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307. Actually, the judge said he "assumed" the plaintiff's positions to determine

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We just fucking cannibalize each other fucking ourselves over and over. [View all] boston bean Yesterday OP

But I think it's just the word. Run on the platform and people will be fine with it. The policies all poll Scrivener7 Yesterday #1

Right on. Run on the principles and ditch the label. Ocelot II Yesterday #2

If we must have tags, progressive is as good as any to step to the left of center. Magoo48 Yesterday #50

Ditching the label is going to be hard. The reich wing media is running with it like and Olympic sprinter Cheezoholic Yesterday #81

Winning is too much for some people. BComplex 10 hrs ago #271

They won three primaries in one of the most liberal cities in the country. SamuelAdams 8 hrs ago #292

Completely agree Lategame Yesterday #5

I agree Felicita Yesterday #31

All we need to do then, is point out that they are social democrats. BComplex 10 hrs ago #272

I will refer you to post #2. Democrats are winning across the country because - Democrat stopdiggin 8 hrs ago #293

"Social Democrats" blubunyip 9 hrs ago #279

lol - and finally we get to the point. TBF 8 hrs ago #294

It's the damn purity tests. And I won't vote for this or that person because...... boston bean Yesterday #7

Purity testing has been the bane of Democrats. Lategame Yesterday #13

The " no purity test" talking points angrychair Yesterday #41

Umm no. No no no no. boston bean Yesterday #54

100%. Thank you. Democrats need to stop blaming others for past failures and adapt to realities. For God's sake, we KPN Yesterday #154

It not the discussion we are talking about creeksneakers2 Yesterday #160

Calling for party loyalty isn't a purity test... it's basic political math. QueerDuck 9 hrs ago #273

Yes, we "vagina voters." How dare we vote for HRC and VP Harris? mcar Yesterday #110

Importantly shore up Social Security as part of a platform. Prairie_Seagull Yesterday #24

T H I S ! ! ! Cosmocat 8 hrs ago #287

Additionally Prairie_Seagull 6 hrs ago #304

Too many words. I am sorry but you will say all of these and your listeners eyes will glaze over question everything Yesterday #33

I was listing the policies the Social Democrats are pushing (as are most Democrats), not a campaign slogan. Scrivener7 Yesterday #43

The problem is not capitalism Soul_of_Wit Yesterday #47

I would add to that the: Corruption, Cruelty and Chaos!! Ars Longa Yesterday #165

My Economics Professor Who Was A Republican BlueKota 22 hrs ago #233

Vulture Capitalism blubunyip 9 hrs ago #281

I hate capitalism I_UndergroundPanther Yesterday #187

DSA is not a political party Soul_of_Wit Yesterday #45

Looking at it as a big tent is the way for the Dem party to thrive. yellow dahlia Yesterday #136

Recommended! hamsterjill Yesterday #46

The hardest part isn't the messaging, it's the money mdbl Yesterday #68

Your point is valid. hamsterjill Yesterday #98

Welcome to the Old Farts Club mdbl 12 hrs ago #261

lol SonOfNebanaube 9 hrs ago #280

The purity tests should end with the primaries mdbl Yesterday #80

SELF destructive. And really ignorant. Scrivener7 Yesterday #103

+1 leftstreet 20 hrs ago #243

Yes, it is just a word. But it's a word that the right will stroke into a frenzy. hadEnuf 11 hrs ago #264

Just "Democrats." We don't need to change our name bc his mouth spewed something. Scrivener7 10 hrs ago #266

No name change, just a clarification of the truth. hadEnuf 10 hrs ago #268

"A word the right will stroke into a frenzy"....like every other word they stroke into a BComplex 9 hrs ago #274

The word socialist means something more than the usual right-wing litany of insults. hadEnuf 5 hrs ago #305

Neither of us know who this country will or won't elect -misanthroptimist Yesterday #3

Because "democrats" didn't vote democratic or didn't vote due to progressive purity. boston bean Yesterday #6

