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Jim Lane

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113. Text of my email to AVMA

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 01:09 AM

Jan 2013

On a liberal political message board that I enjoy, someone posted a request that people contact you in opposition to the supposed "ban" on homeopathic treatment for pets. Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022131922

Quite a few people responded by pointing out that homeopathy is unscientific rubbish. (If you bother to go to the thread you'll see references to "woo," which on that site is slang for any belief not grounded in fact.)

I am one pet owner who strongly SUPPORTS the proposal that the AVMA take a stand against subjecting animals to homeopathy. The stuff the homeopaths sell is, itself, probably not harmful (it's just water), but reliance on it may lead some people to forgo genuine treatment for their pets.

Thanks,

Jim Lane

Note to DUers who agree with me. Repeated here for your emailing convenience is the email address from the OP: avmainfo@avma.org

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] FirstLight Jan 2013 OP

Why do people hate science? Freddie Stubbs Jan 2013 #1

Because science says they're going to die cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #2

! csziggy Jan 2013 #34

Calling Homeopathic medicine science is like calling Drahthaardogs Jan 2013 #5

Actually, that's closer to the truth. Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 #53

Because they are STUPID JACKASSES. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #81

They just hate Avogadro FarCenter Jan 2013 #116

Get a grip ip5683 Jan 2013 #3

Of course not. And some alternative medicine bears consideration. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2013 #11

mercola again... SidDithers Jan 2013 #4

Yup zappaman Jan 2013 #6

I think it National Woo Day in GD. FSogol Jan 2013 #10

Yup...nt SidDithers Jan 2013 #12

Mercola is a horrible source obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #18

Mercola...It figures. GoCubsGo Jan 2013 #7

Do harm, or deny *actual* treatment. X_Digger Jan 2013 #20

There's the harm. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #92

If I were to make that call, The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2013 #8

+1 n/t zappaman Jan 2013 #9

+1 obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #14

Good -- hope they vote to ban the woo obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #13

Wasn't one woo thread on this two too many? hobbit709 Jan 2013 #15

woo squared.. twice as effective. n/t X_Digger Jan 2013 #23

More like inverse squared hobbit709 Jan 2013 #25

If you thump it, it's woo infinity! n/t X_Digger Jan 2013 #29

Woo diluted obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #28

No, you need STRONGER woo. RomneyLies Jan 2013 #67

I'll call them and tell them to vote FOR the ban. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #16

okay... FirstLight Jan 2013 #17

Except homeopathy isn't alernative medicine obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #19

Technically, it's water... zappaman Jan 2013 #21

I apologize for my mistake obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #26

is it not essence of bullshit loli phabay Jan 2013 #60

Nope, if it were, then it might actually do something CreekDog Jan 2013 #69

Homeopathy isn't alternative medicine; it's pure quackery. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2013 #31

And there are some here who want to feed their cats a vegan diet Scootaloo Jan 2013 #36

What homeopathy is, for thsoe who don't know obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #22

And no homeopathy woo thread is complete without Mitchell and Webb... SidDithers Jan 2013 #24

hehehe obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #30

Well played! I'll see you and raise you an Amazing Randi! backscatter712 Jan 2013 #89

Is that the homeopathic suicide?... SidDithers Jan 2013 #93

No, it's Randi explaining in hilarious detail how homeopathy works. n/t backscatter712 Jan 2013 #94

Ok will watch tomorrow... SidDithers Jan 2013 #96

Awesome! n/t backscatter712 Jan 2013 #108

Yup RomneyLies Jan 2013 #27

So my health fund covers woo treatment, and my government regulates woo? Violet_Crumble Jan 2013 #35

Then yes, it does cover and fund woo obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #37

But this is a major health fund, not some small alternative type thing... Violet_Crumble Jan 2013 #45

I undeerstand, but hemoepathy is BS Woo obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #46

You might want to look again. TGA can't restrict sale... TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #79

Well I suppose that homeopathic medications are in accord with Hippocrates intaglio Jan 2013 #32

It's just holy water without the holy part. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2013 #33

Ah but has the Holy water undergone succussion? intaglio Jan 2013 #38

Better check with the Pope. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2013 #42

