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In reply to the discussion: We just fucking cannibalize each other fucking ourselves over and over. [View all]
betsuni
(29,505 posts)260. "Destroy" becomes "transform" because it sounds nicer, but it means destroy and punish, ends justify the means.
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We just fucking cannibalize each other fucking ourselves over and over. [View all]
boston bean
Yesterday
OP
But I think it's just the word. Run on the platform and people will be fine with it. The policies all poll
Scrivener7
Yesterday
#1
If we must have tags, progressive is as good as any to step to the left of center.
Magoo48
Yesterday
#50
Ditching the label is going to be hard. The reich wing media is running with it like and Olympic sprinter
Cheezoholic
Yesterday
#81
They won three primaries in one of the most liberal cities in the country.
SamuelAdams
5 hrs ago
#292
I will refer you to post #2. Democrats are winning across the country because - Democrat
stopdiggin
5 hrs ago
#293
It's the damn purity tests. And I won't vote for this or that person because......
boston bean
Yesterday
#7
100%. Thank you. Democrats need to stop blaming others for past failures and adapt to realities. For God's sake, we
KPN
Yesterday
#154
Calling for party loyalty isn't a purity test... it's basic political math.
QueerDuck
7 hrs ago
#273
Too many words. I am sorry but you will say all of these and your listeners eyes will glaze over
question everything
Yesterday
#33
I was listing the policies the Social Democrats are pushing (as are most Democrats), not a campaign slogan.
Scrivener7
Yesterday
#43
Yes, it is just a word. But it's a word that the right will stroke into a frenzy.
hadEnuf
8 hrs ago
#264
Just "Democrats." We don't need to change our name bc his mouth spewed something.
Scrivener7
8 hrs ago
#266
"A word the right will stroke into a frenzy"....like every other word they stroke into a
BComplex
6 hrs ago
#274
The word socialist means something more than the usual right-wing litany of insults.
hadEnuf
3 hrs ago
#305
Because "democrats" didn't vote democratic or didn't vote due to progressive purity.
boston bean
Yesterday
#6
And many who supported Sanders in 2016 voted for Trump. Both offered the same thing
question everything
Yesterday
#37
Or you can read a real analysis which shows most of the Trump voters who supported Sanders in
Nanjeanne
8 hrs ago
#265
Bernie lost the primary because the democratic party wouldn't let him participate in
BComplex
6 hrs ago
#276
Analyzing how Bernie Sanders supporters voted in the 2016 General Election by Brian Schaffner, Tufts University
question everything
23 hrs ago
#181
Also I think if you arent personal friends with somebody, referring to them by their last name is proper
SSJVegeta
Yesterday
#84
Thanks, BC. I have paid so much attention to these two elections since November 2016,
yellow dahlia
5 hrs ago
#290
And it freaks me out to this day that democrats weren't shouting this from the rafters!
BComplex
5 hrs ago
#296
Exactly! In 2016 I read an article that raised the alarm about the election results,
yellow dahlia
4 hrs ago
#302
I agree with you that the nomination should not have been stolen from Bernie.
yellow dahlia
Yesterday
#145
Sanders: "I wouldn't use the word rigged, because we knew what the rules were -- but what
betsuni
22 hrs ago
#213
That interview w/ Bernie was before the leaked emails that were revealed in July and November 2016.
yellow dahlia
20 hrs ago
#221
Sanders: "If they went into our emails I'm sure there would be statements that would
betsuni
17 hrs ago
#249
The DNC conspired so that Bernie wouldn't get the nomination, in the primary.
yellow dahlia
18 hrs ago
#240
The super - delegates are not determined by the will of the people - on the contrary.
yellow dahlia
16 hrs ago
#250
"Sanders could not have possibly won the nomination after May 3 -- at that point, he needed 984
betsuni
15 hrs ago
#259
Yes the lawsuit was thrown out, due to lack of standing. The judge said the DNC did indeed undermine
yellow dahlia
15 hrs ago
#256
It's called voting. Conspiracy theories about rigging and plots oppressing "victims" is a problem.
betsuni
23 hrs ago
#186
We lost the Supreme Court because of that "purity". "Conscience" is not the same thing
lostincalifornia
Yesterday
#67
The Supreme Court WAS lost due to "purity testing" - just not the way you think.
AloeVera
22 hrs ago
#206
The article does not say that Democrats were driven by conscience, and so pissed off that Bernie didn't get the
yellow dahlia
23 hrs ago
#197
The point I'm making is - bitter Dems DID NOT cost Hillary Clinton the election.
yellow dahlia
23 hrs ago
#201
That is not the primary point. The NPR article DID NOT claim that bitter Dems cost Hillary Clinton the election.
yellow dahlia
22 hrs ago
#209
NOT a "fact". The republican media brought us to this place, plus billionaires
BComplex
6 hrs ago
#275
I have to agree with boston bean in that I'm sick of people on our side not understanding what a vote actually is.
Scrivener7
Yesterday
#49
Michigan voters who didn't vote chose a bus that took them to Wyoming then blew up with them inside it.
