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Violet_Crumble

(36,387 posts)
35. So my health fund covers woo treatment, and my government regulates woo?
Fri Jan 4, 2013, 05:23 PM
Jan 2013

It's covered under 'alternative treatments', and while I think that this like most alternative treatments is full of bullshit and placebo, I don't get why Americans focus on one over all else. I think it's a waste of money, but don't have a problem with others using it as long as they do it in conjunction with conventional medical treatments. My GP (that's General Practitioner) suggested I give it a try because medication I'm already on to prevent stroke means I can't take hayfever medication and I get severe hayfever. But he's never suggested it for anything else and if he suggested it as a possible replacement treatment for my high blood pressure, I'd walk out and find another doctor. It's when it's promoted as being a replacement to conventional treatment where it's a massive problem.

Anyway, here's the info from my health fund (one of the major health funds in Australia) on what it covers as Extras cover on policies:

Homeopathy


Description


Homeopathy is a system of medicine based on the principle that 'like cures like'. It is a system for treating disease that is based on the administration of minute doses of remedies that in large amounts produce symptoms in healthy people similar to those of the disease itself. This means that the homeopathic medicine deliberately mimics or provokes the symptoms of a persons’ disease in order to strengthen their body’s ability to heal itself.

The remedies are made from plants, minerals, animals and chemicals. They are prepared according to strict guidelines set out in international pharmacopoeias and, in Australia, are under the control of the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA).

You may have seen or heard of "Rescue Remedy", which is an example of a homeopathic remedy.

Treatment


Homeopathic consultations may take up to an hour, however some may only take 15-30 minutes. Information relating to current symptoms and past medical history will be required. Questions about your lifestyle, family, work and stressors may be asked, as well as your diet and sleep patterns.

Physical examinations may be required according to the particular complaint.

A single dose or repeated doses of remedies may be given. Your practitioner will advise the dose and frequency to take them, and will usually recommend a visit at the end of the course to assess its effectiveness. Where illness has developed over a long time, several successive remedies may be needed during the course of weeks, months or years.

Although practitioners advise that remedies can be taken in conjunction with conventional medications, it is always advisable to notify both your homeopath and your doctor of any medicines or remedies you are taking.

Conditions


As homeopathy is a holistic system that aims to strengthen the mind and body against disease, it can be used to help treat a wide array of common and chronic ailments. Homeopaths may be sought for seasonal conditions such as colds, flu and hay-fever as well as a wide range of illnesses including allergies, asthma, eczema, stress, period pains and endometriosis, headaches and respiratory infections. Advocates also claim homeopathy can assist in breaking the negative emotional patterns believed to be the underlying causes of some physical conditions.

This information is a general description only. Call 13 14 63 to check if your nib Health Cover includes homeopathy and the specific treatments nib will pay a benefit for under this service. Please note that if your cover includes this service, nib will only provide benefits for the consultation only. No benefit is payable for any remedies.

nib will only pay benefits for services supplied by nib recognised providers, so make sure that your practitioner is both properly qualified and recognised by nib (ask the service provider or contact nib if you are unsure).

Want to know more about homeopathy? Here's a place to start:

