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In reply to the discussion: We just fucking cannibalize each other fucking ourselves over and over. [View all]question everything
(52,702 posts)181. Analyzing how Bernie Sanders supporters voted in the 2016 General Election by Brian Schaffner, Tufts University
https://sites.google.com/view/brianfschaffner/reports/how-sanders-supporters-behaved-in-the-2016-general-election
A detailed analysis with a lot of statistical reports.
Here is what I picked
In 2016, Bernie Sanders narrowly lost a closely contested Democratic presidential nomination to Hillary Clinton. As often happens after a close nomination race, there was much speculation about whether Bernie Sanders supporters would either not turn out or would even choose to vote for Donald Trump in November. Here I use the 2016 Cooperative Congressional Election Study (CCES) to investigate what Sanders supporters actually did in the general election. The CCES is ideal for such an analysis because (1) it is a large survey that provides a sufficient sample size for such an analysis and (2) respondents are matched to voter file records so that we can identify who actually voted in the primaries and general elections.
I begin by opening the data and setting the appropriate weights in Stata. This dataset can be downloaded from the CCES dataverse at this url: https://dataverse.harvard.edu/dataset.xhtml?persistentId=doi%3A10.7910/DVN/GDF6Z0
Now lets graph the percentage of Sanderss voters voted for Trump, Clinton, some other candidate, or did not turn out in November 2016. I also tabulate the data to show the proportions clearly for each group. About 12% of Sanders voters cast a vote for Trump in the November general election.
Lets turn to understanding a bit more about these Sanders supporters. First, how does this relate to partisanship. Here I show the partisan breakdown of Sanderss supporters based on how they voted in the 2016 general election. Notably, Sanders voters who then voted for Trump were much more likely to identify as independents or Republicans compared to those who voted for Clinton. Thus, many of these individuals were already somewhat detached from the Democratic Party.

A detailed analysis with a lot of statistical reports.
Here is what I picked
In 2016, Bernie Sanders narrowly lost a closely contested Democratic presidential nomination to Hillary Clinton. As often happens after a close nomination race, there was much speculation about whether Bernie Sanders supporters would either not turn out or would even choose to vote for Donald Trump in November. Here I use the 2016 Cooperative Congressional Election Study (CCES) to investigate what Sanders supporters actually did in the general election. The CCES is ideal for such an analysis because (1) it is a large survey that provides a sufficient sample size for such an analysis and (2) respondents are matched to voter file records so that we can identify who actually voted in the primaries and general elections.
I begin by opening the data and setting the appropriate weights in Stata. This dataset can be downloaded from the CCES dataverse at this url: https://dataverse.harvard.edu/dataset.xhtml?persistentId=doi%3A10.7910/DVN/GDF6Z0
Now lets graph the percentage of Sanderss voters voted for Trump, Clinton, some other candidate, or did not turn out in November 2016. I also tabulate the data to show the proportions clearly for each group. About 12% of Sanders voters cast a vote for Trump in the November general election.
Lets turn to understanding a bit more about these Sanders supporters. First, how does this relate to partisanship. Here I show the partisan breakdown of Sanderss supporters based on how they voted in the 2016 general election. Notably, Sanders voters who then voted for Trump were much more likely to identify as independents or Republicans compared to those who voted for Clinton. Thus, many of these individuals were already somewhat detached from the Democratic Party.

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We just fucking cannibalize each other fucking ourselves over and over. [View all]
boston bean
16 hrs ago
OP
But I think it's just the word. Run on the platform and people will be fine with it. The policies all poll
Scrivener7
16 hrs ago
#1
If we must have tags, progressive is as good as any to step to the left of center.
Magoo48
14 hrs ago
#50
Ditching the label is going to be hard. The reich wing media is running with it like and Olympic sprinter
Cheezoholic
14 hrs ago
#81
It's the damn purity tests. And I won't vote for this or that person because......
boston bean
15 hrs ago
#7
100%. Thank you. Democrats need to stop blaming others for past failures and adapt to realities. For God's sake, we
KPN
12 hrs ago
#154
Too many words. I am sorry but you will say all of these and your listeners eyes will glaze over
question everything
15 hrs ago
#33
I was listing the policies the Social Democrats are pushing (as are most Democrats), not a campaign slogan.
Scrivener7
14 hrs ago
#43
Because "democrats" didn't vote democratic or didn't vote due to progressive purity.
boston bean
15 hrs ago
#6
And many who supported Sanders in 2016 voted for Trump. Both offered the same thing
question everything
14 hrs ago
#37
Analyzing how Bernie Sanders supporters voted in the 2016 General Election by Brian Schaffner, Tufts University
question everything
11 hrs ago
#181
Also I think if you arent personal friends with somebody, referring to them by their last name is proper
SSJVegeta
14 hrs ago
#84
I agree with you that the nomination should not have been stolen from Bernie.
yellow dahlia
12 hrs ago
#145
Sanders: "I wouldn't use the word rigged, because we knew what the rules were -- but what
betsuni
10 hrs ago
#213
That interview w/ Bernie was before the leaked emails that were revealed in July and November 2016.
yellow dahlia
8 hrs ago
#221
Sanders: "If they went into our emails I'm sure there would be statements that would
betsuni
4 hrs ago
#249
The DNC conspired so that Bernie wouldn't get the nomination, in the primary.
yellow dahlia
6 hrs ago
#240
The super - delegates are not determined by the will of the people - on the contrary.
yellow dahlia
4 hrs ago
#250
"Sanders could not have possibly won the nomination after May 3 -- at that point, he needed 984
betsuni
3 hrs ago
#259
Yes the lawsuit was thrown out, due to lack of standing. The judge said the DNC did indeed undermine
yellow dahlia
3 hrs ago
#256
It's called voting. Conspiracy theories about rigging and plots oppressing "victims" is a problem.
betsuni
11 hrs ago
#186
We lost the Supreme Court because of that "purity". "Conscience" is not the same thing
lostincalifornia
14 hrs ago
#67
The Supreme Court WAS lost due to "purity testing" - just not the way you think.
