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MightyMopar

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66. 54% of Americans want stricter gun laws including 59% of women, 56% percent of white men oppose them

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 02:22 AM

Jan 2013

What's so bad about Americans having all these guns? The murder rate is at an all-time low, right? Well, sort of. More like emergency medical treatment efficacy is at an all-time high. As the gun debate reaches a fevered pitch, from Washington to Twitter to Newtown and back again, in the wake of the Sandy Hook school shootings, here is some much needed context:
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20 percent: Amount male ownership of guns has decreased since 1980. White males are a shrinking portion of the electorate. They are the clear targets of gun ads. Here's a Christmas ad for a .223-calibre Bushmaster, the carbine used in the Newtown school shooting, at right.

56 percent: Portion of white men who oppose stricter gun control laws, The Washington Post's Greg Sargent points out. And 53 percent of non-college educated whites oppose such laws.

10 percent: Portion of women who own guns.

54 percent: Portion of Americans who favor stricter gun control laws, according to a new ABC News poll.

59 percent: Portion of women who support stricter gun control laws, ABC finds.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/12/guns-in-america-statistics/60071/

67% of Northeasterners are for stricter gun control and America's most violent region, the Southeast only 46% are for stricter gun regulations. Once again the South lags behind more advanced states and nations.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/12/guns-in-america-statistics/60071/

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The whole gun regulation debate come down to 3 words, white male privilege [View all] MightyMopar Jan 2013 OP

Oh Bullshit. Please stop it. It's racist to try to attach gun rights to caucasian people. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #1

OK. So I gotta ask, are you being ironic here? Robb Jan 2013 #2

The gun lobby's newfound embrace of minorities is as forced and awkward as the Republicans MightyMopar Jan 2013 #9

Good lord! I never saw this before. Charlton is more of a crackpot than I thought! Squinch Jan 2013 #13

Then there's the NRA/ALEC "stand your ground" law that works so well on black teenagers MightyMopar Jan 2013 #40

Just google "NRA comic book" if you want to see gun lobby/NRA/ALEC racial fear mongering MightyMopar Jan 2013 #54

Study shows more whites killed under Stand Your Ground... JoeBlowToo Jan 2013 #80

That article doesn't refute the OP though. It says that homicides in Stand your Ground states Squinch Jan 2013 #93

Delete. Replied to wrong poster. spin Jan 2013 #188

Read a study earlier today Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #156

Thanks for that post. Never knew Heston put it out there so bluntly Number23 Jan 2013 #200

The OP is casting a decidedly race-based set of conclusions upon an otherwise color-free discussion. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #12

You know the thing about privilege. Robb Jan 2013 #35

Well, first.... NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #219

Bravo! Vinnie From Indy Jan 2013 #226

gun ownership is mostly white and male CreekDog Jan 2013 #52

Let me add to that rightsideout Jan 2013 #58

Not exactly. Dr_Scholl Jan 2013 #74

Wrong rl6214 Jan 2013 #77

yours is only an anecdote, mine is based on more than one poll/study CreekDog Jan 2013 #78

I don't see anywhere where you posted any polls or studies, that makes your post rl6214 Jan 2013 #79

yours is still an anecdote and mine is not CreekDog Jan 2013 #81

A graph that doesn't mention ethnicity or gender? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #102

Cute graph...you still haven't posted any facts which makes yours rl6214 Jan 2013 #163

Yes, you are right he is wrong. aptal Jan 2013 #192

Gun ownership is a greater predictor of political party more than many other demographics kwassa Jan 2013 #194

And this has what to do with my post #79? rl6214 Jan 2013 #195

Pointing out the variable of party affiliation, and to look at gender and race that Creek Dog ... kwassa Jan 2013 #196

Did you read the Charlton Heston quote. How could this discusssion possibly be "color free"? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #202

You have it 100% wrong. former9thward Jan 2013 #180

Oh, review your history, please. Robb Jan 2013 #181

Don't try and move the goalposts. former9thward Jan 2013 #184

Are you deliberately obtuse? Robb Jan 2013 #185

You don't know the ideology of the Panthers so don't bother pretending. former9thward Jan 2013 #187

You are intolerable. Go read a book. Robb Jan 2013 #193

Wow! And you call yourself a democrat?? Wow. Just Wow. madinmaryland Jan 2013 #11