Australian Homeopathic Association


http://www.nib.com.au/home/newtonib/help/pages/extrasglossary.aspx?filter=FtoJ

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Why do people hate science? Freddie Stubbs Jan 2013 #1
Because science says they're going to die cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #2
! csziggy Jan 2013 #34
Calling Homeopathic medicine science is like calling Drahthaardogs Jan 2013 #5
Actually, that's closer to the truth. Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 #53
Because they are STUPID JACKASSES. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #81
They just hate Avogadro FarCenter Jan 2013 #116
Get a grip ip5683 Jan 2013 #3
Of course not. And some alternative medicine bears consideration. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2013 #11
mercola again... SidDithers Jan 2013 #4
Yup zappaman Jan 2013 #6
I think it National Woo Day in GD. FSogol Jan 2013 #10
Yup...nt SidDithers Jan 2013 #12
Mercola is a horrible source obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #18
Mercola...It figures. GoCubsGo Jan 2013 #7
Do harm, or deny *actual* treatment. X_Digger Jan 2013 #20
There's the harm. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #92
If I were to make that call, The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2013 #8
+1 n/t zappaman Jan 2013 #9
+1 obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #14
Good -- hope they vote to ban the woo obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #13
Wasn't one woo thread on this two too many? hobbit709 Jan 2013 #15
woo squared.. twice as effective. n/t X_Digger Jan 2013 #23
More like inverse squared hobbit709 Jan 2013 #25
If you thump it, it's woo infinity! n/t X_Digger Jan 2013 #29
Woo diluted obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #28
No, you need STRONGER woo. RomneyLies Jan 2013 #67
I'll call them and tell them to vote FOR the ban. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #16
okay... FirstLight Jan 2013 #17
Except homeopathy isn't alernative medicine obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #19
Technically, it's water... zappaman Jan 2013 #21
I apologize for my mistake obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #26
is it not essence of bullshit loli phabay Jan 2013 #60
Nope, if it were, then it might actually do something CreekDog Jan 2013 #69
Homeopathy isn't alternative medicine; it's pure quackery. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2013 #31
And there are some here who want to feed their cats a vegan diet Scootaloo Jan 2013 #36
What homeopathy is, for thsoe who don't know obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #22
And no homeopathy woo thread is complete without Mitchell and Webb... SidDithers Jan 2013 #24
hehehe obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #30
Well played! I'll see you and raise you an Amazing Randi! backscatter712 Jan 2013 #89
Is that the homeopathic suicide?... SidDithers Jan 2013 #93
No, it's Randi explaining in hilarious detail how homeopathy works. n/t backscatter712 Jan 2013 #94
Ok will watch tomorrow... SidDithers Jan 2013 #96
Awesome! n/t backscatter712 Jan 2013 #108
Yup RomneyLies Jan 2013 #27
So my health fund covers woo treatment, and my government regulates woo? Violet_Crumble Jan 2013 #35
Then yes, it does cover and fund woo obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #37
But this is a major health fund, not some small alternative type thing... Violet_Crumble Jan 2013 #45
I undeerstand, but hemoepathy is BS Woo obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #46
You might want to look again. TGA can't restrict sale... TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #79
Well I suppose that homeopathic medications are in accord with Hippocrates intaglio Jan 2013 #32
It's just holy water without the holy part. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2013 #33
Ah but has the Holy water undergone succussion? intaglio Jan 2013 #38
Better check with the Pope. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2013 #42
Is he an elastic body?...nt SidDithers Jan 2013 #54
I was just making this info available FirstLight Jan 2013 #39
"You think your attitude and links will change minds?" zappaman Jan 2013 #41
no...i have a broader view of science than most FirstLight Jan 2013 #48
"and just because something isn't mainstream doesn't mean it's bullshit." zappaman Jan 2013 #49
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #51
A broader view of science than most? NickB79 Jan 2013 #58
But if aliens used the Internet, some might use DU... jberryhill Jan 2013 #103
This guy's got a broad view... backscatter712 Jan 2013 #117
People think HIV dosn't cause AIDS -- like your source link obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #47
See post 87. eom RomneyLies Jan 2013 #68
I got plenty of anecdotal stories too. TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #88
The issue goes beyond homeopathy matt819 Jan 2013 #40
well thanks for at least being honest and not an asshole FirstLight Jan 2013 #50
'i did not expect a shitstorm by posting this." zappaman Jan 2013 #56
The FDA Why Syzygy Jan 2013 #43
Mercola is a conservative woo CT website obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #44
HATE Mercola. He's also a Ron Paul booster. Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #114
homeopathy = fairy dust eShirl Jan 2013 #52
OP locked out of their own post? zappaman Jan 2013 #55
... hobbit709 Jan 2013 #57
Wow the hating haters are coming out from under rocks here. Pat Cee Jan 2013 #59
"but he is alive today because of quick treatment with it." zappaman Jan 2013 #61
Your cat is lucky his immune system was able to overcome kidney infection on its own. eShirl Jan 2013 #63
It is fairy dust obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #66
Homeopathy does NOTHING to fight bacterial infections or any other kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #85
The hating haters ms.airomatic Jan 2013 #90
I'm glad the placebo effect is helping you. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #91
It is really an embarrassment Tumbulu Jan 2013 #97
Yes, call and congratulate them for cleaning up the quackery muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #62
I'll call them on Sunday to thank them arcane1 Jan 2013 #64
Good! On the other hand I have a pint of snake oil to sell, any takers? idwiyo Jan 2013 #65
If you turn that into homeopathic snake oil... SidDithers Jan 2013 #70
Hmmm, good idea but don't you think 11x is a little too strong? idwiyo Jan 2013 #73
Better strengthen it. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #119
Homeopathy ms.airomatic Jan 2013 #71
Ahahahahahahah... SidDithers Jan 2013 #72
I love that image! n/t backscatter712 Jan 2013 #110
Vibrations... I bet they are quantum level ones... Or something like that... idwiyo Jan 2013 #74
The fun part of homeopathy... backscatter712 Jan 2013 #118
Astrology has been used for hundreds of years, too. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #87
Thanks, this anti homeopathy group is ridiculous Tumbulu Jan 2013 #98
Human sacrifice to appease gods has been around longer jberryhill Jan 2013 #105
All of you Naysayers should be asshamed of yourselves. kimmerspixelated Jan 2013 #75
I am not sure why it is necessary The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2013 #77
Really???? ms.airomatic Jan 2013 #86
We are supposed to have respectful discourse Tumbulu Jan 2013 #102
Yes, good point! nt Tumbulu Jan 2013 #99
Fuck no, I'm not ashamed of exposing quackery. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #112
Just use tap water, same thing. RedCappedBandit Jan 2013 #76
If you think that magic homeopathic water works, it just might. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2013 #78
Are you a vet The that you know this? ms.airomatic Jan 2013 #84
Please retract your lie. The AVMA is NOT voting to kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #80
i was looking for your reply mrs_p Jan 2013 #83
Thanks! I knew the vote would allow them to lobby Congress at most Warpy Jan 2013 #107
Your post was alerted. I was Juror #6 Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #115
The AVMA is the medical association mrs_p Jan 2013 #82
Homeopathy - there's nothing in it. GoneOffShore Jan 2013 #95
Now, if only we could end the homeopathy bullshit for humans, too Godhumor Jan 2013 #100
never happen eShirl Jan 2013 #101
let me dream, heh Godhumor Jan 2013 #106
This stuff is BULLSHIT and needs to be outlawed Warpy Jan 2013 #104
Homeopathy is pseudoscientific nonsense but I have a great recipe for homeopathic chicken soup slackmaster Jan 2013 #109
Last year for my university skeptic club's Pseudoscience fair, I made homeopathic beer! backscatter712 Jan 2013 #111
Text of my email to AVMA Jim Lane Jan 2013 #113
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