You're sick of people voting their conscience? -misanthroptimist Yesterday #11

Yes their pure conscience helped bring us us mango Mussolini. boston bean Yesterday #15

Really? -misanthroptimist Yesterday #22

The two times we lost we had coronations. Gore1FL Yesterday #26

Or women candidates Blaukraut Yesterday #29

And many who supported Sanders in 2016 voted for Trump. Both offered the same thing question everything Yesterday #37

Only those lacking a BS detector would equate Sanders and Donald (n/m) Soul_of_Wit Yesterday #42

Not today. But in 2016 many did question everything Yesterday #44

And they lacked a BS detector in 2016 (n/m) Soul_of_Wit Yesterday #62

How many? Link to a poll, please (nt) muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #82

You can read up on it here. sheshe2 Yesterday #137

Thank you. My cynicism was wrong. (nt) muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #143

Not sure about that. AloeVera Yesterday #215

Or you can read a real analysis which shows most of the Trump voters who supported Sanders in Nanjeanne 11 hrs ago #265

Bernie lost the primary because the democratic party wouldn't let him participate in BComplex 9 hrs ago #276

Analyzing how Bernie Sanders supporters voted in the 2016 General Election by Brian Schaffner, Tufts University question everything Yesterday #181

Post removed Post removed Yesterday #73

Her name is Hillary. mr715 Yesterday #77

Also I think if you arent personal friends with somebody, referring to them by their last name is proper SSJVegeta Yesterday #84

I prefer Secretary and Senator Clinton. mr715 Yesterday #89

Truth SSJVegeta Yesterday #91

Huh? TVguyCards Yesterday #147

Sanders: "they turned to Trump because Trump said things that made sense." betsuni Yesterday #176

I do not believe that either Hillary Clinton or Kamala Harris lost. yellow dahlia Yesterday #149

YES!! Yellow dahlia nailed it! BComplex 9 hrs ago #278

Thanks, BC. I have paid so much attention to these two elections since November 2016, yellow dahlia 8 hrs ago #290

And it freaks me out to this day that democrats weren't shouting this from the rafters! BComplex 8 hrs ago #296

Exactly! In 2016 I read an article that raised the alarm about the election results, yellow dahlia 7 hrs ago #302

That is simply false mcar Yesterday #115

I agree with you that the nomination should not have been stolen from Bernie. yellow dahlia Yesterday #145

The DNC did not rig anything. creeksneakers2 Yesterday #174

Sanders: "I wouldn't use the word rigged, because we knew what the rules were -- but what betsuni Yesterday #213

That interview w/ Bernie was before the leaked emails that were revealed in July and November 2016. yellow dahlia 23 hrs ago #221

Sanders: "If they went into our emails I'm sure there would be statements that would betsuni 19 hrs ago #249

I never said Bernie said there was rigging, but others of us did. yellow dahlia 19 hrs ago #253

What are you talking about? mcar 23 hrs ago #220

This is what I am talking about. yellow dahlia 23 hrs ago #222

That didn't change the popular vote iemanja 21 hrs ago #236

The DNC conspired so that Bernie wouldn't get the nomination, in the primary. yellow dahlia 21 hrs ago #240

She got the popular vote in the primary iemanja 20 hrs ago #244

The primaries and nomination involve more than just the popular vote. yellow dahlia 20 hrs ago #246

I've stated the facts iemanja 20 hrs ago #248

The super - delegates are not determined by the will of the people - on the contrary. yellow dahlia 19 hrs ago #250

"Sanders could not have possibly won the nomination after May 3 -- at that point, he needed 984 betsuni 18 hrs ago #259

Hillary Clinton received 3.7 million more votes than Bernie Sanders Quiet Em 19 hrs ago #252

It's about the Super - Delegates. yellow dahlia 19 hrs ago #254

It was fair. It wasn't even close. Quiet Em 18 hrs ago #255

Yes the lawsuit was thrown out, due to lack of standing. The judge said the DNC did indeed undermine yellow dahlia 18 hrs ago #256

