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Squinch

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93. That article doesn't refute the OP though. It says that homicides in Stand your Ground states

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 09:51 AM

Jan 2013

go up 7 to 9 percent when the law is enacted (again I say, good lord!) and that the increase is higher among white men.

The fact that more white men are killed in Stand Your Ground states doesn't prove that the impulse for passing the law was not racist.

It could be, and I would wager it is, caused by the fact that a certain type of man, who nods approvingly at Charlton Heston's words, only associates willingly with white men. When this certain type of Charlton Heston fan gets pissed off, the likelihood is that there will only be other white men handy to fight with. With these laws, what used to be a fist fight turns into a shooting.

It could be that the increase in killings of white men under the Stand Your Ground laws is caused by simple proximity to those who feel that the Stand Your Ground laws were necessary in the first place.

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The whole gun regulation debate come down to 3 words, white male privilege [View all] MightyMopar Jan 2013 OP

Oh Bullshit. Please stop it. It's racist to try to attach gun rights to caucasian people. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #1

OK. So I gotta ask, are you being ironic here? Robb Jan 2013 #2

The gun lobby's newfound embrace of minorities is as forced and awkward as the Republicans MightyMopar Jan 2013 #9

Good lord! I never saw this before. Charlton is more of a crackpot than I thought! Squinch Jan 2013 #13

Then there's the NRA/ALEC "stand your ground" law that works so well on black teenagers MightyMopar Jan 2013 #40

Just google "NRA comic book" if you want to see gun lobby/NRA/ALEC racial fear mongering MightyMopar Jan 2013 #54

Study shows more whites killed under Stand Your Ground... JoeBlowToo Jan 2013 #80

That article doesn't refute the OP though. It says that homicides in Stand your Ground states Squinch Jan 2013 #93

Delete. Replied to wrong poster. spin Jan 2013 #188

Read a study earlier today Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #156

Thanks for that post. Never knew Heston put it out there so bluntly Number23 Jan 2013 #200

The OP is casting a decidedly race-based set of conclusions upon an otherwise color-free discussion. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #12

You know the thing about privilege. Robb Jan 2013 #35

Well, first.... NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #219

Bravo! Vinnie From Indy Jan 2013 #226

gun ownership is mostly white and male CreekDog Jan 2013 #52

Let me add to that rightsideout Jan 2013 #58

Not exactly. Dr_Scholl Jan 2013 #74

Wrong rl6214 Jan 2013 #77

yours is only an anecdote, mine is based on more than one poll/study CreekDog Jan 2013 #78

I don't see anywhere where you posted any polls or studies, that makes your post rl6214 Jan 2013 #79

yours is still an anecdote and mine is not CreekDog Jan 2013 #81

A graph that doesn't mention ethnicity or gender? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #102

Cute graph...you still haven't posted any facts which makes yours rl6214 Jan 2013 #163

Yes, you are right he is wrong. aptal Jan 2013 #192

Gun ownership is a greater predictor of political party more than many other demographics kwassa Jan 2013 #194

And this has what to do with my post #79? rl6214 Jan 2013 #195

Pointing out the variable of party affiliation, and to look at gender and race that Creek Dog ... kwassa Jan 2013 #196

Did you read the Charlton Heston quote. How could this discusssion possibly be "color free"? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #202

You have it 100% wrong. former9thward Jan 2013 #180

Oh, review your history, please. Robb Jan 2013 #181

Don't try and move the goalposts. former9thward Jan 2013 #184

Are you deliberately obtuse? Robb Jan 2013 #185

You don't know the ideology of the Panthers so don't bother pretending. former9thward Jan 2013 #187

You are intolerable. Go read a book. Robb Jan 2013 #193

Wow! And you call yourself a democrat?? Wow. Just Wow. madinmaryland Jan 2013 #11

How on earth is throwing out the term "white male privilege" a conversationally productive thing? NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #14

Are you serious??? I am fucking speechless. madinmaryland Jan 2013 #26

I like you, madinmaryland. I really do. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #199

It's not racism if it's not a white male heterosexual saying it, Confusious Jan 2013 #51

Okay, how about just "male privilege". whathehell Jan 2013 #101

Are you suggesting there is no such thing as white male privilege in the US? n/t Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #157

