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175. OK Lets take a "Real World" look at your rebuttal.

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 03:05 PM

Jan 2013

We live in a country where 50% of the adult population is too stupid and too irresponsible to vote.

Of the 50% who DO vote, 50% of THEM are too stupid and too ill informed to vote in their own economic interest.

Now, with a straight face, you are going to argue that 100% of Americans will:

*take the time to read the very fine print instructions on the labels of these powerful poisons?

*have the intelligence to comprehend these instructions?

*are responsible enough to comply 100% with these instructions?

....ALL voluntarily, without ANY oversight, supervision, enforcement, or penalties???

...even when their wallet is threatened by the appearance of the new
Super Weeds and Pesticide Resistant Bugs?

[font size=3]"Perfectly SAFE when used as directed"[/font] ???

You really gonna stick with that??!!!
I almost never use the rolf smilie,
but today, you earned one:

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i'm just going to POST THIS AS LOUD AS I CAN and crush all arguments-MONSANTO=root of all evil. [View all] farminator3000 Jan 2013 OP

Kicked and recommended! Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #1

hey, thanks! if you have a garden, check this out, too... farminator3000 Jan 2013 #2

OMG - I did not even think about that!! Here I am going out of my way not to buy GMOs in the store jillan Jan 2013 #4

some pointers to seed companies here - both Monsanto and not-Monsanto Agony Jan 2013 #7

I'm glad to see Ed Hume is not Monsanto. Blue_In_AK Jan 2013 #100

That is a great list. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #167

Here is where I get all my seeds. JEB Jan 2013 #10

I have ordered from Seeds of Change in the past (phew, they are safe) but jillan Jan 2013 #21

Check this out DollarBillHines Jan 2013 #49

I have too. I like that company. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #168

Nichols is my fave, I do get a few from Territorial too. nt Viva_La_Revolution Jan 2013 #114

check out Seed Savers Exchange, everybody! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #66

no seed company is 'safe,' as where companies like monsanto don't own the seeds, they may HiPointDem Jan 2013 #96

hey, check out #66 and #292 farminator3000 Jan 2013 #294

here's a good seed company... farminator3000 Jan 2013 #292

No argument here. LWolf Jan 2013 #3

no bees - no food bluemarkers Jan 2013 #5

So .... how is Monsanto killing bees? Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #15

There is the possibility that pesticides are a contributing factor to CCD RomneyLies Jan 2013 #80

+1. And, ... Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #83

A corn based diet bluemarkers Jan 2013 #131

Nobody is a "Monsanto cheerleader troll" here. RomneyLies Jan 2013 #133

yes I know. bluemarkers Jan 2013 #152

I have lots of bees in California. I let the wood sorrel grow. The tiny yellow JDPriestly Jan 2013 #169

Commercial Bee Keepers DO feed their Bees Corn Syrup. bvar22 Jan 2013 #190

That's why I'll only buy honey from local beekeepers I know RomneyLies Jan 2013 #198

Not "pesticides" - Imidocloprid, an insecticide. Need to be more specific. yellowcanine Jan 2013 #173

two thirds of food crops and ALL staple grains are wind pollinated.... mike_c Jan 2013 #72

and, hive-dwelling bees are not the only pollinators. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #84

yeah, but they're the most important ones by far, which you can learn in 60 seconds try google farminator3000 Jan 2013 #282

Too late, Bubba. I busted you in a flat lie. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #284

you actually posted some plagiarism, from a guy called UncleAdolf, so i'm glad to see you go farminator3000 Jan 2013 #286

just grains, which corn is, you don't know what you're saying. 2/3 of food crops=totally false farminator3000 Jan 2013 #285

I'm an insect ecologist by profession-- I know quite well what I'm talking about.... mike_c Jan 2013 #288

then why aren't you talking about genetic diversity or all of the OTHER pollinators also dying? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #289

because that's another conversation.... mike_c Jan 2013 #290

not really. if you have a PhD, you should know that entire ecosystems are much more than data, and farminator3000 Jan 2013 #291

What do you farm? superpatriotman Jan 2013 #6

All sorts of things! Marrah_G Jan 2013 #23

fruits and vegetables farminator3000 Jan 2013 #67

Yeah, thanks superpatriotman Jan 2013 #74

sorry, didn't mean to sound snarky! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #179

GMO Trilogy - Unnatural Selection Go Vols Jan 2013 #8

Great rant, but... Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #9

The corporate model that is being imposed on farms is what's killing bees. Monsato is the architect KittyWampus Jan 2013 #14