AloeVera
10 hrs ago
#206
The article does not say that Democrats were driven by conscience, and so pissed off that Bernie didn't get the
yellow dahlia
10 hrs ago
#197
The point I'm making is - bitter Dems DID NOT cost Hillary Clinton the election.
yellow dahlia
10 hrs ago
#201
That is not the primary point. The NPR article DID NOT claim that bitter Dems cost Hillary Clinton the election.
yellow dahlia
10 hrs ago
#209
I have to agree with boston bean in that I'm sick of people on our side not understanding what a vote actually is.
Scrivener7
14 hrs ago
#49
Michigan voters who didn't vote chose a bus that took them to Wyoming then blew up with them inside it.
Scrivener7
13 hrs ago
#125
But if 100% of the growth is in the suburbs, maybe it's time to extend the circle line.
meadowlander
14 hrs ago
#79
The OP is about something happening now, not "people on our side not understanding what a vote actually is"
muriel_volestrangler
14 hrs ago
#90
I'm concerned about future ones. Because it has happened in every previous one I can think of.
Scrivener7
13 hrs ago
#100
So you're happy with a pre-emptive "fuck the other people on the left" OP?
muriel_volestrangler
13 hrs ago
#105
I don't really know what you're on about. No, I'm not refighting anything. And that's not how I read the OP.
Scrivener7
13 hrs ago
#107
Oh it's refighting? It's not just recalling or what one calls remembering?
boston bean
12 hrs ago
#151
Yes, when you accuse your opponents of "cannibalizing" the party,
muriel_volestrangler
12 hrs ago
#156
Some meaningful writing in the OP would have been very helpful.
muriel_volestrangler
12 hrs ago
#161
Obama was exceptional. Clinton was highly competent BUT had both sides dragging her down, ALONG WITH
RandomNumbers
15 hrs ago
#21
The vocal far left from the big cities is the voice we get labeled with and costs us votes.
Melon
15 hrs ago
#10
No. My beliefs have been very similar since post college with slight adjustments.
Melon
12 hrs ago
#138
According to your post #10, the spectrum in the Democratic party is all the way from "moderate" to "conservative"
muriel_volestrangler
12 hrs ago
#140
Which self identified democratic socialist has announced a run for president?
muriel_volestrangler
15 hrs ago
#16
That's a lot of "what ifs" for people to be "sick of this fucking shit" over 2 years before (nt)
muriel_volestrangler
6 hrs ago
#242
Suspect it's Mamdani-backed candidates winning in the New York primaries
meadowlander
14 hrs ago
#39
I agree with " we should be running the candidate that can win the district"
muriel_volestrangler
14 hrs ago
#63
I agree with you. I'm hoping that someone who recommended the OP
muriel_volestrangler
14 hrs ago
#78
The OP is largely refering to primary challenges. Not whether dems are supported.
SSJVegeta
14 hrs ago
#59
The OP was talking about electing a president and not tearing down Democrats.
W_HAMILTON
14 hrs ago
#65
"Tearing down" seemed to mean being democratic socialist. And came with few specifics
SSJVegeta
14 hrs ago
#71
The existential threat to labor and young people by AI and robotics in the next ten years
meadowlander
14 hrs ago
#36
I believe the destruction that followed the 2016 election is circumstantial evidence that
yellow dahlia
11 hrs ago
#172
It is pathetic. Have we forgotten 2000, 2016, and 2024? We lost at those critical times
lostincalifornia
14 hrs ago
#48
Democratic voters are being influenced by third parties, such as the Green Party and Party for Socialism and Liberation.
LeftInTX
8 hrs ago
#231
"Destroy" becomes "transform" because it sounds nicer, but it means destroy and punish, ends justify the means.
betsuni
2 hrs ago
#260
People are told that Democrats aren't progressive -- labeling them establishment/centrist/corporatist, etc. .
betsuni
14 hrs ago
#52
Nobody in the Democratic party was talking about universal health care or raising the minimum wage before Bernie was.
meadowlander
14 hrs ago
#61
No. Ted Kennedy had been saying health care is a right, not a privilege since the '70s.
betsuni
13 hrs ago
#106
She was responsible for the Children's Health Insurance Program too, which nobody seems to know.
betsuni
6 hrs ago
#241
Yes, new definition of universal health care is Medicare for All only as purity test.
betsuni
13 hrs ago
#128
Vermont was literally the reddest state in the country until it elected Bernie.And it still elects republicans regularly
SSJVegeta
14 hrs ago
#53
The focus should be on the GOP and not anyone of any persuasion that identifies as a Democrat.
walkingman
14 hrs ago
#60
And we can't just sit by while the fucking Heritage Foundation takes a wrecking ball to our rights and freedoms.
Initech
13 hrs ago
#120
I understand where you are coming from and feel/think we should call progressive Democrats, FDR Democrats.
cksmithy
12 hrs ago
#133
Calling someone an "FDR Democrat" is incredibly backward-looking
muriel_volestrangler
12 hrs ago
#153
I'm personally a progressive, but also pragmatic. Despite what some people believe, we are basically a
Raftergirl
12 hrs ago
#155
If you see the political struggle in the US as Left vs Right then you are part of the PROBLEM
Tim S
10 hrs ago
#212
"Democratic Socialists recognize it and want change to rebalance things."
Buddyzbuddy
8 hrs ago
#230
I'm watching the Michigan senate race. It looks like El-Sayed will win the primary.
LeftInTX
8 hrs ago
#227