How on earth is throwing out the term "white male privilege" a conversationally productive thing? NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #14

Are you serious??? I am fucking speechless. madinmaryland Jan 2013 #26

I like you, madinmaryland. I really do. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #199

It's not racism if it's not a white male heterosexual saying it, Confusious Jan 2013 #51

Okay, how about just "male privilege". whathehell Jan 2013 #101

Are you suggesting there is no such thing as white male privilege in the US? n/t Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #157

This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #160

Did I say that? NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #198

Why is that there can be endless conversations about "what's wrong with black people" Number23 Jan 2013 #201

I don't think most of these people are actual Democrats MightyMopar Jan 2013 #203

I think it just proves what every person of color already knows Number23 Jan 2013 #204

Here's what I think. I think that desperate people fall back on racial arguments when desperatel NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #205

Not that I know what "desperatel" means Number23 Jan 2013 #206

I was, of course, not rewferring to you as desperate... NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #207

The problem is the OP reduction of a major issue to one of race, any race, I don't care. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #228

a lot of us have hurt our jaws asking the same question CreekDog Jan 2013 #53

You type with your jaws??? madinmaryland Jan 2013 #55

How many NRA members are other than White? Give us a break with that BS. Hoyt Jan 2013 #110

me and my wife are as well as most of our African american friends that own guns generalhh Jan 2013 #120

So we have 3 belonging to group (NRA) with board members like Grove Norquist, T Nugent, John Bolton, Hoyt Jan 2013 #121

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #126

Since you describe yourself as a Libertarian, I am not surprised you are a gun apologist. Hoyt Jan 2013 #136

Again with the gun owners = NRA fallacy SQUEE Jan 2013 #209

Talk about the irony here: MrScorpio Jan 2013 #168

Who controls guns in this country has been a debate about race since day one in this country MrScorpio Jan 2013 #170

The only sensible 3 word reply to this is... cbrer Jan 2013 #3

Yes, because there was no gun culture before 2008... Coyote_Tan Jan 2013 #4

I don't understand the reference to 2008. Could you elaborate? Squinch Jan 2013 #16

That's when Obama first won election. alp227 Jan 2013 #62

There was white male loss-of-primacy angst before Obama came on the scene. Squinch Jan 2013 #95

Interesting take. Marinedem Jan 2013 #5

Next to my Lamborghini, pet unicorn and six-pack abs? Robb Jan 2013 #7

They'll claim they belong to ACORN,teach gays how to defend themselves from other gun guys,vote Dem MightyMopar Jan 2013 #10

LOL, whatever. Marinedem Jan 2013 #19

Clearly you faked those photos in the past 10 minutes using secret NRA technology! Kurska Jan 2013 #21

Of course! Marinedem Jan 2013 #25

How dastardly Kurska Jan 2013 #36

Now that you put it that way, it is possible MightyMopar Jan 2013 #179

The pictures came from his website. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #142

Good thing he's gotten TSed. I wonder how long it will take before that BlueCaliDem Jan 2013 #161

Yes they can. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #164

Excellent! eom BlueCaliDem Jan 2013 #189

So he's been PPRd as a troll RetroLounge Jan 2013 #166

What say you now? Kingofalldems Jan 2013 #183

This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog Jan 2013 #130

I really wish you MEN would stop showing women HockeyMom Jan 2013 #175

See my response below. Marinedem Jan 2013 #27

You're *not* a white guy? Robb Jan 2013 #32

His girlfriend isn't Kurska Jan 2013 #38

I guess he'll have to apologize to MarineDem's zombie. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #144

And now that the troll has been PPRd, who are you apologizing to? RetroLounge Jan 2013 #167

Give it up. Marinedem Jan 2013 #42

Now I'm confused. Robb Jan 2013 #59

give it up... you look dimmer with every post stklurker Jan 2013 #61

I'm the one that schooled your trollin ass. Marinedem Jan 2013 #70

3-3 to leave it NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #71

The jury system MIGHT be flawed. Moses2SandyKoufax Jan 2013 #72

Or not sarisataka Jan 2013 #134

You spent two hours convincing some guy on the Internet you really have a girlfriend. Robb Jan 2013 #85

LOL! Gidney N Cloyd Jan 2013 #133

Well, Marinedem posted his pictures below. Looking forward to yours...... (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #28