Ok... I guess. What does that mean? (At least you are not defending "GMOs kill bees") Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #17

Industrial scale bee-keeping & use of pesticides & mono-cropping all combine KittyWampus Jan 2013 #25

True, mostly. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #34

"GMOs do not provide any further motivation for monocropping than the original native seeds. " Agony Jan 2013 #47

Your post makes no sense. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #54

Corn is wind pollinated. "Self pollinated" means a plant pollinates itself. Corn doesn't. yellowcanine Jan 2013 #126

You are, of course, correct. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #129

I just want to know where... SkyDaddy7 Jan 2013 #162

Being called a shill is a rite of passage. Sorry. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #170

Nice to see... SkyDaddy7 Jan 2013 #272

Genetically Mutant corporate crap sure as HELL ain't doing bees any good either Berlum Jan 2013 #40

Well, that was baseless. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #55

It's a fact, Jack Berlum Jan 2013 #86

Opinion, Jimson! Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #92

Herbicides have no effect whatsoever on bees. RomneyLies Jan 2013 #119

and i'm done. synergy. horizontal gene transfer. untested chemicals. surfactants. sad story, really. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #249

Roundup is killing bees? Got a link for that? yellowcanine Jan 2013 #172

here ya go! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #180

That says nothing about RoundUp killing the bees. RomneyLies Jan 2013 #183

i've actually seen a PET killed by round up, please don't remind me of it farminator3000 Jan 2013 #185

That claim is bullshit. His bees were seized due to American Foul Brood RomneyLies Jan 2013 #187

just like he did about the bald eagle, sure. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #192

That has nothing to do with the bee bullshit RomneyLies Jan 2013 #196

those aren't facts, those are one persons "story" farminator3000 Jan 2013 #200

And now you pull out mercola woo woo bullshit RomneyLies Jan 2013 #201

read the real story, maybe, and a link, maybe? not some prepared email? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #204

They were abating the nuisance RomneyLies Jan 2013 #211

number 1, for instance... farminator3000 Jan 2013 #202

Ingram lied. RomneyLies Jan 2013 #203

prove it. link? story? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #205

Claims must be supported by actual research, not appeals to reputation (authority). What actual yellowcanine Jan 2013 #209

i'm sure he has more 'research' to back him up than monsanto farminator3000 Jan 2013 #210

There you go again. Your link has nothing to do with Roundup and bees or Ingram. yellowcanine Jan 2013 #250

Terry Ingram is a nutjob RomneyLies Jan 2013 #213

you haven't posted a damn thing farminator3000 Jan 2013 #215

Fine RomneyLies Jan 2013 #216

you seem to be the only one disagreeing with me here farminator3000 Jan 2013 #218

Because it is late night on a Sunday RomneyLies Jan 2013 #219

BTW, peer reviewed articles about neonicotinoids and the correlation to CCD RomneyLies Jan 2013 #220

bayer is just a foreign company that monsanto sells its crap to so it won't get an anti-trust suit farminator3000 Jan 2013 #221

Monsamto manufactures no neonicotinoids. RomneyLies Jan 2013 #225

MONSANTO and BAYER are PARTNERS in BUSINESS. get it? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #228

THEY PARTNERED IN TRANSGENIC ORGANISMS, NOT NEONICOTINOIDS. RomneyLies Jan 2013 #234

do you have glasses, also? you seem to be missing some key points, here farminator3000 Jan 2013 #238

You put words into my mouth constantly RomneyLies Jan 2013 #239

you put words on the internet constantly. if roundup isn't PART of the cause, where's a link?? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #242

And the end game of woo comes in, demand proof of a negative. RomneyLies Jan 2013 #243

yes, providing a link that isn't PAID FOR by monsanto saying their crap is safe is just a crazy idea farminator3000 Jan 2013 #245

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Make that at least one more person because I disagree with you. yellowcanine Jan 2013 #252

well, you're wrong, too, then farminator3000 Jan 2013 #255

And the relevance to Roundup and bees is........???? yellowcanine Jan 2013 #258

the relevance of you saying 'that's not true' is...? and the other hundreds of things besides bees? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #262

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Antifreeze kills cats and dogs. And bees, too? Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #189

post a fact instead of just nothing please farminator3000 Jan 2013 #191

You brought me to this subthread because I said Roundup was safe for humans to use if used properly. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #193

you started with 'gmo crops are not killing bees' farminator3000 Jan 2013 #208

Monsanto isn't klling bees. RomneyLies Jan 2013 #212

they are killing pretty much everything. with a BRAND NEW PATHOGEN!! how can you know what it does? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #222

