I'm starting to believe that much of the gun debate is about something else than guns.

[samsingh]

45. you're absolutely right - i've seen them all the time

this discussion always starts the same way:

- OP that wants to reduce gun violence and offers suggestions
- gun lovers pick through the post and identify places they can ask for more information, why offering platidudes of how there is no evidence that gun control reduces gun violence (with no evidence ironically, or selected evidence)
- personal attacks - e.g. you don't understand history, i'm a historian see, so anything i say is right
- logic similar to 'there is no proof that human activities contribute to climate change' are offered
- eventually the discussion goes to the 2nd amendment gives me the right to arms 'not infringed' ignroing the 'well-regulated militia' clause

You're right, anyone in these threads have or should have seen the comments. You shouldn't need to spend your time finding and restating what's already been said in order to express an opinion.