He sure did. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #145

Hey, knock it off. Ikonoklast Jan 2013 #30

Please accept this sincere proposal of marriage, which has nothing merrily Jan 2013 #39

No worries, they'll tell you she doesn't exist just like they told me I wasn't gay. Kurska Jan 2013 #15

Just Google "pink pistols" and make up your own mind MightyMopar Jan 2013 #20

Make up my mind about whether I exist? Who am I, Ren� Descartes? Kurska Jan 2013 #24

See my response. Marinedem Jan 2013 #22

shouldn't it be "paid" NRA troll infiltrator.......... crazyjoe Jan 2013 #43

Oh yeah I forgot that Kurska Jan 2013 #46

Exactly right. nt onehandle Jan 2013 #6

they are certainly the most paranoid group Skittles Jan 2013 #8

Gawd. Do you have any stats to back this up? Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #17

Yeah, take Adam Lanza's mom for example. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #18

Then there's her son MightyMopar Jan 2013 #23

I want gun control but that OP is a lot of horse shit! upaloopa Jan 2013 #29

Please don't give him any ideas. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #37

I know, right? Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #41

Soooo, I just have to ask... bitchinabluestreak Jan 2013 #31

bitchinabluestreak said: "considered myself a democrat up until the ACA" MightyMopar Jan 2013 #63

You know, the Nazis had little pieces of flair... slackmaster Jan 2013 #33

Bwahaha... that made me laugh out loud. Now I feel terrible. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #47

I disagree and think it is mistake to couch this important issue in these terms... jimlup Jan 2013 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author MightyMopar Jan 2013 #48

My only question is merrily Jan 2013 #44

Interesting OP given that gun control is historically rooted in Jim Crow & Racism. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #45

Sullivan Act (immigrants), Mulford Act (Black Panthers), various Southern "Declared Emergency" acts X_Digger Jan 2013 #49

And black people used to vote Republican and now they don't MightyMopar Jan 2013 #50

lol obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #131

Pistol permits in NC were started to keep Blacks from owning handguns obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #128

Wow, pulling the race card out!? NEG Jan 2013 #56

White male privilege responsible for shooting, professor argues MightyMopar Jan 2013 #57

Adam Lanza's mom was a dude? *mind blown* AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #65

I guess you must have been watching Fox News, her white male son was the mass murderer MightyMopar Jan 2013 #67

Her white male son with known mental health issues, and a history of violence and also AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #69

Hugo Schwyzer is grasping for.... NEG Jan 2013 #125

shallow H2O Man Jan 2013 #60

White people make up 78% of the US population, and commit 46% of the murders. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #64

54% of Americans want stricter gun laws including 59% of women, 56% percent of white men oppose them MightyMopar Jan 2013 #66

+1 virgogal Jan 2013 #176

Wow. Just, wow. flvegan Jan 2013 #68

OK,let's be frank DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #73

What he said! Squinch Jan 2013 #98

honestly because they dont want to the criminals next victim generalhh Jan 2013 #124

lets define some concepts DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #197

Argue the merits of your position rather than insulting those who disagree (nt) Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #75

I live in Texas, the lines I see at local shops are all Hispanic. rl6214 Jan 2013 #76

And North Korea has a cute girl rockband and China now has a more middleclass people than America MightyMopar Jan 2013 #88

Race baiting thread rl6214 Jan 2013 #165

Buying military weapons - opportunity to make a monetary killing.... Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author aikoaiko Jan 2013 #83

Well, when one promises to ban something useful, people who can will tend to hoard. aikoaiko Jan 2013 #84

It's very simple-minded to reduce such a complex issue to a racial/gender stereotype. nt bemildred Jan 2013 #86

In the future the political bogeyman won't be the black man but the white guy with guns MightyMopar Jan 2013 #87

Thanks for clearing that up Nostradamus. bemildred Jan 2013 #91

Sure, but stereotypes are not entirely useless. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #90

How do you feel about applying that notion to gay stereotypes???? nt bemildred Jan 2013 #92

It depends on why one would be doing this. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #94

Statistical research is not stereotypes. bemildred Jan 2013 #96

Read "and the band played on" and the great bath house wars of the early 80s. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #97

No, that was understanding real gay culture, which was necessary. bemildred Jan 2013 #100