This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #160

Did I say that? NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #198

Why is that there can be endless conversations about "what's wrong with black people" Number23 Jan 2013 #201

I don't think most of these people are actual Democrats MightyMopar Jan 2013 #203

I think it just proves what every person of color already knows Number23 Jan 2013 #204

Here's what I think. I think that desperate people fall back on racial arguments when desperatel NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #205

Not that I know what "desperatel" means Number23 Jan 2013 #206

I was, of course, not rewferring to you as desperate... NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #207

The problem is the OP reduction of a major issue to one of race, any race, I don't care. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #228

a lot of us have hurt our jaws asking the same question CreekDog Jan 2013 #53

You type with your jaws??? madinmaryland Jan 2013 #55

How many NRA members are other than White? Give us a break with that BS. Hoyt Jan 2013 #110

me and my wife are as well as most of our African american friends that own guns generalhh Jan 2013 #120

So we have 3 belonging to group (NRA) with board members like Grove Norquist, T Nugent, John Bolton, Hoyt Jan 2013 #121

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #126

Since you describe yourself as a Libertarian, I am not surprised you are a gun apologist. Hoyt Jan 2013 #136

Again with the gun owners = NRA fallacy SQUEE Jan 2013 #209

Talk about the irony here: MrScorpio Jan 2013 #168

Who controls guns in this country has been a debate about race since day one in this country MrScorpio Jan 2013 #170

The only sensible 3 word reply to this is... cbrer Jan 2013 #3

Yes, because there was no gun culture before 2008... Coyote_Tan Jan 2013 #4

I don't understand the reference to 2008. Could you elaborate? Squinch Jan 2013 #16

That's when Obama first won election. alp227 Jan 2013 #62

There was white male loss-of-primacy angst before Obama came on the scene. Squinch Jan 2013 #95

Interesting take. Marinedem Jan 2013 #5

Next to my Lamborghini, pet unicorn and six-pack abs? Robb Jan 2013 #7

They'll claim they belong to ACORN,teach gays how to defend themselves from other gun guys,vote Dem MightyMopar Jan 2013 #10

LOL, whatever. Marinedem Jan 2013 #19

Clearly you faked those photos in the past 10 minutes using secret NRA technology! Kurska Jan 2013 #21

Of course! Marinedem Jan 2013 #25

How dastardly Kurska Jan 2013 #36

Now that you put it that way, it is possible MightyMopar Jan 2013 #179

The pictures came from his website. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #142

Good thing he's gotten TSed. I wonder how long it will take before that BlueCaliDem Jan 2013 #161

Yes they can. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #164

Excellent! eom BlueCaliDem Jan 2013 #189

So he's been PPRd as a troll RetroLounge Jan 2013 #166

What say you now? Kingofalldems Jan 2013 #183

This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog Jan 2013 #130

I really wish you MEN would stop showing women HockeyMom Jan 2013 #175

See my response below. Marinedem Jan 2013 #27

You're *not* a white guy? Robb Jan 2013 #32

His girlfriend isn't Kurska Jan 2013 #38

I guess he'll have to apologize to MarineDem's zombie. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #144

And now that the troll has been PPRd, who are you apologizing to? RetroLounge Jan 2013 #167

Give it up. Marinedem Jan 2013 #42

Now I'm confused. Robb Jan 2013 #59

give it up... you look dimmer with every post stklurker Jan 2013 #61

I'm the one that schooled your trollin ass. Marinedem Jan 2013 #70

3-3 to leave it NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #71

The jury system MIGHT be flawed. Moses2SandyKoufax Jan 2013 #72

Or not sarisataka Jan 2013 #134

You spent two hours convincing some guy on the Internet you really have a girlfriend. Robb Jan 2013 #85

LOL! Gidney N Cloyd Jan 2013 #133

Well, Marinedem posted his pictures below. Looking forward to yours...... (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #28

He sure did. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #145

Hey, knock it off. Ikonoklast Jan 2013 #30

Please accept this sincere proposal of marriage, which has nothing merrily Jan 2013 #39

No worries, they'll tell you she doesn't exist just like they told me I wasn't gay. Kurska Jan 2013 #15