The people did pick the nominee. Quiet Em 18 hrs ago #258

Actually, the judge said he "assumed" the plaintiff's positions to determine Nixie 5 hrs ago #307

It's called voting. Conspiracy theories about rigging and plots oppressing "victims" is a problem. betsuni Yesterday #186

We lost the Supreme Court because of that "purity". "Conscience" is not the same thing lostincalifornia Yesterday #67

The Supreme Court WAS lost due to "purity testing" - just not the way you think. AloeVera Yesterday #206

I disagree with your use of the word "fact". yellow dahlia Yesterday #139

Best evidence possible creeksneakers2 Yesterday #182

The article does not say that Democrats were driven by conscience, and so pissed off that Bernie didn't get the yellow dahlia Yesterday #197

Its not the only time it ever happened creeksneakers2 Yesterday #199

The point I'm making is - bitter Dems DID NOT cost Hillary Clinton the election. yellow dahlia Yesterday #201

I've never seen any evidence of any election fraud. creeksneakers2 Yesterday #203

That is not the primary point. The NPR article DID NOT claim that bitter Dems cost Hillary Clinton the election. yellow dahlia Yesterday #209

fine creeksneakers2 Yesterday #211

NOT a "fact". The republican media brought us to this place, plus billionaires BComplex 9 hrs ago #275

I have to agree with boston bean in that I'm sick of people on our side not understanding what a vote actually is. Scrivener7 Yesterday #49

You're going to be sick a long time -misanthroptimist Yesterday #58

Require Civics class in high school. Scrivener7 Yesterday #99

There are limits -misanthroptimist Yesterday #123

Michigan voters who didn't vote chose a bus that took them to Wyoming then blew up with them inside it. Scrivener7 Yesterday #125

Hypothetically -misanthroptimist Yesterday #132

When that situation arises, we can talk about it. Scrivener7 Yesterday #135

Then it wouldn't be hypothetical, right? -misanthroptimist Yesterday #141

You do you. Scrivener7 Yesterday #142

I'm irrelevant -misanthroptimist Yesterday #144

I hope they take a good look at the result of their choice creeksneakers2 Yesterday #185

Some will -misanthroptimist Yesterday #195

I hope so. creeksneakers2 Yesterday #196

Good analogy. I'm in 100% agreement. oasis Yesterday #66

But if 100% of the growth is in the suburbs, maybe it's time to extend the circle line. meadowlander Yesterday #79

The OP is about something happening now, not "people on our side not understanding what a vote actually is" muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #90

I'm concerned about future ones. Because it has happened in every previous one I can think of. Scrivener7 Yesterday #100

So you're happy with a pre-emptive "fuck the other people on the left" OP? muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #105

I don't really know what you're on about. No, I'm not refighting anything. And that's not how I read the OP. Scrivener7 Yesterday #107

"Because it has happened in every previous one I can think of" muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #112

Oh it's refighting? It's not just recalling or what one calls remembering? boston bean Yesterday #151

Yes, when you accuse your opponents of "cannibalizing" the party, muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #156

Some comprehension would be very helpful here. boston bean Yesterday #158

Some meaningful writing in the OP would have been very helpful. muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #161

Nope. 👎 boston bean Yesterday #180

The bus, however, should be free mr715 Yesterday #96

It is! That's the beauty! Scrivener7 Yesterday #101

That's the best description I've seen buzzycrumbhunger Yesterday #108

Love this analogy! mcar Yesterday #116

Well done! A very apt analogy! Abolishinist Yesterday #198

I voted my conscience in 2016 and 2024 mcar Yesterday #114

And I respect your views -misanthroptimist Yesterday #127

The people who desert us keep saying that creeksneakers2 Yesterday #166

How can they ignore the 5 million people who are losing health care creeksneakers2 Yesterday #171

You are indeed free to give you opinion -misanthroptimist Yesterday #173

I've never changed a mind creeksneakers2 Yesterday #177

Aren't you advocating for more of the same? Renew Deal Yesterday #113

Obama was exceptional. Clinton was highly competent BUT had both sides dragging her down, ALONG WITH RandomNumbers Yesterday #21

