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AnotherMcIntosh

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86. What I know is that (1) what has been claimed is not supported by the actual words used

Reply to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #22)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 12:13 PM

Jan 2013

by rDigital and (2) the actual words by rDigitial do not support an inference that rDigital or any other DUers

"peddle crazy fantasies such that "armed citizens would have stopped Hitler".

The actual words used in his poll (and in which he never claimed that "guns would have stopped the Holocaust&quot

can be found here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/117284156

As pointed out at #85, the poster asked two questions in a poll in which other DUers could make a choice

(1) Anti Gunners are Holocaust Enablers, and
(2) Anti Gunners are not Holocaust Enablers

By offering a choice in poll, the author of that OP neither unqualifiedly said that "guns would have stopped the Holocaust" (your words) nor that "armed citizens would have stopped Hitler" (the words of the author of the OP above).
http://www.democraticunderground.com/117284156

You say that "I have no desire to play ... games with you." Actually you do. You falsely state that I know something that I do not. At a time when anyone can look at the actual words used by rDigital, you falsely state that "rDigital said guns would have stopped the Holocaust." And a fair reading of your post show that you state by implication that rDigital was a person who peddled "crazy fantasies such that 'armed citizens would have stopped Hitler'."

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I'm starting to believe that much of the gun debate is about something else than guns. [View all] redgreenandblue Jan 2013 OP

Do you have links for your statement "Others romanticize gun possession based on some sentimental AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #1

Maybe they were right-wing trolls. redgreenandblue Jan 2013 #2

So 1) you can't support your claim about DU posts with links, 2) you speculate that the post that AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #6

Right wing trolls? JohnRebel Jan 2013 #8

My words speak for themselves. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #10

You should very, very carefully read one post up-thread of the person you responded to. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #17

And another one scurries in. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #20

And out, notably. Robb Jan 2013 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #76

I am not going to browse through DU to pick out the instances I have noticed. redgreenandblue Jan 2013 #9

We now seem to be dealing with moving goal posts. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #12

... redgreenandblue Jan 2013 #15

How many times must we be put through this absurd dance with you ?? King_Klonopin Jan 2013 #26

"How many times must we ..." None. None at all. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #83

Geeezzzz...give it up already!! blueamy66 Jan 2013 #82

If you support falsely attributing statments to others, that's your choice. It's not mine. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #91

Who is "you"? blueamy66 Jan 2013 #93

If any of those links referred to text supported the quoted statements, the text would AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #96

you're absolutely right - i've seen them all the time samsingh Jan 2013 #45

Nor do you have to search all of DU to support your claim. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #69

Do you think you are clever with this? Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #68

No. Notwithstanding your animosity, I don't think that I'm clever. I think that I'm persistent. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #78

Oh, good god. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #95

You are wrong. I have never accused all observers "of lying." In actual fact, I haven't called AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #98

Yikes, like a dog with a bone. He just won't let go. StrictlyRockers Jan 2013 #112

From now on, I suggest that ... King_Klonopin Jan 2013 #114

I encounter sulphurdunn Jan 2013 #88

I understand what you are saying. There is a difference between statements of fact and opinion. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #94

Indeed, sulphurdunn Jan 2013 #100

Of course they've said that as you very well know. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #22

What I know is that (1) what has been claimed is not supported by the actual words used AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #86

Hitler was elected John_UAC Jan 2013 #34

In the last relatively open election Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #35

He actually wasn't elected and his party had lost seats when he was appointed. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #40

Spam deleted by NRaleighLiberal (MIR Team) John_UAC Jan 2013 #59

Hitler was never in an election for Chancellor. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #62

Here's a link. 12 pro-gunners voted "yes" to "Anti-gunners are holocaust enablers". DanTex Jan 2013 #38

very revolting point of view samsingh Jan 2013 #47

Actually, anyone can go to the origional text and verify that at no time did the poster claim, as AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #85

Hmm... So you think that "Anti Gunners are Holocaust Enablers" is a reasonable point of view? DanTex Jan 2013 #87

No. And I particularly think that anyone who falsely attributes a statement that AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #89

He, and 11 others, voted "yes" in that poll. I don't understand why you are trying to deny this. DanTex Jan 2013 #92

The two-question poll that I looked at does not show that: AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #97

Are you joking? Try clicking on "show post" and then get back to me... DanTex Jan 2013 #101

You are kidding, aren't you? You haven't seen quite a few long time DU'ers using that language? KittyWampus Jan 2013 #90

Here's the quoted language: AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #99