Is he an elastic body?...nt SidDithers Jan 2013 #54

I was just making this info available FirstLight Jan 2013 #39

"You think your attitude and links will change minds?" zappaman Jan 2013 #41

no...i have a broader view of science than most FirstLight Jan 2013 #48

"and just because something isn't mainstream doesn't mean it's bullshit." zappaman Jan 2013 #49

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #51

A broader view of science than most? NickB79 Jan 2013 #58

But if aliens used the Internet, some might use DU... jberryhill Jan 2013 #103

This guy's got a broad view... backscatter712 Jan 2013 #117

People think HIV dosn't cause AIDS -- like your source link obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #47

See post 87. eom RomneyLies Jan 2013 #68

I got plenty of anecdotal stories too. TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #88

The issue goes beyond homeopathy matt819 Jan 2013 #40

well thanks for at least being honest and not an asshole FirstLight Jan 2013 #50

'i did not expect a shitstorm by posting this." zappaman Jan 2013 #56

The FDA Why Syzygy Jan 2013 #43

Mercola is a conservative woo CT website obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #44

HATE Mercola. He's also a Ron Paul booster. Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #114

homeopathy = fairy dust eShirl Jan 2013 #52

OP locked out of their own post? zappaman Jan 2013 #55

... hobbit709 Jan 2013 #57

Wow the hating haters are coming out from under rocks here. Pat Cee Jan 2013 #59

"but he is alive today because of quick treatment with it." zappaman Jan 2013 #61

Your cat is lucky his immune system was able to overcome kidney infection on its own. eShirl Jan 2013 #63

It is fairy dust obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #66

Homeopathy does NOTHING to fight bacterial infections or any other kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #85

The hating haters ms.airomatic Jan 2013 #90

I'm glad the placebo effect is helping you. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #91

It is really an embarrassment Tumbulu Jan 2013 #97

Yes, call and congratulate them for cleaning up the quackery muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #62

I'll call them on Sunday to thank them arcane1 Jan 2013 #64

Good! On the other hand I have a pint of snake oil to sell, any takers? idwiyo Jan 2013 #65

If you turn that into homeopathic snake oil... SidDithers Jan 2013 #70

Hmmm, good idea but don't you think 11x is a little too strong? idwiyo Jan 2013 #73

Better strengthen it. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #119

Homeopathy ms.airomatic Jan 2013 #71

Ahahahahahahah... SidDithers Jan 2013 #72

I love that image! n/t backscatter712 Jan 2013 #110

Vibrations... I bet they are quantum level ones... Or something like that... idwiyo Jan 2013 #74

The fun part of homeopathy... backscatter712 Jan 2013 #118

Astrology has been used for hundreds of years, too. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #87

Thanks, this anti homeopathy group is ridiculous Tumbulu Jan 2013 #98

Human sacrifice to appease gods has been around longer jberryhill Jan 2013 #105

All of you Naysayers should be asshamed of yourselves. kimmerspixelated Jan 2013 #75

I am not sure why it is necessary The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2013 #77

Really???? ms.airomatic Jan 2013 #86

We are supposed to have respectful discourse Tumbulu Jan 2013 #102

Yes, good point! nt Tumbulu Jan 2013 #99

Fuck no, I'm not ashamed of exposing quackery. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #112

Just use tap water, same thing. RedCappedBandit Jan 2013 #76

If you think that magic homeopathic water works, it just might. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2013 #78

Are you a vet The that you know this? ms.airomatic Jan 2013 #84

Please retract your lie. The AVMA is NOT voting to kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #80

i was looking for your reply mrs_p Jan 2013 #83

Thanks! I knew the vote would allow them to lobby Congress at most Warpy Jan 2013 #107

Your post was alerted. I was Juror #6 Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #115

The AVMA is the medical association mrs_p Jan 2013 #82

Homeopathy - there's nothing in it. GoneOffShore Jan 2013 #95

Now, if only we could end the homeopathy bullshit for humans, too Godhumor Jan 2013 #100

never happen eShirl Jan 2013 #101

let me dream, heh Godhumor Jan 2013 #106

This stuff is BULLSHIT and needs to be outlawed Warpy Jan 2013 #104

Homeopathy is pseudoscientific nonsense but I have a great recipe for homeopathic chicken soup slackmaster Jan 2013 #109

Last year for my university skeptic club's Pseudoscience fair, I made homeopathic beer! backscatter712 Jan 2013 #111

Text of my email to AVMA Jim Lane Jan 2013 #113