If, in 2006, someone had said... -misanthroptimist Yesterday #27

Then you don't remember it well angrychair Yesterday #51

I didn't know about PUMAS. I learn something every day. yellow dahlia Yesterday #159

But Clinton herself supported Obama after the primary. Very soon after, RandomNumbers 8 hrs ago #284

Die-hard Hillary supporters spawned their own website, too: Rob H. 5 hrs ago #308

This message was self-deleted by its author boston bean Yesterday #4

See ya bye orangecrush Yesterday #8

Ya think? boston bean Yesterday #9

The vocal far left from the big cities is the voice we get labeled with and costs us votes. Melon Yesterday #10

"Far left" Mysterian Yesterday #124

There is a spectrum of beliefs within every party. Melon Yesterday #129

There are no "far left" politicians in the Democratic party Mysterian Yesterday #131

No. My beliefs have been very similar since post college with slight adjustments. Melon Yesterday #138

According to your post #10, the spectrum in the Democratic party is all the way from "moderate" to "conservative" muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #140

Sorry...typing on a tablet. Melon Yesterday #148

Thanks - that makes sense (nt) muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #150

Why do you think a democratic socialist will be the nominee in 2028? Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #12

I am baffled by your forgetfulness of recent history. boston bean Yesterday #14

Party unity isn't achieved by the left acquiescing to the centrists Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #23

I don't see how affordability creeksneakers2 Yesterday #188

I voted for Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton Soul_of_Wit Yesterday #38

Which self identified democratic socialist has announced a run for president? muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #16

What? boston bean Yesterday #17

A quote from the OP, which you wrote: muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #20

I haven't seen AOC tear the party down creeksneakers2 Yesterday #190

That might be what's behind the OP muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #204

I think its about what is going on right here. creeksneakers2 Yesterday #205

Not just for that creeksneakers2 21 hrs ago #237

That's a lot of "what ifs" for people to be "sick of this fucking shit" over 2 years before (nt) muriel_volestrangler 21 hrs ago #242

Not terribly unlikely ones though. creeksneakers2 20 hrs ago #245

I don't think she could win as president in 2028. She could win US Senate. LeftInTX 23 hrs ago #232

They said she might try that. creeksneakers2 21 hrs ago #238

I recommend Xanax. mr715 Yesterday #18

Yep, centrism works so well. Oh wait... orthoclad Yesterday #19

How do we taste? You're the one doing the cannibalizing. mr715 Yesterday #25

I was going to ask what wine i pair best with n/t gay texan Yesterday #69

You are a Texan? mr715 Yesterday #75

Yes! N/t gay texan Yesterday #76

Chianti. AloeVera Yesterday #117

Gracious! H2O Man Yesterday #28

Agreed. The midterms are crucial. We need to save Democracy. yellow dahlia Yesterday #162

Some people are addicted to the drama. Same as it ever was. demmiblue 12 hrs ago #262

Well said Auggie Yesterday #30

Can you explain what "this shit" is, then? muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #34

Suspect it's Mamdani-backed candidates winning in the New York primaries meadowlander Yesterday #39

I agree with " we should be running the candidate that can win the district" muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #63

It's "we get smeared with the views of the most extreme amongst us" meadowlander Yesterday #70

I agree with you. I'm hoping that someone who recommended the OP muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #78

Shit that is going on creeksneakers2 Yesterday #194

Thank you for being specific. muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #207

Wasn't the case before creeksneakers2 Yesterday #210

Word! yellow dahlia Yesterday #163

Kamala is talking with Mamdani creeksneakers2 Yesterday #191

I never said "this shit." The OP did. Auggie Yesterday #85

You said the OP was "well said" muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #93

