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Mon Jul 6, 2026, 01:50 PM

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This could offer D's and social D's an advantage in the midterms. We can't just run as the not Stumpy party

My fear is that is what will happen.

Thanks Cosmocat.

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We just fucking cannibalize each other fucking ourselves over and over. [View all] boston bean Yesterday OP

But I think it's just the word. Run on the platform and people will be fine with it. The policies all poll Scrivener7 Yesterday #1

Right on. Run on the principles and ditch the label. Ocelot II Yesterday #2

If we must have tags, progressive is as good as any to step to the left of center. Magoo48 Yesterday #50

Ditching the label is going to be hard. The reich wing media is running with it like and Olympic sprinter Cheezoholic Yesterday #81

Winning is too much for some people. BComplex 6 hrs ago #271

They won three primaries in one of the most liberal cities in the country. SamuelAdams 4 hrs ago #292

Completely agree Lategame Yesterday #5

I agree Felicita Yesterday #31

All we need to do then, is point out that they are social democrats. BComplex 6 hrs ago #272

I will refer you to post #2. Democrats are winning across the country because - Democrat stopdiggin 4 hrs ago #293

"Social Democrats" blubunyip 5 hrs ago #279

lol - and finally we get to the point. TBF 4 hrs ago #294

It's the damn purity tests. And I won't vote for this or that person because...... boston bean Yesterday #7

Purity testing has been the bane of Democrats. Lategame Yesterday #13

The " no purity test" talking points angrychair Yesterday #41

Umm no. No no no no. boston bean Yesterday #54

100%. Thank you. Democrats need to stop blaming others for past failures and adapt to realities. For God's sake, we KPN 23 hrs ago #154

It not the discussion we are talking about creeksneakers2 23 hrs ago #160

Calling for party loyalty isn't a purity test... it's basic political math. QueerDuck 6 hrs ago #273

Yes, we "vagina voters." How dare we vote for HRC and VP Harris? mcar Yesterday #110

Importantly shore up Social Security as part of a platform. Prairie_Seagull Yesterday #24

T H I S ! ! ! Cosmocat 5 hrs ago #287

Additionally Prairie_Seagull 2 hrs ago #304

Too many words. I am sorry but you will say all of these and your listeners eyes will glaze over question everything Yesterday #33

I was listing the policies the Social Democrats are pushing (as are most Democrats), not a campaign slogan. Scrivener7 Yesterday #43

The problem is not capitalism Soul_of_Wit Yesterday #47

I would add to that the: Corruption, Cruelty and Chaos!! Ars Longa 23 hrs ago #165

My Economics Professor Who Was A Republican BlueKota 18 hrs ago #233

Vulture Capitalism blubunyip 5 hrs ago #281

I hate capitalism I_UndergroundPanther 22 hrs ago #187

DSA is not a political party Soul_of_Wit Yesterday #45

Looking at it as a big tent is the way for the Dem party to thrive. yellow dahlia Yesterday #136

Recommended! hamsterjill Yesterday #46

The hardest part isn't the messaging, it's the money mdbl Yesterday #68

Your point is valid. hamsterjill Yesterday #98

Welcome to the Old Farts Club mdbl 8 hrs ago #261

lol SonOfNebanaube 5 hrs ago #280

The purity tests should end with the primaries mdbl Yesterday #80

SELF destructive. And really ignorant. Scrivener7 Yesterday #103

+1 leftstreet 17 hrs ago #243

Yes, it is just a word. But it's a word that the right will stroke into a frenzy. hadEnuf 7 hrs ago #264

Just "Democrats." We don't need to change our name bc his mouth spewed something. Scrivener7 7 hrs ago #266

No name change, just a clarification of the truth. hadEnuf 7 hrs ago #268

"A word the right will stroke into a frenzy"....like every other word they stroke into a BComplex 6 hrs ago #274

The word socialist means something more than the usual right-wing litany of insults. hadEnuf 2 hrs ago #305

Neither of us know who this country will or won't elect -misanthroptimist Yesterday #3

Because "democrats" didn't vote democratic or didn't vote due to progressive purity. boston bean Yesterday #6

