sheshe2 Jun 16 #45

It seems like a lot of Dems are blaming President Biden................... Lovie777 Jun 16 #10

The 77,303,568 morons who voted for Trump in 2024 are to blame. sop Jun 16 #15

Post removed Post removed Jun 16 #24

Of course you are going commando sarisataka Jun 16 #30

Assuming that fleon skum and company did not fuck with the election, niyad Jun 17 #90

This will hurt more than it helps. (Is that iodized salt, Hillary, or just plain sea salt flakes?) QueerDuck Jun 16 #16

a surprising, and rather asinine?, statement - stopdiggin Jun 16 #20

Meh. It'll take a number of years before we hear a really clean analysis of the Trump era struggle4progress Jun 16 #17

I will agree. We won't really know for years but having said that, I will say Hillary's perspective is usually right Deuxcents Jun 16 #33

And Hillary was to blame for losing to Trump. Grim Chieftain Jun 16 #18

Exactly Emile Thursday #179

And 77 million idiots are off the hook. Turbineguy Jun 16 #19

I, too, agree with Sec. Clinton mr715 Jun 16 #21

because after we had a true PRIMARY - the Democrat would have sailed on to easy victory .... stopdiggin Jun 16 #22

What's the case to be made that having a normal primary process would have been worse than what happened? BannonsLiver Jun 17 #137

it needs to be worse? or is a loss still counted a loss? stopdiggin Jun 17 #153

There are flavors of loss. mr715 Jun 17 #157

true. but saying nothing toward the post that I addressed. stopdiggin Jun 17 #160

It is conceivable to me... mr715 Jun 17 #163

I am (marginally) of the opinion that Biden would have probably done as well stopdiggin Jun 17 #164

It is what makes history digestible. mr715 Jun 17 #165

in THAT we arrive at complete accord - - - - - - - - - -(nt)- stopdiggin Jun 17 #173

For once I disagree with Hillary MustLoveBeagles Jun 16 #23

If the voters don't show up to support you, they must not be inspired by what you have to offer. MichMan Jun 17 #170

I voted to protect democracy from a tyrant MustLoveBeagles Jun 17 #172

Hillary lost first to Trump Raine Jun 16 #25

She, of all people, should know better karynnj Jun 16 #26

The real shame is on the party for turning its back on Biden DavidDvorkin Jun 16 #27

Agreed Grim Chieftain Jun 16 #39

Some of us remember 2016. Sneederbunk Jun 16 #28

And some of us remember the mistakes that were made after the 2022 mid terms. BannonsLiver Jun 17 #139

I too agree with her, strongly. tman Jun 16 #29

Hill lost to him on her only try ... Cosmocat Jun 16 #34

Ironically, I wanted Biden to run in 2016. Clinton is still correct here though. tman Jun 16 #41

Hillary obamanut2012 Jun 17 #106

I'll just say this - I have seen presidents who - immediately after they leave office - are beloved by and remain the Midwestern Democrat Jun 16 #75

Biden's ultimate legacy is being transitional fujiyamasan Jun 17 #113

Time will see if his accomplishments all ended with Trump karynnj Jun 17 #128

Not sure where I would place Bill Clinton karynnj Jun 17 #125

Whoa, now THAT is so disappointing PatSeg Jun 16 #31

Not for nothing, I like Hill, but Cosmocat Jun 16 #32

I think Clinton's actual statement was a reasonable assessment delisen Jun 16 #35

Biden never promised to not run for a second term Mysterian Jun 16 #71

It was mostly implied that he would be Transitional fujiyamasan Jun 17 #107

So you speak for the whole electorate now? Mysterian Jun 17 #110

"I'm all in!" TheProle Jun 16 #36

Didn't she lose to him first? BlueTsunami2018 Jun 16 #37

She did, but it was a completely different scenario MichMan Jun 16 #51

You can come up with all kind of reasons, but she still lost. LisaL Jun 16 #65

I smell deliberate misinformation behind this story designed to weaken and splinter the Democrats. Botany Jun 16 #40

. . . Sympthsical Jun 16 #42

Biden should have Matthew28 Jun 16 #44

I Think You Meant 2023, Right? ProfessorGAC Jun 16 #48

Not at all interested in kacekwl Jun 16 #46

He may have been one part of the reason but he wasn't the sole reason. The media didn't help one bit. chowder66 Jun 16 #47

Not joining this circular firing squad. tavernier Jun 16 #50

After the convention the election was ours to lose sarisataka Jun 16 #52

People like David Axelrod were warning that Kamala had simply gotten something like the kind of temporary, unearned Midwestern Democrat Jun 17 #93

What she actually said Cirsium Jun 16 #53

Thanks. Lies get halfway around the world before truth has a chance to get its pants on nilram Jun 17 #154

Here is the thing: had Joe decided to not run the debate between him and Trump would have never happened Buckeyeblue Jun 16 #54

