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In reply to the discussion: We just fucking cannibalize each other fucking ourselves over and over. [View all]
ColoringFool
(1,459 posts)57. IMHO, Democrats overestimate everything about the voting public:.....
Intelligence; Knowledge; Education; Persuasiveness; Attention Span; Perspicacity; Political Involvement; Economic Self-Interest; and Empathy.
Thus, to try to distinguish the term "Democratic Socialist" from "Communist" is, in terms of our elections, folly.
If this comes across as condescending, I draw your attention to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, D C.
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We just fucking cannibalize each other fucking ourselves over and over. [View all]
boston bean
12 hrs ago
OP
But I think it's just the word. Run on the platform and people will be fine with it. The policies all poll
Scrivener7
11 hrs ago
#1
If we must have tags, progressive is as good as any to step to the left of center.
Magoo48
9 hrs ago
#50
Ditching the label is going to be hard. The reich wing media is running with it like and Olympic sprinter
Cheezoholic
9 hrs ago
#81
It's the damn purity tests. And I won't vote for this or that person because......
boston bean
11 hrs ago
#7
100%. Thank you. Democrats need to stop blaming others for past failures and adapt to realities. For God's sake, we
KPN
7 hrs ago
#154
Too many words. I am sorry but you will say all of these and your listeners eyes will glaze over
question everything
10 hrs ago
#33
I was listing the policies the Social Democrats are pushing (as are most Democrats), not a campaign slogan.
Scrivener7
10 hrs ago
#43
Because "democrats" didn't vote democratic or didn't vote due to progressive purity.
boston bean
11 hrs ago
#6
And many who supported Sanders in 2016 voted for Trump. Both offered the same thing
question everything
10 hrs ago
#37
Analyzing how Bernie Sanders supporters voted in the 2016 General Election by Brian Schaffner, Tufts University
question everything
6 hrs ago
#181
Also I think if you arent personal friends with somebody, referring to them by their last name is proper
SSJVegeta
9 hrs ago
#84
I agree with you that the nomination should not have been stolen from Bernie.
yellow dahlia
7 hrs ago
#145
Sanders: "I wouldn't use the word rigged, because we knew what the rules were -- but what
betsuni
5 hrs ago
#213
That interview w/ Bernie was before the leaked emails that were revealed in July and November 2016.
yellow dahlia
4 hrs ago
#221
Sanders: "If they went into our emails I'm sure there would be statements that would
betsuni
4 min ago
#249
The DNC conspired so that Bernie wouldn't get the nomination, in the primary.
yellow dahlia
1 hr ago
#240
It's called voting. Conspiracy theories about rigging and plots oppressing "victims" is a problem.
betsuni
6 hrs ago
#186
We lost the Supreme Court because of that "purity". "Conscience" is not the same thing
lostincalifornia
9 hrs ago
#67
The Supreme Court WAS lost due to "purity testing" - just not the way you think.
AloeVera
5 hrs ago
#206
The article does not say that Democrats were driven by conscience, and so pissed off that Bernie didn't get the
yellow dahlia
6 hrs ago
#197
The point I'm making is - bitter Dems DID NOT cost Hillary Clinton the election.
yellow dahlia
6 hrs ago
#201
That is not the primary point. The NPR article DID NOT claim that bitter Dems cost Hillary Clinton the election.
yellow dahlia
5 hrs ago
#209
I have to agree with boston bean in that I'm sick of people on our side not understanding what a vote actually is.
Scrivener7
9 hrs ago
#49
Michigan voters who didn't vote chose a bus that took them to Wyoming then blew up with them inside it.
Scrivener7
8 hrs ago
#125
But if 100% of the growth is in the suburbs, maybe it's time to extend the circle line.
meadowlander
9 hrs ago
#79
The OP is about something happening now, not "people on our side not understanding what a vote actually is"
muriel_volestrangler
9 hrs ago
#90
I'm concerned about future ones. Because it has happened in every previous one I can think of.