You're sick of people voting their conscience? -misanthroptimist Yesterday #11

Yes their pure conscience helped bring us us mango Mussolini. boston bean Yesterday #15

Really? -misanthroptimist Yesterday #22

The two times we lost we had coronations. Gore1FL Yesterday #26

Or women candidates Blaukraut Yesterday #29

And many who supported Sanders in 2016 voted for Trump. Both offered the same thing question everything Yesterday #37

Only those lacking a BS detector would equate Sanders and Donald (n/m) Soul_of_Wit Yesterday #42

Not today. But in 2016 many did question everything Yesterday #44

And they lacked a BS detector in 2016 (n/m) Soul_of_Wit Yesterday #62

How many? Link to a poll, please (nt) muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #82

You can read up on it here. sheshe2 Yesterday #137

Thank you. My cynicism was wrong. (nt) muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #143

Not sure about that. AloeVera 21 hrs ago #215

Or you can read a real analysis which shows most of the Trump voters who supported Sanders in Nanjeanne 7 hrs ago #265

Bernie lost the primary because the democratic party wouldn't let him participate in BComplex 6 hrs ago #276

Analyzing how Bernie Sanders supporters voted in the 2016 General Election by Brian Schaffner, Tufts University question everything 23 hrs ago #181

Post removed Post removed Yesterday #73

Her name is Hillary. mr715 Yesterday #77

Also I think if you arent personal friends with somebody, referring to them by their last name is proper SSJVegeta Yesterday #84

I prefer Secretary and Senator Clinton. mr715 Yesterday #89

Truth SSJVegeta Yesterday #91

Huh? TVguyCards 23 hrs ago #147

Sanders: "they turned to Trump because Trump said things that made sense." betsuni 23 hrs ago #176

I do not believe that either Hillary Clinton or Kamala Harris lost. yellow dahlia 23 hrs ago #149

YES!! Yellow dahlia nailed it! BComplex 5 hrs ago #278

Thanks, BC. I have paid so much attention to these two elections since November 2016, yellow dahlia 4 hrs ago #290

And it freaks me out to this day that democrats weren't shouting this from the rafters! BComplex 4 hrs ago #296

Exactly! In 2016 I read an article that raised the alarm about the election results, yellow dahlia 4 hrs ago #302

That is simply false mcar Yesterday #115

I agree with you that the nomination should not have been stolen from Bernie. yellow dahlia Yesterday #145

The DNC did not rig anything. creeksneakers2 23 hrs ago #174

Sanders: "I wouldn't use the word rigged, because we knew what the rules were -- but what betsuni 21 hrs ago #213

That interview w/ Bernie was before the leaked emails that were revealed in July and November 2016. yellow dahlia 20 hrs ago #221

Sanders: "If they went into our emails I'm sure there would be statements that would betsuni 16 hrs ago #249

I never said Bernie said there was rigging, but others of us did. yellow dahlia 15 hrs ago #253

What are you talking about? mcar 20 hrs ago #220

This is what I am talking about. yellow dahlia 20 hrs ago #222

That didn't change the popular vote iemanja 17 hrs ago #236

The DNC conspired so that Bernie wouldn't get the nomination, in the primary. yellow dahlia 17 hrs ago #240

She got the popular vote in the primary iemanja 17 hrs ago #244

The primaries and nomination involve more than just the popular vote. yellow dahlia 16 hrs ago #246

I've stated the facts iemanja 16 hrs ago #248

The super - delegates are not determined by the will of the people - on the contrary. yellow dahlia 15 hrs ago #250

"Sanders could not have possibly won the nomination after May 3 -- at that point, he needed 984 betsuni 14 hrs ago #259

Hillary Clinton received 3.7 million more votes than Bernie Sanders Quiet Em 15 hrs ago #252

It's about the Super - Delegates. yellow dahlia 15 hrs ago #254

It was fair. It wasn't even close. Quiet Em 15 hrs ago #255

Yes the lawsuit was thrown out, due to lack of standing. The judge said the DNC did indeed undermine yellow dahlia 15 hrs ago #256

