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235. I'm not saying it's right or wrong

Sun Jul 5, 2026, 10:11 PM

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But as I understand it, the solution, as you seem to propose, is for progressives to shut up and fall in line and stop complaining about healthcare and insider trading and apparently Internet freedom?
I say that because the Democratic Party associated (not sponsored or formally endorsed by the DNC) "Project 2029" in which they told the world that their number one priority as the first released proposal, that we as Democrats want to do as soon as we are in power again, is very literally a Republican proposal that would limit Internet freedom, stifle free speech and hand over our personal data and Internet history to Republican controlled corporations like Palantir.

Reference: https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/democrats-first-project-2029-proposal-181716719.html

At the end of the day all progressives want is for government to work as well for regular people as it does for corporations and billionaires. Why is that so controversial?

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We just fucking cannibalize each other fucking ourselves over and over. [View all] boston bean 12 hrs ago OP

But I think it's just the word. Run on the platform and people will be fine with it. The policies all poll Scrivener7 11 hrs ago #1

Right on. Run on the principles and ditch the label. Ocelot II 11 hrs ago #2

If we must have tags, progressive is as good as any to step to the left of center. Magoo48 9 hrs ago #50

Ditching the label is going to be hard. The reich wing media is running with it like and Olympic sprinter Cheezoholic 9 hrs ago #81

Completely agree Lategame 11 hrs ago #5

I agree Felicita 10 hrs ago #31

It's the damn purity tests. And I won't vote for this or that person because...... boston bean 11 hrs ago #7

Purity testing has been the bane of Democrats. Lategame 10 hrs ago #13

The " no purity test" talking points angrychair 10 hrs ago #41

Umm no. No no no no. boston bean 9 hrs ago #54

100%. Thank you. Democrats need to stop blaming others for past failures and adapt to realities. For God's sake, we KPN 7 hrs ago #154

It not the discussion we are talking about creeksneakers2 7 hrs ago #160

Yes, we "vagina voters." How dare we vote for HRC and VP Harris? mcar 8 hrs ago #110

Importantly shore up Social Security as part of a platform. Prairie_Seagull 10 hrs ago #24

Too many words. I am sorry but you will say all of these and your listeners eyes will glaze over question everything 10 hrs ago #33

I was listing the policies the Social Democrats are pushing (as are most Democrats), not a campaign slogan. Scrivener7 10 hrs ago #43

The problem is not capitalism Soul_of_Wit 9 hrs ago #47

I would add to that the: Corruption, Cruelty and Chaos!! Ars Longa 7 hrs ago #165

My Economics Professor Who Was A Republican BlueKota 2 hrs ago #233

I hate capitalism I_UndergroundPanther 6 hrs ago #187

DSA is not a political party Soul_of_Wit 10 hrs ago #45

Looking at it as a big tent is the way for the Dem party to thrive. yellow dahlia 8 hrs ago #136

Recommended! hamsterjill 9 hrs ago #46

The hardest part isn't the messaging, it's the money mdbl 9 hrs ago #68

Your point is valid. hamsterjill 9 hrs ago #98

The purity tests should end with the primaries mdbl 9 hrs ago #80

SELF destructive. And really ignorant. Scrivener7 9 hrs ago #103

+1 leftstreet 1 hr ago #243

Neither of us know who this country will or won't elect -misanthroptimist 11 hrs ago #3

Because "democrats" didn't vote democratic or didn't vote due to progressive purity. boston bean 11 hrs ago #6

You're sick of people voting their conscience? -misanthroptimist 11 hrs ago #11

Yes their pure conscience helped bring us us mango Mussolini. boston bean 10 hrs ago #15

Really? -misanthroptimist 10 hrs ago #22

The two times we lost we had coronations. Gore1FL 10 hrs ago #26

Or women candidates Blaukraut 10 hrs ago #29

And many who supported Sanders in 2016 voted for Trump. Both offered the same thing question everything 10 hrs ago #37

Only those lacking a BS detector would equate Sanders and Donald (n/m) Soul_of_Wit 10 hrs ago #42