I agree. A lot of people are looking to express emotions rather than to find thoughtful solutions. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #3

gun ownership is emotional samsingh Jan 2013 #48

Both are equally emotional ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #72

if saving lives is emotional - okay samsingh Jan 2013 #77

Considering the totally emotional content posted here for days ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #79

okay samsingh Jan 2013 #81

Yes and no. 99Forever Jan 2013 #74

It may come down to forced solutions or no solutions at all. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #111

It's not just the aftermath of Sandy hook Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #107

The US has an obesity problem with guns. rightsideout Jan 2013 #4

General over-consumption problem? AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #18

What's the FEE for spreading F.E. Larrymoe Curlyshemp Jan 2013 #5

That's a fact JohnRebel Jan 2013 #7

ability to revolt? defacto7 Jan 2013 #11

Excuse me for noticing, but I think that the poster who is complaining about "big government" AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #13

Yup! defacto7 Jan 2013 #14

No, see, that's just complete and utter paranoid bullshit blather. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #16

Hear! Hear! n/t ReRe Jan 2013 #25

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Jan 2013 #28

Thanks you! JustAnotherGen Jan 2013 #67

Wrong, and wrong. Wrong on all counts. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #21

Don't worry, you still haven't lost the ability to revolt Fumesucker Jan 2013 #23

The Gun Nuts Are Revolting! Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #27

That was my first thought etherealtruth Jan 2013 #65

that's not true samsingh Jan 2013 #49

Well, it was a nice try anyway :) Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #19

It is like a fever at my work exboyfil Jan 2013 #24

they would have to be fox viewers samsingh Jan 2013 #50

Compulsive shoppers BeyondGeography Jan 2013 #57

Thanks for the laugh. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #103

You say... ReRe Jan 2013 #29

Something along the lines of what post #26 says. redgreenandblue Jan 2013 #33

BS ReRe Jan 2013 #109

Since I'm of the mind that gun control will go nowhere I feel no need to be moderate in what I say Fumesucker Jan 2013 #30

"One way to end the debate quickly would be for young black males to start open carrying guns" peacebird Jan 2013 #61

I, too, feel that "gun control will go nowhere." But I see an unnecessary risk of repeating the AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #104

My favorite of late was posted on a website that said sunwyn Jan 2013 #31

The truth does not lay in the middle. aandegoons Jan 2013 #32

More "both sides" BS? DanTex Jan 2013 #36

Gun CULTure sucks and lots of guns means lots of murders jpak Jan 2013 #37

There is high emotion on both sides. Robb Jan 2013 #41

Could the gun debate be part of a larger American identity problem? no_hypocrisy Jan 2013 #42

You are right... sendero Jan 2013 #43

it's quite a leap to say that samsingh Jan 2013 #53

Really... sendero Jan 2013 #55

actually, no. that's not the definition of progressive samsingh Jan 2013 #56

So if I disagree with you.. sendero Jan 2013 #58

it seems like you want the absolute agreement, not me samsingh Jan 2013 #60

No, it's guns. bowens43 Jan 2013 #44

A total ban on the manufacture, possession and sale of ammunition .... redgreenandblue Jan 2013 #46

i'm glad to hear acceptable of your first statement samsingh Jan 2013 #52

there are ways to keep them off the streets, without banning any individual from owning them graham4anything Jan 2013 #54

Such a policy is in place in Japan. DanTex Jan 2013 #64

you are right samsingh Jan 2013 #51

Utterly ineffective. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #63

Right. You and your militias will surrender shortly after the first drone strike. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #84

yeah, that's right. We'll drone strike you fucking teabaggers like an Afghani wedding reception. bubbayugga Jan 2013 #115

I was not the one suggesting civil war if there is gun control. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #116

Don't try to judge something by the reactions here at DU. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #66

You'll never remove emotions from a debate where fear and selfishness, jmg257 Jan 2013 #70

Those qualties are found on the fringe of both sides of the debates ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #80

its fear kydo Jan 2013 #71

Fact - Guns Have One Purpose - To Destroy What Is In Front Of The Barrel cantbeserious Jan 2013 #73

Not "about the guns?" 99Forever Jan 2013 #75

No, it's mostly about emasculation Warpy Jan 2013 #102

Most male Asperger patients have an attraction to Planes, Trains, Space or Guns. TheBlackAdder Jan 2013 #105

Bullshit Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #106

Many racist survivalist idiots tabasco Jan 2013 #108

Guns don't kill people, people kill people, but the gun HELPS doesn't it? coeur_de_lion Jan 2013 #110

LOL! StrictlyRockers Jan 2013 #113