The people did pick the nominee. Quiet Em 15 hrs ago #258

Actually, the judge said he "assumed" the plaintiff's positions to determine Nixie 2 hrs ago #307

It's called voting. Conspiracy theories about rigging and plots oppressing "victims" is a problem. betsuni 22 hrs ago #186

We lost the Supreme Court because of that "purity". "Conscience" is not the same thing lostincalifornia Yesterday #67

The Supreme Court WAS lost due to "purity testing" - just not the way you think. AloeVera 22 hrs ago #206

I disagree with your use of the word "fact". yellow dahlia Yesterday #139

Best evidence possible creeksneakers2 23 hrs ago #182

The article does not say that Democrats were driven by conscience, and so pissed off that Bernie didn't get the yellow dahlia 22 hrs ago #197

Its not the only time it ever happened creeksneakers2 22 hrs ago #199

The point I'm making is - bitter Dems DID NOT cost Hillary Clinton the election. yellow dahlia 22 hrs ago #201

I've never seen any evidence of any election fraud. creeksneakers2 22 hrs ago #203

That is not the primary point. The NPR article DID NOT claim that bitter Dems cost Hillary Clinton the election. yellow dahlia 21 hrs ago #209

fine creeksneakers2 21 hrs ago #211

NOT a "fact". The republican media brought us to this place, plus billionaires BComplex 6 hrs ago #275

I have to agree with boston bean in that I'm sick of people on our side not understanding what a vote actually is. Scrivener7 Yesterday #49

You're going to be sick a long time -misanthroptimist Yesterday #58

Require Civics class in high school. Scrivener7 Yesterday #99

There are limits -misanthroptimist Yesterday #123

Michigan voters who didn't vote chose a bus that took them to Wyoming then blew up with them inside it. Scrivener7 Yesterday #125

Hypothetically -misanthroptimist Yesterday #132

When that situation arises, we can talk about it. Scrivener7 Yesterday #135

Then it wouldn't be hypothetical, right? -misanthroptimist Yesterday #141

You do you. Scrivener7 Yesterday #142

I'm irrelevant -misanthroptimist Yesterday #144

I hope they take a good look at the result of their choice creeksneakers2 22 hrs ago #185

Some will -misanthroptimist 22 hrs ago #195

I hope so. creeksneakers2 22 hrs ago #196

Good analogy. I'm in 100% agreement. oasis Yesterday #66

But if 100% of the growth is in the suburbs, maybe it's time to extend the circle line. meadowlander Yesterday #79

The OP is about something happening now, not "people on our side not understanding what a vote actually is" muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #90

I'm concerned about future ones. Because it has happened in every previous one I can think of. Scrivener7 Yesterday #100

So you're happy with a pre-emptive "fuck the other people on the left" OP? muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #105

I don't really know what you're on about. No, I'm not refighting anything. And that's not how I read the OP. Scrivener7 Yesterday #107

"Because it has happened in every previous one I can think of" muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #112

Oh it's refighting? It's not just recalling or what one calls remembering? boston bean 23 hrs ago #151

Yes, when you accuse your opponents of "cannibalizing" the party, muriel_volestrangler 23 hrs ago #156

Some comprehension would be very helpful here. boston bean 23 hrs ago #158

Some meaningful writing in the OP would have been very helpful. muriel_volestrangler 23 hrs ago #161

Nope. 👎 boston bean 23 hrs ago #180

The bus, however, should be free mr715 Yesterday #96

It is! That's the beauty! Scrivener7 Yesterday #101

That's the best description I've seen buzzycrumbhunger Yesterday #108

Love this analogy! mcar Yesterday #116

Well done! A very apt analogy! Abolishinist 22 hrs ago #198

I voted my conscience in 2016 and 2024 mcar Yesterday #114

And I respect your views -misanthroptimist Yesterday #127

The people who desert us keep saying that creeksneakers2 23 hrs ago #166

How can they ignore the 5 million people who are losing health care creeksneakers2 23 hrs ago #171

You are indeed free to give you opinion -misanthroptimist 23 hrs ago #173

I've never changed a mind creeksneakers2 23 hrs ago #177

Aren't you advocating for more of the same? Renew Deal Yesterday #113

Obama was exceptional. Clinton was highly competent BUT had both sides dragging her down, ALONG WITH RandomNumbers Yesterday #21