Not today. But in 2016 many did question everything 10 hrs ago #44

And they lacked a BS detector in 2016 (n/m) Soul_of_Wit 9 hrs ago #62

How many? Link to a poll, please (nt) muriel_volestrangler 9 hrs ago #82

You can read up on it here. sheshe2 8 hrs ago #137

Thank you. My cynicism was wrong. (nt) muriel_volestrangler 7 hrs ago #143

Not sure about that. AloeVera 5 hrs ago #215

Analyzing how Bernie Sanders supporters voted in the 2016 General Election by Brian Schaffner, Tufts University question everything 6 hrs ago #181

Post removed Post removed 9 hrs ago #73

Her name is Hillary. mr715 9 hrs ago #77

Also I think if you arent personal friends with somebody, referring to them by their last name is proper SSJVegeta 9 hrs ago #84

I prefer Secretary and Senator Clinton. mr715 9 hrs ago #89

Truth SSJVegeta 9 hrs ago #91

Huh? TVguyCards 7 hrs ago #147

Sanders: "they turned to Trump because Trump said things that made sense." betsuni 7 hrs ago #176

I do not believe that either Hillary Clinton or Kamala Harris lost. yellow dahlia 7 hrs ago #149

That is simply false mcar 8 hrs ago #115

I agree with you that the nomination should not have been stolen from Bernie. yellow dahlia 7 hrs ago #145

The DNC did not rig anything. creeksneakers2 7 hrs ago #174

Sanders: "I wouldn't use the word rigged, because we knew what the rules were -- but what betsuni 5 hrs ago #213

That interview w/ Bernie was before the leaked emails that were revealed in July and November 2016. yellow dahlia 4 hrs ago #221

Sanders: "If they went into our emails I'm sure there would be statements that would betsuni 4 min ago #249

What are you talking about? mcar 4 hrs ago #220

This is what I am talking about. yellow dahlia 4 hrs ago #222

That didn't change the popular vote iemanja 1 hr ago #236

The DNC conspired so that Bernie wouldn't get the nomination, in the primary. yellow dahlia 1 hr ago #240

She got the popular vote in the primary iemanja 1 hr ago #244

The primaries and nomination involve more than just the popular vote. yellow dahlia 49 min ago #246

I've stated the facts iemanja 32 min ago #248

It's called voting. Conspiracy theories about rigging and plots oppressing "victims" is a problem. betsuni 6 hrs ago #186

We lost the Supreme Court because of that "purity". "Conscience" is not the same thing lostincalifornia 9 hrs ago #67

The Supreme Court WAS lost due to "purity testing" - just not the way you think. AloeVera 5 hrs ago #206

I disagree with your use of the word "fact". yellow dahlia 8 hrs ago #139

Best evidence possible creeksneakers2 6 hrs ago #182

The article does not say that Democrats were driven by conscience, and so pissed off that Bernie didn't get the yellow dahlia 6 hrs ago #197

Its not the only time it ever happened creeksneakers2 6 hrs ago #199

The point I'm making is - bitter Dems DID NOT cost Hillary Clinton the election. yellow dahlia 6 hrs ago #201

I've never seen any evidence of any election fraud. creeksneakers2 6 hrs ago #203

That is not the primary point. The NPR article DID NOT claim that bitter Dems cost Hillary Clinton the election. yellow dahlia 5 hrs ago #209

fine creeksneakers2 5 hrs ago #211

I have to agree with boston bean in that I'm sick of people on our side not understanding what a vote actually is. Scrivener7 9 hrs ago #49

You're going to be sick a long time -misanthroptimist 9 hrs ago #58

Require Civics class in high school. Scrivener7 9 hrs ago #99

There are limits -misanthroptimist 8 hrs ago #123

Michigan voters who didn't vote chose a bus that took them to Wyoming then blew up with them inside it. Scrivener7 8 hrs ago #125

Hypothetically -misanthroptimist 8 hrs ago #132

When that situation arises, we can talk about it. Scrivener7 8 hrs ago #135

Then it wouldn't be hypothetical, right? -misanthroptimist 8 hrs ago #141

You do you. Scrivener7 7 hrs ago #142

I'm irrelevant -misanthroptimist 7 hrs ago #144

I hope they take a good look at the result of their choice creeksneakers2 6 hrs ago #185

Some will -misanthroptimist 6 hrs ago #195

I hope so. creeksneakers2 6 hrs ago #196

Good analogy. I'm in 100% agreement. oasis 9 hrs ago #66

But if 100% of the growth is in the suburbs, maybe it's time to extend the circle line. meadowlander 9 hrs ago #79