Or, alternatively, he could aggressively prosecute Trump mr715 Jun 16 #58

Agreed. That too. He could have done both. Buckeyeblue Jun 16 #68

She's not wrong in that. And she is also one of the last people who should be opening their mouth on the subject, RockRaven Jun 16 #57

I just watched the entire interview and this writer's take doesn't quite add up to what she exactly said Quiet Em Jun 16 #60

Hillary did NOT say MorbidButterflyTat Jun 16 #62

This writer's take was bullshit. Quiet Em Jun 16 #64

What really sucks is how many people just take for granted that this bullshit is accurate MorbidButterflyTat Jun 17 #140

Agreed Cirsium Jun 17 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author Nixie Jun 17 #174

Guardian article is Sound Bite journalism. Clickbait. delisen Jun 16 #66

No, I will tell you who is to blame videohead5 Jun 16 #69

. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 16 #70

This is probably like regurgitated pudding. nt BootinUp Jun 16 #74

I support Democrats (Joe) even if Hillary doesn't. gab13by13 Jun 16 #76

I've heard that pattern before Diseases Jun 17 #85

If I get banned for this... Diseases Jun 17 #86

What flavour pizza do you like? niyad Jun 17 #91

Double double Diseases Jun 17 #92

Sounds serious Torchlight Jun 17 #101

An Orwellian pizza designed by the Ministry of Plenty Abolishinist Jun 17 #142

Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Jun 17 #123

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 17 #161

It was perception of her frailties just like Biden. She was basically getting carried on stairs by secret service. Melon Jun 16 #81

Does she mean this election too CNYHarris Jun 17 #83

Joe Biden was not responsible except not exposing trump CNYHarris Jun 17 #84

I don't care, that was rude as hell for her to say! Unrepentant Fenian Jun 17 #87

sigh.... FormerOstrich Jun 17 #94

At the end of the day, Americans didn't rate Biden as an affective president Melon Jun 17 #98

It will be interesting to see how this changes over time fujiyamasan Jun 17 #108

I agree that trump will move lower. Melon Jun 17 #111

Sadly, even if his post presidency approval improves, it's very unlikely to be within his lifetime. fujiyamasan Jun 17 #115

I think you mean effective. LtTx Jun 17 #132

Trump is an affective president. mr715 Jun 17 #144

Yes- He absolutely is! LtTx Jun 17 #148

He's why I need pills. mr715 Jun 17 #150

Kinda stating the obvious at this point fujiyamasan Jun 17 #99

It's a non-issue to me at this point in the game Torchlight Jun 17 #100

I wonder if she has been tested for cognitive abilities recently raccoon Jun 17 #102

It is corporate ownership of the media Easterncedar Jun 17 #105

Hillary Clinton is entitled to her opinion SocialDemocrat61 Jun 17 #112

Post removed Post removed Jun 17 #176

N.O. Clouds Passing Jun 17 #117

Her 'generation' of Dems are why we are where we are TxGuitar Jun 17 #126

Coulda woulda shoulda! Magical thinking, trying to change the path Walleye Jun 17 #127

The Onion... mr715 Jun 17 #152

Not productive. Not at this point... OC375 Jun 17 #129

Among the factors Dems could control, I agree that Joe's decision to run for a 2nd term is the biggest reason we lost Martin Eden Jun 17 #131

She's rehashing because Jill Biden is selling a book... mr715 Jun 17 #145

I agree with her OnionPatch Jun 17 #133

Especially when part of your appeal is humility and honesty mr715 Jun 17 #146

It's hard to disagree. BannonsLiver Jun 17 #134

My response to HRC would be ABC123Easy Jun 17 #136

I saw the NY Times piece about this, and found myself very disappointed with Hillary . . . markpkessinger Jun 17 #138

The media sabotaged the election. Initech Jun 17 #149

I really though Harris ran a hell of a campaign. mr715 Jun 17 #151

Easy to say in hindsight, but looking back there were too many unforced errors MichMan Jun 17 #168

WIth the benefit of hindsight, I agree entirely. mr715 Jun 17 #169

Hello, Hillary? How Do You Account For TRUMP'S FIRST TERM?? 🤔🧐...... ColoringFool Jun 17 #156

And what's your excuse for 2016 Hillary? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 17 #162

VOTERS are to blame. For one, B.See Jun 17 #166

First time I can remember, I think Hillery is wrong. Either way that bell has been rung and we need to be moving on ... marble falls Jun 17 #167

Oh good... Yet another let's blame Dems thread Ohio Joe Jun 17 #175

Nobody should care what Hills thinks about Biden duckworth969 Thursday #177

So is Hillary Clinton mr715 Friday #185

It's Bash Democrats time. This time coming from Hillary. Emile Thursday #178

Exactly. What does she hope to accomplish bringing this up now? Grim Chieftain Friday #183

I wonder how awkward this made yesterday's gathering of the ex-presidents? Buckeyeblue Friday #181

she's absolutely correct ecstatic Friday #182

I think she has a point, but - JustKay Friday #184

Bush/Florida 2000 created Trump DemocracyForever Saturday #188

That isn't what she said. Sparkly Monday #195