If, in 2006, someone had said... -misanthroptimist Yesterday #27

Then you don't remember it well angrychair Yesterday #51

I didn't know about PUMAS. I learn something every day. yellow dahlia 23 hrs ago #159

But Clinton herself supported Obama after the primary. Very soon after, RandomNumbers 5 hrs ago #284

Die-hard Hillary supporters spawned their own website, too: Rob H. 1 hr ago #308

This message was self-deleted by its author boston bean Yesterday #4

See ya bye orangecrush Yesterday #8

Ya think? boston bean Yesterday #9

The vocal far left from the big cities is the voice we get labeled with and costs us votes. Melon Yesterday #10

"Far left" Mysterian Yesterday #124

There is a spectrum of beliefs within every party. Melon Yesterday #129

There are no "far left" politicians in the Democratic party Mysterian Yesterday #131

No. My beliefs have been very similar since post college with slight adjustments. Melon Yesterday #138

According to your post #10, the spectrum in the Democratic party is all the way from "moderate" to "conservative" muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #140

Sorry...typing on a tablet. Melon 23 hrs ago #148

Thanks - that makes sense (nt) muriel_volestrangler 23 hrs ago #150

Why do you think a democratic socialist will be the nominee in 2028? Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #12

I am baffled by your forgetfulness of recent history. boston bean Yesterday #14

Party unity isn't achieved by the left acquiescing to the centrists Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #23

I don't see how affordability creeksneakers2 22 hrs ago #188

I voted for Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton Soul_of_Wit Yesterday #38

Which self identified democratic socialist has announced a run for president? muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #16

What? boston bean Yesterday #17

A quote from the OP, which you wrote: muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #20

I haven't seen AOC tear the party down creeksneakers2 22 hrs ago #190

That might be what's behind the OP muriel_volestrangler 22 hrs ago #204

I think its about what is going on right here. creeksneakers2 22 hrs ago #205

Not just for that creeksneakers2 17 hrs ago #237

That's a lot of "what ifs" for people to be "sick of this fucking shit" over 2 years before (nt) muriel_volestrangler 17 hrs ago #242

Not terribly unlikely ones though. creeksneakers2 17 hrs ago #245

I don't think she could win as president in 2028. She could win US Senate. LeftInTX 19 hrs ago #232

They said she might try that. creeksneakers2 17 hrs ago #238

I recommend Xanax. mr715 Yesterday #18

Yep, centrism works so well. Oh wait... orthoclad Yesterday #19

How do we taste? You're the one doing the cannibalizing. mr715 Yesterday #25

I was going to ask what wine i pair best with n/t gay texan Yesterday #69

You are a Texan? mr715 Yesterday #75

Yes! N/t gay texan Yesterday #76

Chianti. AloeVera Yesterday #117

Gracious! H2O Man Yesterday #28

Agreed. The midterms are crucial. We need to save Democracy. yellow dahlia 23 hrs ago #162

Some people are addicted to the drama. Same as it ever was. demmiblue 8 hrs ago #262

Well said Auggie Yesterday #30

Can you explain what "this shit" is, then? muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #34

Suspect it's Mamdani-backed candidates winning in the New York primaries meadowlander Yesterday #39

I agree with " we should be running the candidate that can win the district" muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #63

It's "we get smeared with the views of the most extreme amongst us" meadowlander Yesterday #70

I agree with you. I'm hoping that someone who recommended the OP muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #78

Shit that is going on creeksneakers2 22 hrs ago #194

Thank you for being specific. muriel_volestrangler 22 hrs ago #207

Wasn't the case before creeksneakers2 21 hrs ago #210

Word! yellow dahlia 23 hrs ago #163

Kamala is talking with Mamdani creeksneakers2 22 hrs ago #191

I never said "this shit." The OP did. Auggie Yesterday #85

You said the OP was "well said" muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #93