The OP is about something happening now, not "people on our side not understanding what a vote actually is" muriel_volestrangler 9 hrs ago #90

I'm concerned about future ones. Because it has happened in every previous one I can think of. Scrivener7 9 hrs ago #100

So you're happy with a pre-emptive "fuck the other people on the left" OP? muriel_volestrangler 9 hrs ago #105

I don't really know what you're on about. No, I'm not refighting anything. And that's not how I read the OP. Scrivener7 8 hrs ago #107

"Because it has happened in every previous one I can think of" muriel_volestrangler 8 hrs ago #112

Oh it's refighting? It's not just recalling or what one calls remembering? boston bean 7 hrs ago #151

Yes, when you accuse your opponents of "cannibalizing" the party, muriel_volestrangler 7 hrs ago #156

Some comprehension would be very helpful here. boston bean 7 hrs ago #158

Some meaningful writing in the OP would have been very helpful. muriel_volestrangler 7 hrs ago #161

Nope. 👎 boston bean 6 hrs ago #180

The bus, however, should be free mr715 9 hrs ago #96

It is! That's the beauty! Scrivener7 9 hrs ago #101

That's the best description I've seen buzzycrumbhunger 8 hrs ago #108

Love this analogy! mcar 8 hrs ago #116

Well done! A very apt analogy! Abolishinist 6 hrs ago #198

I voted my conscience in 2016 and 2024 mcar 8 hrs ago #114

And I respect your views -misanthroptimist 8 hrs ago #127

The people who desert us keep saying that creeksneakers2 7 hrs ago #166

How can they ignore the 5 million people who are losing health care creeksneakers2 7 hrs ago #171

You are indeed free to give you opinion -misanthroptimist 7 hrs ago #173

I've never changed a mind creeksneakers2 7 hrs ago #177

Aren't you advocating for more of the same? Renew Deal 8 hrs ago #113

Obama was exceptional. Clinton was highly competent BUT had both sides dragging her down, ALONG WITH RandomNumbers 10 hrs ago #21

If, in 2006, someone had said... -misanthroptimist 10 hrs ago #27

Then you don't remember it well angrychair 9 hrs ago #51

I didn't know about PUMAS. I learn something every day. yellow dahlia 7 hrs ago #159

This message was self-deleted by its author boston bean 11 hrs ago #4

See ya bye orangecrush 11 hrs ago #8

Ya think? boston bean 11 hrs ago #9

The vocal far left from the big cities is the voice we get labeled with and costs us votes. Melon 11 hrs ago #10

"Far left" Mysterian 8 hrs ago #124

There is a spectrum of beliefs within every party. Melon 8 hrs ago #129

There are no "far left" politicians in the Democratic party Mysterian 8 hrs ago #131

No. My beliefs have been very similar since post college with slight adjustments. Melon 8 hrs ago #138

According to your post #10, the spectrum in the Democratic party is all the way from "moderate" to "conservative" muriel_volestrangler 8 hrs ago #140

Sorry...typing on a tablet. Melon 7 hrs ago #148

Thanks - that makes sense (nt) muriel_volestrangler 7 hrs ago #150

Why do you think a democratic socialist will be the nominee in 2028? Fiendish Thingy 11 hrs ago #12

I am baffled by your forgetfulness of recent history. boston bean 10 hrs ago #14

Party unity isn't achieved by the left acquiescing to the centrists Fiendish Thingy 10 hrs ago #23

I don't see how affordability creeksneakers2 6 hrs ago #188

I voted for Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton Soul_of_Wit 10 hrs ago #38

Which self identified democratic socialist has announced a run for president? muriel_volestrangler 10 hrs ago #16

What? boston bean 10 hrs ago #17

A quote from the OP, which you wrote: muriel_volestrangler 10 hrs ago #20

I haven't seen AOC tear the party down creeksneakers2 6 hrs ago #190

That might be what's behind the OP muriel_volestrangler 6 hrs ago #204

I think its about what is going on right here. creeksneakers2 5 hrs ago #205

Not just for that creeksneakers2 1 hr ago #237

That's a lot of "what ifs" for people to be "sick of this fucking shit" over 2 years before (nt) muriel_volestrangler 1 hr ago #242