Provide the peer reviewed studies. RomneyLies Jan 2013 #226

email the guy if you want to argue with him same scientist from Purdue farminator3000 Jan 2013 #230

The crackpot hasn't published anything RomneyLies Jan 2013 #233

well, you've posted, in total, 1 questionable email, which is much easier than publuishing a study.. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #235

More irrelevent BS RomneyLies Jan 2013 #237

if i emailed them, i'd ask how much they got paid by M to harass the poor guy farminator3000 Jan 2013 #240

Okay, I'm done talking to you RomneyLies Jan 2013 #241

you mean typing AT me farminator3000 Jan 2013 #244

Link is about a protest by Polish beekeepers, not about Roundup killing bees. Do you have an yellowcanine Jan 2013 #207

can you not read bold type? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #214

Yes - the bold type was about the protest - not a link to research. yellowcanine Jan 2013 #253

here- knock yourself out- they banned it in poland so, i guess they were right. not hard to find... farminator3000 Jan 2013 #256

This message was self-deleted by its author yellowcanine Jan 2013 #259

Roundup/bees???????????? yellowcanine Jan 2013 #260

will you pay attention please? big M just bought the only people doing research into the farminator3000 Jan 2013 #267

"big M just bought the only people doing reasearch into the cause of bee death." yellowcanine Jan 2013 #270

did you even read the article about it? because your "quote" is from beelogics website farminator3000 Jan 2013 #273

Have you seen this? PETRUS Jan 2013 #31

Sure. This is a well-known effect of monocropping. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #59

Who says it did? I was replying to $14, which was making a different point. PETRUS Jan 2013 #115

It may have been your intent to reply to #14, but in was posted in response to me. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #135

If you say so... PETRUS Jan 2013 #136

I found your post as a response on the "My Posts" tab at the top of the screen. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #140

Must be a glitch Cal Carpenter Jan 2013 #160

Definitely a glitch RomneyLies Jan 2013 #166

thanks! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #68

We live in the middle of farms (lots of corn) and we have very few insects. Frogs all die also. glinda Jan 2013 #103

frogs are dying everywhere, like canaries in the coal mine... farminator3000 Jan 2013 #247

You are a scientist, or bee-keeper, or both? Isn't it odd how Monsanto killed a test hive and bought Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #16

There is some logic in there somewhere, but no science. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #18

No, but the pesticides required to grow them might be. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #26

And these pesticides do not differ from the pesticides used on non-GMO crops. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #30

GMO crops may be increasing pesticide use - not decreasing like was sposed to happen according to Agony Jan 2013 #46

No argument here. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #51

Chemtrails might be killing the bees also Major Nikon Jan 2013 #43

Show your proof of what is killing the bees. rainin Jan 2013 #32

Sure. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #42

I hate to be rude, rainin Jan 2013 #48

How ignorant. (Any, despite your hate for it, you were rude) Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #53

Not ignorant. rainin Jan 2013 #56

You invoked Watt while being nasty and rude. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #62

look at post#180 farminator3000 Jan 2013 #181

I'm not sure the question is so conclusively answered. frustrated_lefty Jan 2013 #39

No. Not Bt corn. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #44

And frustrated_lefty Jan 2013 #65

perhaps bees are allergic to corn pollen, which is blown hundreds to thousands of yards by the wind farminator3000 Jan 2013 #99

One small note, bees still collect corn pollen. RomneyLies Jan 2013 #130

WHY there is "no science" on the effects of long term use og the toxins and GMOs: bvar22 Jan 2013 #69

I suppose there is some science in your post. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #77

"innuendo"? hopemountain Jan 2013 #227

see post #60 farminator3000 Jan 2013 #70

Not science, yet. Crime? Yes. Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #109

....but nuthin'. the bummer is monsanto is a greedy scumbag! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #60

You threw a big enough net that you actually caught the real culprit. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #64

are you an expert on what they own? they have some sketchy friends... farminator3000 Jan 2013 #79

Who owns what pesticides is a matter of public record. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #81

i didn't just fall off the turnip truck. obviously bayer and mon-ster-santo are in cahoots! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #95

Nevermind. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #97

Is Monsanto your employer, or your roody Jan 2013 #121

Neither. Are you paid to ask these questions? Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #132

My only income comes from teaching public roody Jan 2013 #138

Still trolling. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #139

Always trolling the GMO threads, roody Jan 2013 #158

You have an opportunity to discuss the science Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #159

discuss this farminator3000 Jan 2013 #223

... Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #232

weak. you seem to be missing the part about how monsanto THREATENS AND OWNS SCIENTISTS farminator3000 Jan 2013 #236