You are wicked sharp orangecrush 23 hrs ago #146

Vote on policy duckworth969 Yesterday #32

"... contact the centrist of your choice..." Shipwack Yesterday #83

Kudos to you for understanding nuance. yellow dahlia 23 hrs ago #164

Nope creeksneakers2 21 hrs ago #214

"... contact the centrist of your choice..." Shipwack Yesterday #86

And there it is. Exactly what I speak of. boston bean Yesterday #130

Yet another OP attacking progressives angrychair Yesterday #35

I'm a progressive and I very much agree with OP. W_HAMILTON Yesterday #55

The OP is largely refering to primary challenges. Not whether dems are supported. SSJVegeta Yesterday #59

The OP was talking about electing a president and not tearing down Democrats. W_HAMILTON Yesterday #65

"Tearing down" seemed to mean being democratic socialist. And came with few specifics SSJVegeta Yesterday #71

That's not what they want angrychair Yesterday #126

Right on! creeksneakers2 22 hrs ago #208

It is the website for you. SSJVegeta Yesterday #56

The forum needs you. We need all voices. yellow dahlia 23 hrs ago #167

The existential threat to labor and young people by AI and robotics in the next ten years meadowlander Yesterday #36

THIS gay texan Yesterday #74

Hear! Hear! yellow dahlia 23 hrs ago #168

Then after the primaries we should all pull together creeksneakers2 21 hrs ago #216

I think of what popsdenver Yesterday #40

I believe the destruction that followed the 2016 election is circumstantial evidence that yellow dahlia 23 hrs ago #172

It is pathetic. Have we forgotten 2000, 2016, and 2024? We lost at those critical times lostincalifornia Yesterday #48

Democratic voters are being influenced by third parties, such as the Green Party and Party for Socialism and Liberation. LeftInTX 19 hrs ago #231

"Destroy" becomes "transform" because it sounds nicer, but it means destroy and punish, ends justify the means. betsuni 13 hrs ago #260

I'm not saying it's right or wrong angrychair 18 hrs ago #235

People are told that Democrats aren't progressive -- labeling them establishment/centrist/corporatist, etc. . betsuni Yesterday #52

Nobody in the Democratic party was talking about universal health care or raising the minimum wage before Bernie was. meadowlander Yesterday #61

No. Ted Kennedy had been saying health care is a right, not a privilege since the '70s. betsuni Yesterday #106

Right, except I was alive through all of those election cycles meadowlander Yesterday #119

That's because its true creeksneakers2 20 hrs ago #218

And Hillary as First Lady fighting for universal healthcare. boston bean 20 hrs ago #226

She was responsible for the Children's Health Insurance Program too, which nobody seems to know. betsuni 17 hrs ago #241

Coalition building! yellow dahlia 23 hrs ago #175

Really? sheshe2 22 hrs ago #192

I remember Hillary Clinton's proposals for universal healthcare. Nixie Yesterday #102

Yes, new definition of universal health care is Medicare for All only as purity test. betsuni Yesterday #128

++++ Nixie 20 hrs ago #217

Yep. mcar Yesterday #118

Vermont was literally the reddest state in the country until it elected Bernie.And it still elects republicans regularly SSJVegeta Yesterday #53

Oklahoma, Wyoming, Idaho, Louisiana etc would like a word. BannonsLiver 22 hrs ago #183

Um.Most of those states were blue when Bernie was elected in 1990 SSJVegeta 19 hrs ago #228

IMHO, Democrats overestimate everything about the voting public:..... ColoringFool Yesterday #57

The focus should be on the GOP and not anyone of any persuasion that identifies as a Democrat. walkingman Yesterday #60

