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wnylib

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67. I agree that it is about racism, but economics are also a factor.
Sun Jun 21, 2026, 01:33 PM
1 hr ago

White working class Americans tended to be Democrats prior to the Civil Rights movement. In the North, it was due to economics, especially among immigrants and first generation American-born citizens. In the South, it was due to hatred of Republicans during Reconstruction and a determination to keep former enslaved people on the lowest social rungs, or outside of the social system completely through segregation out of defiance against the winners of the Civil War.

When Blacks began to achieve progress in Civil Rights legislation, most White Americans did not know the severity of poverty and lack of educational opportunities for most Black Americans. There were some educated and middle class Blacks, but proportionately not as many as middle class Whites.

Northern Whites looked at the nation from their own perspective. They were segregated by tradition rather than by law as in the South and knew very little about Black experiences from the perspective of Black people. I remember hearing middle and working class Whites saying things like, "My immigrant grandparents didn't demand special treatment. They came here with no money and worked hard to succeed." But, their White grandparents could assimilate, get work, and build on that. They lived in enclaves by choice to be with people of similar cultural backgrounds, not by social segregation. They had upward mobility even if it took a lot of hard work to move up, even if they were looked down on by WASPS if they were Irish or Italian. They also had elected representation in government because they had enclaves of people who voted for one of their own. They were ALLOWED to vote.

Also, it is not true that they made no demands on their own behalf. Immigrants formed unions, similar to guilds that once existed in Europe to look after them from dues they paid. They fought bitter struggles to establish unions, often getting beat up or killed by thugs hired by management. FDR pushed for legal recognition of the right to bargain. But early unions usually excluded Blacks in the North as well as in the South.

Whites knew that Blacks were excluded from most rights of citizenship, but did not take into account that White immigrants could change their names, learn English, and assimilate BECAUSE they looked like other Whites. Blacks could not do that unless they were very light and and could pass themselves off as Italian or southern French or Greek.

Laws, bank policy, real estate policy all worked against Blacks, in addition to no hire policies and no union representation. How do you pull yourself up by your bootstraps if you have no boots?

So working class Whites saw Blacks as a threat when Blacks began to succeed in Civil Rights legislation, voting rights. education, job training and promotions, desegregation of schools and housing. They viewed Blacks as getting help that they didn't get.

When JFK and LBJ successfully pushed legislation for racial equality, Southern Democrats deserted the Dem party, which LBJ predicted would happen. Outside of the South, White working class people said that the Dems had deserted them because of the emphasis that Dems placed on standing solidly with Civil Rights. It was the right thing for Dems to do. But for a few reasons, many White working class people who did not think of themselves as racist, felt that THEY were being unfairly treated. Sensitivity training and experience working with Blacks did help some Whites see beyond their own perspectives. They learned about the effects of suppressing Black people that social prejudices had created.

Those who could not see beyond themselves and their lives became Reagan Republicans and deserted the Dem party. They bought into the Republican spin that minorities and government supportiveness in achieving equality were unfair to Whites and were the cause of every and any problem that White Americans, especially those in the working class, experienced. They pushed stereotyped images that people who demanded equality were lazy and wanted things handed to them.

Working class Whites could feel social prestige by having select groups on a lower rung of society than themselves. They could also benefit financially by keeping "the other" down socially and economically.

They were so consumed by their social and racial views that they did not see what LBJ warned about, that the party who welcomed them was picking their pockets and lying to them.