Not terribly unlikely ones though. creeksneakers2 1 hr ago #245

I don't think she could win as president in 2028. She could win US Senate. LeftInTX 3 hrs ago #232

They said she might try that. creeksneakers2 1 hr ago #238

I recommend Xanax. mr715 10 hrs ago #18

Yep, centrism works so well. Oh wait... orthoclad 10 hrs ago #19

How do we taste? You're the one doing the cannibalizing. mr715 10 hrs ago #25

I was going to ask what wine i pair best with n/t gay texan 9 hrs ago #69

You are a Texan? mr715 9 hrs ago #75

Yes! N/t gay texan 9 hrs ago #76

Chianti. AloeVera 8 hrs ago #117

Gracious! H2O Man 10 hrs ago #28

Agreed. The midterms are crucial. We need to save Democracy. yellow dahlia 7 hrs ago #162

Well said Auggie 10 hrs ago #30

Can you explain what "this shit" is, then? muriel_volestrangler 10 hrs ago #34

Suspect it's Mamdani-backed candidates winning in the New York primaries meadowlander 10 hrs ago #39

I agree with " we should be running the candidate that can win the district" muriel_volestrangler 9 hrs ago #63

It's "we get smeared with the views of the most extreme amongst us" meadowlander 9 hrs ago #70

I agree with you. I'm hoping that someone who recommended the OP muriel_volestrangler 9 hrs ago #78

Shit that is going on creeksneakers2 6 hrs ago #194

Thank you for being specific. muriel_volestrangler 5 hrs ago #207

Wasn't the case before creeksneakers2 5 hrs ago #210

Word! yellow dahlia 7 hrs ago #163

Kamala is talking with Mamdani creeksneakers2 6 hrs ago #191

I never said "this shit." The OP did. Auggie 9 hrs ago #85

You said the OP was "well said" muriel_volestrangler 9 hrs ago #93

You are wicked sharp orangecrush 7 hrs ago #146

Vote on policy duckworth969 10 hrs ago #32

"... contact the centrist of your choice..." Shipwack 9 hrs ago #83

Kudos to you for understanding nuance. yellow dahlia 7 hrs ago #164

Nope creeksneakers2 5 hrs ago #214

"... contact the centrist of your choice..." Shipwack 9 hrs ago #86

And there it is. Exactly what I speak of. boston bean 8 hrs ago #130

Yet another OP attacking progressives angrychair 10 hrs ago #35

I'm a progressive and I very much agree with OP. W_HAMILTON 9 hrs ago #55

The OP is largely refering to primary challenges. Not whether dems are supported. SSJVegeta 9 hrs ago #59

The OP was talking about electing a president and not tearing down Democrats. W_HAMILTON 9 hrs ago #65

"Tearing down" seemed to mean being democratic socialist. And came with few specifics SSJVegeta 9 hrs ago #71

That's not what they want angrychair 8 hrs ago #126

Right on! creeksneakers2 5 hrs ago #208

It is the website for you. SSJVegeta 9 hrs ago #56

The forum needs you. We need all voices. yellow dahlia 7 hrs ago #167

The existential threat to labor and young people by AI and robotics in the next ten years meadowlander 10 hrs ago #36

THIS gay texan 9 hrs ago #74

Hear! Hear! yellow dahlia 7 hrs ago #168

Then after the primaries we should all pull together creeksneakers2 5 hrs ago #216

I think of what popsdenver 10 hrs ago #40

I believe the destruction that followed the 2016 election is circumstantial evidence that yellow dahlia 7 hrs ago #172

It is pathetic. Have we forgotten 2000, 2016, and 2024? We lost at those critical times lostincalifornia 9 hrs ago #48

Democratic voters are being influenced by third parties, such as the Green Party and Party for Socialism and Liberation. LeftInTX 3 hrs ago #231

I'm not saying it's right or wrong angrychair 1 hr ago #235

People are told that Democrats aren't progressive -- labeling them establishment/centrist/corporatist, etc. . betsuni 9 hrs ago #52

Nobody in the Democratic party was talking about universal health care or raising the minimum wage before Bernie was. meadowlander 9 hrs ago #61

No. Ted Kennedy had been saying health care is a right, not a privilege since the '70s. betsuni 8 hrs ago #106

Right, except I was alive through all of those election cycles meadowlander 8 hrs ago #119