Just Google "pink pistols" and make up your own mind MightyMopar Jan 2013 #20

Make up my mind about whether I exist? Who am I, Ren� Descartes? Kurska Jan 2013 #24

See my response. Marinedem Jan 2013 #22

shouldn't it be "paid" NRA troll infiltrator.......... crazyjoe Jan 2013 #43

Oh yeah I forgot that Kurska Jan 2013 #46

Exactly right. nt onehandle Jan 2013 #6

they are certainly the most paranoid group Skittles Jan 2013 #8

Gawd. Do you have any stats to back this up? Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #17

Yeah, take Adam Lanza's mom for example. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #18

Then there's her son MightyMopar Jan 2013 #23

I want gun control but that OP is a lot of horse shit! upaloopa Jan 2013 #29

Please don't give him any ideas. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #37

I know, right? Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #41

Soooo, I just have to ask... bitchinabluestreak Jan 2013 #31

bitchinabluestreak said: "considered myself a democrat up until the ACA" MightyMopar Jan 2013 #63

You know, the Nazis had little pieces of flair... slackmaster Jan 2013 #33

Bwahaha... that made me laugh out loud. Now I feel terrible. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #47

I disagree and think it is mistake to couch this important issue in these terms... jimlup Jan 2013 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author MightyMopar Jan 2013 #48

My only question is merrily Jan 2013 #44

Interesting OP given that gun control is historically rooted in Jim Crow & Racism. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #45

Sullivan Act (immigrants), Mulford Act (Black Panthers), various Southern "Declared Emergency" acts X_Digger Jan 2013 #49

And black people used to vote Republican and now they don't MightyMopar Jan 2013 #50

lol obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #131

Pistol permits in NC were started to keep Blacks from owning handguns obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #128

Wow, pulling the race card out!? NEG Jan 2013 #56

White male privilege responsible for shooting, professor argues MightyMopar Jan 2013 #57

Adam Lanza's mom was a dude? *mind blown* AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #65

I guess you must have been watching Fox News, her white male son was the mass murderer MightyMopar Jan 2013 #67

Her white male son with known mental health issues, and a history of violence and also AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #69

Hugo Schwyzer is grasping for.... NEG Jan 2013 #125

shallow H2O Man Jan 2013 #60

White people make up 78% of the US population, and commit 46% of the murders. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #64

54% of Americans want stricter gun laws including 59% of women, 56% percent of white men oppose them MightyMopar Jan 2013 #66

+1 virgogal Jan 2013 #176

Wow. Just, wow. flvegan Jan 2013 #68

OK,let's be frank DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #73

What he said! Squinch Jan 2013 #98

honestly because they dont want to the criminals next victim generalhh Jan 2013 #124

lets define some concepts DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #197

Argue the merits of your position rather than insulting those who disagree (nt) Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #75

I live in Texas, the lines I see at local shops are all Hispanic. rl6214 Jan 2013 #76

And North Korea has a cute girl rockband and China now has a more middleclass people than America MightyMopar Jan 2013 #88

Race baiting thread rl6214 Jan 2013 #165

Buying military weapons - opportunity to make a monetary killing.... Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author aikoaiko Jan 2013 #83

Well, when one promises to ban something useful, people who can will tend to hoard. aikoaiko Jan 2013 #84

It's very simple-minded to reduce such a complex issue to a racial/gender stereotype. nt bemildred Jan 2013 #86

In the future the political bogeyman won't be the black man but the white guy with guns MightyMopar Jan 2013 #87

Thanks for clearing that up Nostradamus. bemildred Jan 2013 #91

Sure, but stereotypes are not entirely useless. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #90

How do you feel about applying that notion to gay stereotypes???? nt bemildred Jan 2013 #92

It depends on why one would be doing this. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #94

Statistical research is not stereotypes. bemildred Jan 2013 #96

Read "and the band played on" and the great bath house wars of the early 80s. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #97

No, that was understanding real gay culture, which was necessary. bemildred Jan 2013 #100

Well said, bemildred. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #210

Why thank you. bemildred Jan 2013 #211

You leave out the gangs who are mostly male but also brown, black and white. upaloopa Jan 2013 #103

Urban gun ownership rates, non white gun ownership rates are very low Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #105