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Kick dalton99a 5 hrs ago #1
Thank you for posting this. It's the plain truth. n/t Mister Ed 4 hrs ago #2
The American Civil War NEVER ENDED. NoMoreRepugs 4 hrs ago #3
Yup. Ocelot II 4 hrs ago #4
White Working Class includes a lot of others now--given the devastating economy-- so... hlthe2b 4 hrs ago #5
It's a long article, worth the read. yardwork 2 hrs ago #44
I agree that it is about racism, but economics are also a factor. wnylib 1 hr ago #67
Democrats did lose 30% of the young, male, black vote. questionseverything 56 min ago #70
In part because Democrats are now defending gay and trans people. Wednesdays 8 min ago #84
In a sense, "access to power over other racial groups" is still viewed by lower class whites as an economic advantage. sop 4 hrs ago #6
+1 dalton99a 4 hrs ago #11
Great OP malaise 4 hrs ago #7
"I may get screwed over, but the Other, the 'They', they get screwed over even more." ck4829 4 hrs ago #8
I'm white working class. I am not MAGA! I am not racist! Please stop stereotyping. Doodley 4 hrs ago #9
You're right. It would be more accurate to add the modifier "some" before "white working class." sop 4 hrs ago #13
I live in a "working class" neighborhood in metro Detroit. Kid Berwyn 3 hrs ago #22
+1 Auggie 3 hrs ago #32
This message was self-deleted by its author yardwork 2 hrs ago #45
Geez. Nobody is stereotyping. yardwork 2 hrs ago #46
Not sure that "strong majority" of white working class still holds true. Not all white working class KPN 1 hr ago #65
I don't know a single Trump voter who says they regret their vote. yardwork 30 min ago #77
We cannot discuss race without someone being offended Keepthesoulalive 2 hrs ago #49
As a white person I just don't understand the defensiveness. yardwork 2 hrs ago #60
Race is an uncomfortable subject Keepthesoulalive 1 hr ago #64
A lot of Americans cling to our mythology. yardwork 37 min ago #73
I'm white working-class male and I Dr. T 2 hrs ago #51
Good for you Cirsium 33 min ago #76
Spot on ABC123Easy 4 hrs ago #10
Bill Clinton had a chance to change this when he was in the White House FakeNoose 4 hrs ago #12
I can remember a picture of Clinton & Gore with a credit-card type card that would be your access card to Universal NBachers 3 hrs ago #27
Yeah, Clinton's eight years of peace and prosperity comradebillyboy 3 hrs ago #38
If not President Clinton MorbidButterflyTat 28 min ago #78
The majority of white people have voted republican since LBJ Keepthesoulalive 3 hrs ago #39
They started leaving way before Bill Clinion DFW 3 hrs ago #40
Read the essay linked in the OP. yardwork 2 hrs ago #47
No. White working class left in post-civil rights era after the two parties diverged on race, cultural changes. betsuni 2 hrs ago #55
Fox News and hate radio push a steady diet of anti-Black, anti-immigrant messaging. yardwork 2 hrs ago #58
At the gym yesterday .. justsomeguy01 1 hr ago #62
From the Right: "liberals hate white people," other direction: "Dem establishment ignores white working class betsuni 1 hr ago #66
Not true Cirsium 35 min ago #75
While often true, it's not a universal, absolute truth Fiendish Thingy 4 hrs ago #14
But will they continue to vote for the party of progress Keepthesoulalive 1 hr ago #68
Worth reading, and here's the money shot... TygrBright 4 hrs ago #15
When I hear him say make Americkkka great again it's really make racism great again! kimbutgar 4 hrs ago #16
great read. mopinko 4 hrs ago #17
I worked in Greenville MS back in 1989 when Boeing had a plant there KS Toronado 4 hrs ago #18
There is in group discussion Keepthesoulalive 2 hrs ago #59
Really wish more on DU would understand this reality. rogue emissary 4 hrs ago #19
It's a shallow combination of ownership within class identity and fear of unknown competition haele 2 hrs ago #50
Yes, artificial and unnecessary division based on falsehood that Democrats "ignore the working class." betsuni 55 min ago #71
And these beliefs and preferences are very difficult to counter, even with the "right messaging" Redleg 3 hrs ago #20
The story of the white sharecropper poisoning his black sharecropper neighbor's mule come to mind. Squaredeal 3 hrs ago #21
Jeezus. Humans need a reboot. Joinfortmill 3 hrs ago #25
Republicans understand this. SamuelAdams 3 hrs ago #23
dumb, dumber, dumbest Joinfortmill 3 hrs ago #24
I think they need somebody to look down on. zanana1 3 hrs ago #26
I wonder if there's not some of that going on with "us" TheProle 2 hrs ago #57
Sounds like the older part of my family....MAGATs all BeneteauBum 3 hrs ago #28
This is a "duh" headline..white working class vote their hate for "the other"... agingdem 3 hrs ago #29
Not really "duh" since we aren't used to seeing this from the media, at least in the U.S. Redleg 3 hrs ago #30
The Guardian is British paper...our papers/MSM are so terrified of MAGA agingdem 3 hrs ago #35
... Solly Mack 3 hrs ago #31
Worked in an auto plant just West of Detroit. multigraincracker 3 hrs ago #33
We need to go back to colorblind (if we still can) gulliver 3 hrs ago #34
Yes, this is central to understanding the American project and why it has failed. nt Blasphemer 3 hrs ago #36
"Mississippi Burning" duckworth969 3 hrs ago #37
A great movie- I doubt it would be made today, given the kow-towing to Trump Redleg 2 hrs ago #43
It's because of racism we can't have the nice things that folks have in other rich countries. Fil1957 2 hrs ago #41
And yet...guys like Graham Platner, Zohran Mamdani, Abdul El Sayed biocube 2 hrs ago #42
That fact does nothing to refute the point of the OP. yardwork 2 hrs ago #48
And what about brown men with "foreign-sounding names" like Mamdani and El Sayed? biocube 2 hrs ago #54
American Arabs are white adjacent in the minds of many. yardwork 2 hrs ago #56
That's just great. MorbidButterflyTat 19 min ago #82
What is the point? Cirsium 28 min ago #79
Ive pushed back on this for decades Cosmocat 2 hrs ago #52
yes, like Black people have known since forever yobrault1 2 hrs ago #53
While I agree to a point, but it's waaay more complicated than that. paleotn 2 hrs ago #61
We enable that to happen, by ... Bluetus 1 hr ago #63
Noooooo! We Just Need To UNDERSTAND THEM! TALK With Them! Really.....! ColoringFool 59 min ago #69
I live in Pennsylvania and I know plenty of people like that. Alice B. 55 min ago #72
I grew up in rural Ohio and I hear it often from people I grew up with. yardwork 35 min ago #74
People start framing things like, the "Obama Library" MorbidButterflyTat 10 min ago #83
Which is why we will never see a black Republican presidential nominee in our lifetimes. Wednesdays 25 min ago #80
Saida Grundy nails it Cirsium 20 min ago #81
The ruling class uses racism orthoclad 7 min ago #85
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