Scrivener7
9 hrs ago
#100
So you're happy with a pre-emptive "fuck the other people on the left" OP?
muriel_volestrangler
9 hrs ago
#105
I don't really know what you're on about. No, I'm not refighting anything. And that's not how I read the OP.
Scrivener7
8 hrs ago
#107
Oh it's refighting? It's not just recalling or what one calls remembering?
boston bean
7 hrs ago
#151
Yes, when you accuse your opponents of "cannibalizing" the party,
muriel_volestrangler
7 hrs ago
#156
Obama was exceptional. Clinton was highly competent BUT had both sides dragging her down, ALONG WITH
RandomNumbers
10 hrs ago
#21
The vocal far left from the big cities is the voice we get labeled with and costs us votes.
Melon
11 hrs ago
#10
No. My beliefs have been very similar since post college with slight adjustments.
Melon
8 hrs ago
#138
According to your post #10, the spectrum in the Democratic party is all the way from "moderate" to "conservative"
muriel_volestrangler
8 hrs ago
#140
Which self identified democratic socialist has announced a run for president?
muriel_volestrangler
10 hrs ago
#16
That's a lot of "what ifs" for people to be "sick of this fucking shit" over 2 years before (nt)
muriel_volestrangler
1 hr ago
#242
Suspect it's Mamdani-backed candidates winning in the New York primaries
meadowlander
10 hrs ago
#39
I agree with " we should be running the candidate that can win the district"
muriel_volestrangler
9 hrs ago
#63
The OP is largely refering to primary challenges. Not whether dems are supported.
SSJVegeta
9 hrs ago
#59
The OP was talking about electing a president and not tearing down Democrats.
W_HAMILTON
9 hrs ago
#65
"Tearing down" seemed to mean being democratic socialist. And came with few specifics
SSJVegeta
9 hrs ago
#71
The existential threat to labor and young people by AI and robotics in the next ten years
meadowlander
10 hrs ago
#36
I believe the destruction that followed the 2016 election is circumstantial evidence that
yellow dahlia
7 hrs ago
#172
It is pathetic. Have we forgotten 2000, 2016, and 2024? We lost at those critical times
lostincalifornia
9 hrs ago
#48
Democratic voters are being influenced by third parties, such as the Green Party and Party for Socialism and Liberation.
LeftInTX
3 hrs ago
#231
People are told that Democrats aren't progressive -- labeling them establishment/centrist/corporatist, etc. .
betsuni
9 hrs ago
#52
Nobody in the Democratic party was talking about universal health care or raising the minimum wage before Bernie was.
meadowlander
9 hrs ago
#61
No. Ted Kennedy had been saying health care is a right, not a privilege since the '70s.
betsuni
8 hrs ago
#106
She was responsible for the Children's Health Insurance Program too, which nobody seems to know.
betsuni
1 hr ago
#241
Yes, new definition of universal health care is Medicare for All only as purity test.
betsuni
8 hrs ago
#128
Vermont was literally the reddest state in the country until it elected Bernie.And it still elects republicans regularly
SSJVegeta
9 hrs ago
#53
The focus should be on the GOP and not anyone of any persuasion that identifies as a Democrat.
walkingman
9 hrs ago
#60
And we can't just sit by while the fucking Heritage Foundation takes a wrecking ball to our rights and freedoms.
Initech
8 hrs ago
#120
I understand where you are coming from and feel/think we should call progressive Democrats, FDR Democrats.
cksmithy
8 hrs ago
#133
Calling someone an "FDR Democrat" is incredibly backward-looking
muriel_volestrangler
7 hrs ago
#153
I'm personally a progressive, but also pragmatic. Despite what some people believe, we are basically a
Raftergirl
7 hrs ago
#155
If you see the political struggle in the US as Left vs Right then you are part of the PROBLEM
Tim S
5 hrs ago
#212
"Democratic Socialists recognize it and want change to rebalance things."
Buddyzbuddy
3 hrs ago
#230
I'm watching the Michigan senate race. It looks like El-Sayed will win the primary.
LeftInTX
3 hrs ago
#227