You are fucking lame. I was a rural white man gun owner. We had single action pistols, shot guns upaloopa Jan 2013 #107

There is a violent gang culture that isn't hack89 Jan 2013 #119

My great grandmother owned, as did my grandmother, as did my mother, and I do too. TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #89

So in otherwords; credit card debt can be surmised by white female privilidge... Earth_First Jan 2013 #99

Not really true OccupyManny Jan 2013 #104

Agree With OP - White Male Privilege Is A Significant Obstacle To Outlawing Guns In America cantbeserious Jan 2013 #106

bullshit. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #108

Yahoos lined up at Atlanta gun show to buy assault weapons only one week after Sandy Hook Hoyt Jan 2013 #109

Over 2100 views, 110 replies, but not a ... 99Forever Jan 2013 #111

15 recs MightyMopar Jan 2013 #112

My bad... 99Forever Jan 2013 #114

Happiness is a warm gun! MightyMopar Jan 2013 #182

Did anyone in this thread actually look up any statistics gollygee Jan 2013 #113

Thanks for the graph. Interesting stats... TeeYiYi Jan 2013 #122

You mean other races can't buy firearms? ileus Jan 2013 #115

I guess those black people with a gun are white. musical_soul Jan 2013 #116

Young African American Male. College Educated, Small businessman, very involved in commuinty generalhh Jan 2013 #117

And every word of it true. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #148

What a load of s^^t. tradecenter Jan 2013 #118

So you are saying white male previlege has no political implications in this debate? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #127

MightyMopar..... NEG Jan 2013 #132

Exactly! tradecenter Jan 2013 #137

And yet another Gungeon troll billh58 Jan 2013 #146

So what was your last user name on this website? UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #150

What's that supposed to mean? tradecenter Jan 2013 #169

good observation samsingh Jan 2013 #123

I'm a lesbian and a lefty obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #129

BUT Berserker Jan 2013 #135

NOT A SINGLE POST TO DISPROVE THAT GUN OWNERSHIP ISN'T OVERWHELMINGLY WHITE MALE MightyMopar Jan 2013 #138

I GUESS THAT SAYS IT ALL Berserker Jan 2013 #140

Using Romney's pollster you're right but whites aren't a majority anymore MightyMopar Jan 2013 #141

Bullshit, mopar Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #139

So you are armed billh58 Jan 2013 #147

Ummmm... Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #149

So you "reasonably" expect to be invaded by our government? billh58 Jan 2013 #151

Explain to me... Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #153

I didn't say that you should put billh58 Jan 2013 #154

We are not... Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #155

Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #162

Bury my Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #171

Thanks for the correction nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #172

and yet you think I as a Jew am paranoid or ... SQUEE Jan 2013 #212

And many of us have said never again to genocide nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #213

Jew card..Hardly SQUEE Jan 2013 #214

Point to any progromm in US history nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #215

in deference to the flu I will assume you meant Pogrom. SQUEE Jan 2013 #216

You do that nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #217

first so we are on the same page SQUEE Jan 2013 #218

Second, so we are on the same page nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #220

Given US history (why you are) nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #158

Lets see what Michael Moore has to say about this AZ Progressive Jan 2013 #143

And women who think a gun makes them SEXY to gun toting men HockeyMom Jan 2013 #152

Race is a component, at least in some regions. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #159

Think about this. If African Americans were walking around with guns hanging off their madinmaryland Jan 2013 #173

Why I said it is nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #174

It is actually a component everywhere in this country. madinmaryland Jan 2013 #178

having toys=freedom fascisthunter Jan 2013 #177

Apparently all the squirrels aren't in the woods today. nt Remmah2 Jan 2013 #186

People are throwing hissy fits about your OP, did you know that? 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #190

It's just constructive dialogue, can't leave white male privilege out of the discussion MightyMopar Jan 2013 #191

You aren't a bigot. But reducing the gun debate to those three words is a bigoted concept. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #208

This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #221

Correlation is not causation. The OP is bigoted race-baiting flamebait. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #222

This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #223

The failure of your replies is this: NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #224

This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #225

The WHOLE gun debate is about white, male privilege? Vinnie From Indy Jan 2013 #227