Scrivener7
Yesterday
#125
But if 100% of the growth is in the suburbs, maybe it's time to extend the circle line.
meadowlander
Yesterday
#79
The OP is about something happening now, not "people on our side not understanding what a vote actually is"
muriel_volestrangler
Yesterday
#90
I'm concerned about future ones. Because it has happened in every previous one I can think of.
Scrivener7
Yesterday
#100
So you're happy with a pre-emptive "fuck the other people on the left" OP?
muriel_volestrangler
Yesterday
#105
I don't really know what you're on about. No, I'm not refighting anything. And that's not how I read the OP.
Scrivener7
Yesterday
#107
Oh it's refighting? It's not just recalling or what one calls remembering?
boston bean
Yesterday
#151
Yes, when you accuse your opponents of "cannibalizing" the party,
muriel_volestrangler
Yesterday
#156
Obama was exceptional. Clinton was highly competent BUT had both sides dragging her down, ALONG WITH
RandomNumbers
Yesterday
#21
But Clinton herself supported Obama after the primary. Very soon after,
RandomNumbers
6 hrs ago
#284
The vocal far left from the big cities is the voice we get labeled with and costs us votes.
Melon
Yesterday
#10
No. My beliefs have been very similar since post college with slight adjustments.
Melon
Yesterday
#138
According to your post #10, the spectrum in the Democratic party is all the way from "moderate" to "conservative"
muriel_volestrangler
Yesterday
#140
Which self identified democratic socialist has announced a run for president?
muriel_volestrangler
Yesterday
#16
That's a lot of "what ifs" for people to be "sick of this fucking shit" over 2 years before (nt)
muriel_volestrangler
18 hrs ago
#242
I agree with " we should be running the candidate that can win the district"
muriel_volestrangler
Yesterday
#63
The OP is largely refering to primary challenges. Not whether dems are supported.
SSJVegeta
Yesterday
#59
The OP was talking about electing a president and not tearing down Democrats.
W_HAMILTON
Yesterday
#65
"Tearing down" seemed to mean being democratic socialist. And came with few specifics
SSJVegeta
Yesterday
#71
The existential threat to labor and young people by AI and robotics in the next ten years
meadowlander
Yesterday
#36
I believe the destruction that followed the 2016 election is circumstantial evidence that
yellow dahlia
Yesterday
#172
It is pathetic. Have we forgotten 2000, 2016, and 2024? We lost at those critical times
lostincalifornia
Yesterday
#48
Democratic voters are being influenced by third parties, such as the Green Party and Party for Socialism and Liberation.
LeftInTX
20 hrs ago
#231
"Destroy" becomes "transform" because it sounds nicer, but it means destroy and punish, ends justify the means.
betsuni
14 hrs ago
#260
People are told that Democrats aren't progressive -- labeling them establishment/centrist/corporatist, etc. .
betsuni
Yesterday
#52
Nobody in the Democratic party was talking about universal health care or raising the minimum wage before Bernie was.
meadowlander
Yesterday
#61
No. Ted Kennedy had been saying health care is a right, not a privilege since the '70s.
betsuni
Yesterday
#106
She was responsible for the Children's Health Insurance Program too, which nobody seems to know.
betsuni
18 hrs ago
#241
Yes, new definition of universal health care is Medicare for All only as purity test.
betsuni
Yesterday
#128
Vermont was literally the reddest state in the country until it elected Bernie.And it still elects republicans regularly
SSJVegeta
Yesterday
#53
The focus should be on the GOP and not anyone of any persuasion that identifies as a Democrat.
walkingman
Yesterday
#60
And we can't just sit by while the fucking Heritage Foundation takes a wrecking ball to our rights and freedoms.
Initech
Yesterday
#120
I understand where you are coming from and feel/think we should call progressive Democrats, FDR Democrats.
cksmithy
Yesterday
#133
Calling someone an "FDR Democrat" is incredibly backward-looking
muriel_volestrangler
Yesterday
#153
I'm personally a progressive, but also pragmatic. Despite what some people believe, we are basically a
Raftergirl
Yesterday
#155
If you see the political struggle in the US as Left vs Right then you are part of the PROBLEM
Tim S
22 hrs ago
#212
"Democratic Socialists recognize it and want change to rebalance things."
Buddyzbuddy
20 hrs ago
#230
I'm watching the Michigan senate race. It looks like El-Sayed will win the primary.
LeftInTX
20 hrs ago
#227
I don't know if the Democratic Socialist brand is the right thing, but the candidates themselves are who will save us.
Music Man
17 hrs ago
#247
If this is about Chevalier, yeah, she has said some stupid shit in the past
Quiet Em
15 hrs ago
#257
Exactly. The fact that there is even discourse about whether or not the Democrats would be better than what we have now.
madibella
7 hrs ago
#269
Biden had much narrower Congressional majorities in his first two years because
Soul_of_Wit
4 hrs ago
#303
Socialism represents public power. Of course Republican and centrists are going to fight this. Fuck em!
Emile
5 hrs ago
#291
My Social Security check every month is Socialism and I'm still crying about it! Medicare too!
wolfie001
5 hrs ago
#300