Word! yellow dahlia Yesterday #134

Word! yellow dahlia 23 hrs ago #179

thank you - I swear these threads are going to kill us TBF 18 hrs ago #234

K & R SunSeeker Yesterday #64

"Your views aren't welcome unless you suppress them." David__77 Yesterday #72

Touch grass. Stacey Grove Yesterday #87

Really! wolfie001 4 hrs ago #298

America elected FDR to 4 terms IronLionZion Yesterday #88

Good rant lefthandedskyhook Yesterday #92

FIGHT OLIGARCHY usonian Yesterday #94

my beef w them is the blatant antisemitism. mopinko Yesterday #95

Netanyahu Gaza genocide of civilians is not acceptable DemocracyForever 22 hrs ago #184

propaganda. mopinko 22 hrs ago #193

Killing children is propaganda? DemocracyForever 22 hrs ago #202

Left Center Right dave99 Yesterday #97

Where did this come from? mcar Yesterday #121

I agree larwdem Yesterday #104

K&R mcar Yesterday #109

Thanks for sharing the status quo position. Renew Deal Yesterday #111

And we can't just sit by while the fucking Heritage Foundation takes a wrecking ball to our rights and freedoms. Initech Yesterday #120

The ONLY winning strategy is voting blue in the general. Buddyzbuddy Yesterday #122

I understand where you are coming from and feel/think we should call progressive Democrats, FDR Democrats. cksmithy Yesterday #133

"Progressive" orangecrush 23 hrs ago #152

Calling someone an "FDR Democrat" is incredibly backward-looking muriel_volestrangler 23 hrs ago #153

Yes a progressive is a good thing, all I said is a Democratic socialist, cksmithy 22 hrs ago #200

Have to agree blubunyip 4 hrs ago #297

I'm personally a progressive, but also pragmatic. Despite what some people believe, we are basically a Raftergirl 23 hrs ago #155

Love your post!!! creeksneakers2 23 hrs ago #157

I remember people here saying Obama would never be elected Skittles 23 hrs ago #169

At my job the average age is about 27. Eko 23 hrs ago #170

I felt this way 25 years ago. Alice B. 7 hrs ago #267

+1 leftstreet 5 hrs ago #277

... demmiblue 23 hrs ago #178

The status quo isn't working DemocracyForever 22 hrs ago #189

If you see the political struggle in the US as Left vs Right then you are part of the PROBLEM Tim S 21 hrs ago #212

"Democratic Socialists recognize it and want change to rebalance things." Buddyzbuddy 19 hrs ago #230

People are eventually going to tire of MAGA policies EnergizedLib 20 hrs ago #219

Eventually? mr715 20 hrs ago #223

And do we need Florida to control Washington? EnergizedLib 20 hrs ago #224

We need Florida to at least partially sink into the sea... mr715 20 hrs ago #225

I'm watching the Michigan senate race. It looks like El-Sayed will win the primary. LeftInTX 20 hrs ago #227

It looks to me more and more that... WestMichRad 19 hrs ago #229

yup - and btw Skittles 17 hrs ago #239

I don't know if the Democratic Socialist brand is the right thing, but the candidates themselves are who will save us. Music Man 16 hrs ago #247

IMO the "socialist" label moondust 15 hrs ago #251

If this is about Chevalier, yeah, she has said some stupid shit in the past Quiet Em 15 hrs ago #257

Agree / disagree 4bonhoffer 8 hrs ago #263

Exactly. The fact that there is even discourse about whether or not the Democrats would be better than what we have now. madibella 6 hrs ago #269

The ratchet analogy is quite illustrative here Orrex 6 hrs ago #270

"I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat." krawhitham 5 hrs ago #282

Yadda, yadda, yadda. Here are some basic facts for you indusurb 5 hrs ago #283

And this post is not... nankerphelge 5 hrs ago #285

Sure, just hoist the white flag and accept the status quo. Scruffy1 5 hrs ago #286

We lost Bernie voters to the Idiot in Chief IbogaProject 4 hrs ago #288

Exactly agree! SamuelAdams 4 hrs ago #289

"Hamas slogans"? wolfie001 4 hrs ago #301

Biden had much narrower Congressional majorities in his first two years because Soul_of_Wit 3 hrs ago #303

Socialism represents public power. Of course Republican and centrists are going to fight this. Fuck em! Emile 4 hrs ago #291

My Social Security check every month is Socialism and I'm still crying about it! Medicare too! wolfie001 4 hrs ago #300

NO Chi67 4 hrs ago #295

..... wolfie001 4 hrs ago #299

I don't understand your logic. CrimsonBight 2 hrs ago #306

"Joe Biden was a great president." Rob H. 1 hr ago #309