You are wicked sharp orangecrush Yesterday #146

Vote on policy duckworth969 Yesterday #32

"... contact the centrist of your choice..." Shipwack Yesterday #83

Kudos to you for understanding nuance. yellow dahlia Yesterday #164

Nope creeksneakers2 Yesterday #214

"... contact the centrist of your choice..." Shipwack Yesterday #86

And there it is. Exactly what I speak of. boston bean Yesterday #130

Yet another OP attacking progressives angrychair Yesterday #35

I'm a progressive and I very much agree with OP. W_HAMILTON Yesterday #55

The OP is largely refering to primary challenges. Not whether dems are supported. SSJVegeta Yesterday #59

The OP was talking about electing a president and not tearing down Democrats. W_HAMILTON Yesterday #65

"Tearing down" seemed to mean being democratic socialist. And came with few specifics SSJVegeta Yesterday #71

That's not what they want angrychair Yesterday #126

Right on! creeksneakers2 Yesterday #208

It is the website for you. SSJVegeta Yesterday #56

The forum needs you. We need all voices. yellow dahlia Yesterday #167

The existential threat to labor and young people by AI and robotics in the next ten years meadowlander Yesterday #36

THIS gay texan Yesterday #74

Hear! Hear! yellow dahlia Yesterday #168

Then after the primaries we should all pull together creeksneakers2 Yesterday #216

I think of what popsdenver Yesterday #40

I believe the destruction that followed the 2016 election is circumstantial evidence that yellow dahlia Yesterday #172

It is pathetic. Have we forgotten 2000, 2016, and 2024? We lost at those critical times lostincalifornia Yesterday #48

Democratic voters are being influenced by third parties, such as the Green Party and Party for Socialism and Liberation. LeftInTX 23 hrs ago #231

"Destroy" becomes "transform" because it sounds nicer, but it means destroy and punish, ends justify the means. betsuni 17 hrs ago #260

I'm not saying it's right or wrong angrychair 21 hrs ago #235

People are told that Democrats aren't progressive -- labeling them establishment/centrist/corporatist, etc. . betsuni Yesterday #52

Nobody in the Democratic party was talking about universal health care or raising the minimum wage before Bernie was. meadowlander Yesterday #61

No. Ted Kennedy had been saying health care is a right, not a privilege since the '70s. betsuni Yesterday #106

Right, except I was alive through all of those election cycles meadowlander Yesterday #119

That's because its true creeksneakers2 Yesterday #218

And Hillary as First Lady fighting for universal healthcare. boston bean 23 hrs ago #226

She was responsible for the Children's Health Insurance Program too, which nobody seems to know. betsuni 21 hrs ago #241

Coalition building! yellow dahlia Yesterday #175

Really? sheshe2 Yesterday #192

I remember Hillary Clinton's proposals for universal healthcare. Nixie Yesterday #102

Yes, new definition of universal health care is Medicare for All only as purity test. betsuni Yesterday #128

++++ Nixie Yesterday #217

Yep. mcar Yesterday #118

Vermont was literally the reddest state in the country until it elected Bernie.And it still elects republicans regularly SSJVegeta Yesterday #53

Oklahoma, Wyoming, Idaho, Louisiana etc would like a word. BannonsLiver Yesterday #183

Um.Most of those states were blue when Bernie was elected in 1990 SSJVegeta 23 hrs ago #228

IMHO, Democrats overestimate everything about the voting public:..... ColoringFool Yesterday #57

The focus should be on the GOP and not anyone of any persuasion that identifies as a Democrat. walkingman Yesterday #60