Well said, bemildred. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #210

Why thank you. bemildred Jan 2013 #211

You leave out the gangs who are mostly male but also brown, black and white. upaloopa Jan 2013 #103

Urban gun ownership rates, non white gun ownership rates are very low Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #105

You are fucking lame. I was a rural white man gun owner. We had single action pistols, shot guns upaloopa Jan 2013 #107

There is a violent gang culture that isn't hack89 Jan 2013 #119

My great grandmother owned, as did my grandmother, as did my mother, and I do too. TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #89

So in otherwords; credit card debt can be surmised by white female privilidge... Earth_First Jan 2013 #99

Not really true OccupyManny Jan 2013 #104

Agree With OP - White Male Privilege Is A Significant Obstacle To Outlawing Guns In America cantbeserious Jan 2013 #106

bullshit. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #108

Yahoos lined up at Atlanta gun show to buy assault weapons only one week after Sandy Hook Hoyt Jan 2013 #109

Over 2100 views, 110 replies, but not a ... 99Forever Jan 2013 #111

15 recs MightyMopar Jan 2013 #112

My bad... 99Forever Jan 2013 #114

Happiness is a warm gun! MightyMopar Jan 2013 #182

Did anyone in this thread actually look up any statistics gollygee Jan 2013 #113

Thanks for the graph. Interesting stats... TeeYiYi Jan 2013 #122

You mean other races can't buy firearms? ileus Jan 2013 #115

I guess those black people with a gun are white. musical_soul Jan 2013 #116

Young African American Male. College Educated, Small businessman, very involved in commuinty generalhh Jan 2013 #117

And every word of it true. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #148

What a load of s^^t. tradecenter Jan 2013 #118

So you are saying white male previlege has no political implications in this debate? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #127

MightyMopar..... NEG Jan 2013 #132

Exactly! tradecenter Jan 2013 #137

And yet another Gungeon troll billh58 Jan 2013 #146

So what was your last user name on this website? UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #150

What's that supposed to mean? tradecenter Jan 2013 #169

good observation samsingh Jan 2013 #123

I'm a lesbian and a lefty obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #129

BUT Berserker Jan 2013 #135

NOT A SINGLE POST TO DISPROVE THAT GUN OWNERSHIP ISN'T OVERWHELMINGLY WHITE MALE MightyMopar Jan 2013 #138

I GUESS THAT SAYS IT ALL Berserker Jan 2013 #140

Using Romney's pollster you're right but whites aren't a majority anymore MightyMopar Jan 2013 #141

Bullshit, mopar Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #139

So you are armed billh58 Jan 2013 #147

Ummmm... Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #149

So you "reasonably" expect to be invaded by our government? billh58 Jan 2013 #151

Explain to me... Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #153

I didn't say that you should put billh58 Jan 2013 #154

We are not... Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #155

Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #162

Bury my Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #171

Thanks for the correction nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #172

and yet you think I as a Jew am paranoid or ... SQUEE Jan 2013 #212

And many of us have said never again to genocide nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #213

Jew card..Hardly SQUEE Jan 2013 #214

Point to any progromm in US history nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #215

in deference to the flu I will assume you meant Pogrom. SQUEE Jan 2013 #216

You do that nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #217

first so we are on the same page SQUEE Jan 2013 #218

Second, so we are on the same page nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #220

Given US history (why you are) nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #158

Lets see what Michael Moore has to say about this AZ Progressive Jan 2013 #143

And women who think a gun makes them SEXY to gun toting men HockeyMom Jan 2013 #152

Race is a component, at least in some regions. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #159

Think about this. If African Americans were walking around with guns hanging off their madinmaryland Jan 2013 #173

Why I said it is nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #174

It is actually a component everywhere in this country. madinmaryland Jan 2013 #178

having toys=freedom fascisthunter Jan 2013 #177

Apparently all the squirrels aren't in the woods today. nt Remmah2 Jan 2013 #186

People are throwing hissy fits about your OP, did you know that? 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #190

It's just constructive dialogue, can't leave white male privilege out of the discussion MightyMopar Jan 2013 #191

You aren't a bigot. But reducing the gun debate to those three words is a bigoted concept. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #208

This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #221

Correlation is not causation. The OP is bigoted race-baiting flamebait. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #222

This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #223

The failure of your replies is this: NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #224

This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #225

The WHOLE gun debate is about white, male privilege? Vinnie From Indy Jan 2013 #227