That's because its true creeksneakers2 4 hrs ago #218

And Hillary as First Lady fighting for universal healthcare. boston bean 3 hrs ago #226

She was responsible for the Children's Health Insurance Program too, which nobody seems to know. betsuni 1 hr ago #241

Coalition building! yellow dahlia 7 hrs ago #175

Really? sheshe2 6 hrs ago #192

I remember Hillary Clinton's proposals for universal healthcare. Nixie 9 hrs ago #102

Yes, new definition of universal health care is Medicare for All only as purity test. betsuni 8 hrs ago #128

++++ Nixie 4 hrs ago #217

Yep. mcar 8 hrs ago #118

Vermont was literally the reddest state in the country until it elected Bernie.And it still elects republicans regularly SSJVegeta 9 hrs ago #53

Oklahoma, Wyoming, Idaho, Louisiana etc would like a word. BannonsLiver 6 hrs ago #183

Most of those states were blue when Bernie was elected in 1990 SSJVegeta 3 hrs ago #228

IMHO, Democrats overestimate everything about the voting public:..... ColoringFool 9 hrs ago #57

The focus should be on the GOP and not anyone of any persuasion that identifies as a Democrat. walkingman 9 hrs ago #60

Word! yellow dahlia 8 hrs ago #134

Word! yellow dahlia 6 hrs ago #179

thank you - I swear these threads are going to kill us TBF 2 hrs ago #234

K & R SunSeeker 9 hrs ago #64

"Your views aren't welcome unless you suppress them." David__77 9 hrs ago #72

Touch grass. Stacey Grove 9 hrs ago #87

America elected FDR to 4 terms IronLionZion 9 hrs ago #88

Good rant lefthandedskyhook 9 hrs ago #92

FIGHT OLIGARCHY usonian 9 hrs ago #94

my beef w them is the blatant antisemitism. mopinko 9 hrs ago #95

Netanyahu Gaza genocide of civilians is not acceptable DemocracyForever 6 hrs ago #184

propaganda. mopinko 6 hrs ago #193

Killing children is propaganda? DemocracyForever 6 hrs ago #202

Left Center Right dave99 9 hrs ago #97

Where did this come from? mcar 8 hrs ago #121

I agree larwdem 9 hrs ago #104

K&R mcar 8 hrs ago #109

Thanks for sharing the status quo position. Renew Deal 8 hrs ago #111

And we can't just sit by while the fucking Heritage Foundation takes a wrecking ball to our rights and freedoms. Initech 8 hrs ago #120

The ONLY winning strategy is voting blue in the general. Buddyzbuddy 8 hrs ago #122

I understand where you are coming from and feel/think we should call progressive Democrats, FDR Democrats. cksmithy 8 hrs ago #133

"Progressive" orangecrush 7 hrs ago #152

Calling someone an "FDR Democrat" is incredibly backward-looking muriel_volestrangler 7 hrs ago #153

Yes a progressive is a good thing, all I said is a Democratic socialist, cksmithy 6 hrs ago #200

I'm personally a progressive, but also pragmatic. Despite what some people believe, we are basically a Raftergirl 7 hrs ago #155

Love your post!!! creeksneakers2 7 hrs ago #157

I remember people here saying Obama would never be elected Skittles 7 hrs ago #169

At my job the average age is about 27. Eko 7 hrs ago #170

... demmiblue 7 hrs ago #178

The status quo isn't working DemocracyForever 6 hrs ago #189

If you see the political struggle in the US as Left vs Right then you are part of the PROBLEM Tim S 5 hrs ago #212

"Democratic Socialists recognize it and want change to rebalance things." Buddyzbuddy 3 hrs ago #230

People are eventually going to tire of MAGA policies EnergizedLib 4 hrs ago #219

Eventually? mr715 4 hrs ago #223

And do we need Florida to control Washington? EnergizedLib 4 hrs ago #224

We need Florida to at least partially sink into the sea... mr715 4 hrs ago #225

I'm watching the Michigan senate race. It looks like El-Sayed will win the primary. LeftInTX 3 hrs ago #227

It looks to me more and more that... WestMichRad 3 hrs ago #229

yup - and btw Skittles 1 hr ago #239

I don't know if the Democratic Socialist brand is the right thing, but the candidates themselves are who will save us. Music Man 32 min ago #247