Word! yellow dahlia Yesterday #134

Word! yellow dahlia Yesterday #179

thank you - I swear these threads are going to kill us TBF 21 hrs ago #234

K & R SunSeeker Yesterday #64

"Your views aren't welcome unless you suppress them." David__77 Yesterday #72

Touch grass. Stacey Grove Yesterday #87

Really! wolfie001 7 hrs ago #298

America elected FDR to 4 terms IronLionZion Yesterday #88

Good rant lefthandedskyhook Yesterday #92

FIGHT OLIGARCHY usonian Yesterday #94

my beef w them is the blatant antisemitism. mopinko Yesterday #95

Netanyahu Gaza genocide of civilians is not acceptable DemocracyForever Yesterday #184

propaganda. mopinko Yesterday #193

Killing children is propaganda? DemocracyForever Yesterday #202

Left Center Right dave99 Yesterday #97

Where did this come from? mcar Yesterday #121

I agree larwdem Yesterday #104

K&R mcar Yesterday #109

Thanks for sharing the status quo position. Renew Deal Yesterday #111

And we can't just sit by while the fucking Heritage Foundation takes a wrecking ball to our rights and freedoms. Initech Yesterday #120

The ONLY winning strategy is voting blue in the general. Buddyzbuddy Yesterday #122

I understand where you are coming from and feel/think we should call progressive Democrats, FDR Democrats. cksmithy Yesterday #133

"Progressive" orangecrush Yesterday #152

Calling someone an "FDR Democrat" is incredibly backward-looking muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #153

Yes a progressive is a good thing, all I said is a Democratic socialist, cksmithy Yesterday #200

Have to agree blubunyip 8 hrs ago #297

I'm personally a progressive, but also pragmatic. Despite what some people believe, we are basically a Raftergirl Yesterday #155

Love your post!!! creeksneakers2 Yesterday #157

I remember people here saying Obama would never be elected Skittles Yesterday #169

At my job the average age is about 27. Eko Yesterday #170

I felt this way 25 years ago. Alice B. 10 hrs ago #267

+1 leftstreet 9 hrs ago #277

... demmiblue Yesterday #178

The status quo isn't working DemocracyForever Yesterday #189

If you see the political struggle in the US as Left vs Right then you are part of the PROBLEM Tim S Yesterday #212

"Democratic Socialists recognize it and want change to rebalance things." Buddyzbuddy 23 hrs ago #230

People are eventually going to tire of MAGA policies EnergizedLib 23 hrs ago #219

Eventually? mr715 23 hrs ago #223

And do we need Florida to control Washington? EnergizedLib 23 hrs ago #224

We need Florida to at least partially sink into the sea... mr715 23 hrs ago #225

I'm watching the Michigan senate race. It looks like El-Sayed will win the primary. LeftInTX 23 hrs ago #227

It looks to me more and more that... WestMichRad 23 hrs ago #229

yup - and btw Skittles 21 hrs ago #239

I don't know if the Democratic Socialist brand is the right thing, but the candidates themselves are who will save us. Music Man 20 hrs ago #247

IMO the "socialist" label moondust 19 hrs ago #251

If this is about Chevalier, yeah, she has said some stupid shit in the past Quiet Em 18 hrs ago #257

Agree / disagree 4bonhoffer 11 hrs ago #263

Exactly. The fact that there is even discourse about whether or not the Democrats would be better than what we have now. madibella 10 hrs ago #269

The ratchet analogy is quite illustrative here Orrex 10 hrs ago #270

"I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat." krawhitham 9 hrs ago #282

Yadda, yadda, yadda. Here are some basic facts for you indusurb 9 hrs ago #283

This message was self-deleted by its author nankerphelge 8 hrs ago #285

Sure, just hoist the white flag and accept the status quo. Scruffy1 8 hrs ago #286

We lost Bernie voters to the Idiot in Chief IbogaProject 8 hrs ago #288

Exactly agree! SamuelAdams 8 hrs ago #289

"Hamas slogans"? wolfie001 7 hrs ago #301

Biden had much narrower Congressional majorities in his first two years because Soul_of_Wit 6 hrs ago #303

Socialism represents public power. Of course Republican and centrists are going to fight this. Fuck em! Emile 8 hrs ago #291

My Social Security check every month is Socialism and I'm still crying about it! Medicare too! wolfie001 7 hrs ago #300

NO Chi67 8 hrs ago #295

..... wolfie001 7 hrs ago #299

I don't understand your logic. CrimsonBight 5 hrs ago #306

"Joe Biden was a great president." Rob H. 5 hrs ago #309