Weak? I gave you a link that DESTROYED your "research". Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #277

that's actually laughable what you did there. thanks for reminding me to dissect your tranparency farminator3000 Jan 2013 #279

Unreal. You did not even read it. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #280

i did read it that's the problem. the link you posted was totally bogus. you are the hysterical one farminator3000 Jan 2013 #281

Thank you for demonstrating that your blatant lies are fully intentional. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #283

say hi to UncleAdolf and his wonderful site farminator3000 Jan 2013 #287

That is open to debate. arikara Jan 2013 #112

I wouldn't be surprised, either, but it is not the case. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #122

since Monsanto now owns the organization handmade34 Jan 2013 #150

K&R Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #11

K & R ...the corporate war on farmers! L0oniX Jan 2013 #12

Life on earth depends on diversity. GMO's are, by definition, exact replicants = no diversity. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #13

???? How do GMOs differ from standard hybrids (used for a century)? Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #20

Standard hybrids have SOME diversity within their DNA. They are not all exact replicants. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #28

GMO organisms are not exact replicants, either. RomneyLies Jan 2013 #137

Standard Hybrids, produced by cross pollination, are limited by nature... bvar22 Jan 2013 #33

i'm just going to POST THIS AS LOUD AS I CAN and crush all arguments-MONSANTO=root of all evil. oldhippydude Jan 2013 #19

Round up is no worse than any other pesticide. It's the over-application that is awful. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #27

...and My Wife & I choose to ban those products from our immediate environment. bvar22 Jan 2013 #36

Good deal! No doubt, we can live better without them. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #45

What do you use for control? DollarBillHines Jan 2013 #63

We use a cultivator, rototiller and pull weeds by hand in the organic veggie gardens. riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #91

You are doing the right thing DollarBillHines Jan 2013 #113

There are other Roundup problems as well: Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #147

that sounds like a round up AD...see post #180 farminator3000 Jan 2013 #182

Um ... no. i will defend the product against ignorant claimts. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #184

see #185 farminator3000 Jan 2013 #186

those are only the problems from the monsanto memo farminator3000 Jan 2013 #194

You are so right DollarBillHines Jan 2013 #58

"Used Properly" bvar22 Jan 2013 #75

That's a bit strong. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #148

OK Lets take a "Real World" look at your rebuttal. bvar22 Jan 2013 #175

In many ways you are right, but you are wrong in all important ways. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #177

no, he is just right farminator3000 Jan 2013 #197

YOU are only re-inforcing MY argument. bvar22 Jan 2013 #199

Case closed? Roundup is now banned for home use? Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #217

+1 n/t handmade34 Jan 2013 #153

Great post. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #78

A bit more on RU DollarBillHines Jan 2013 #142

During the time I studied gardening tama Jan 2013 #71

No argument here. bvar22 Jan 2013 #22

thanks for your help! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #82

You sly little farminator you Fumesucker Jan 2013 #24

Natural News is a Woo-Woo site. Odin2005 Jan 2013 #29

I wish Mike Adams would stick to health issues. rainin Jan 2013 #52

Ahead of his time!!... SidDithers Jan 2013 #85

He's a far right nutter, that no-one on DU should have anything to do with muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #89

sorry about that, i updated the OP farminator3000 Jan 2013 #105

K&R - along with all the politicians in their pockets. forestpath Jan 2013 #35

K&R MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #37

Doesn't the farm bill help Monsanto? grahamhgreen Jan 2013 #38

probably! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #165

here in the USA, M just buys its way out of any controversy as with the bee research above lunasun Jan 2013 #41

Naturalnews. And woo week moves into day 2...nt SidDithers Jan 2013 #50

Scientific Materialists with their narrow, idiosyncratic 'beliefs' tend to... Berlum Jan 2013 #87

OK, how about "Natural News is a far right hate site"? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #90

Keep defending woo... SidDithers Jan 2013 #93

On the Woo Woo Choo Choo green for victory Jan 2013 #120

'Root of all evil' is not the way to persuade people. No matter how LOUDLY you scream it. randome Jan 2013 #57

farminator, my father suspected that the death of bees saidsimplesimon Jan 2013 #61

good for you! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #248

your source is utter anti-science crap.... mike_c Jan 2013 #73

written a book, have you? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #106

kick samsingh Jan 2013 #76

Please replace your link to the far right Natural News with a non-obscene one muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #88

sorry! done. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #107

OP, why are you using conspiracy trash sites to make your case and ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2013 #94

there was more than one link i believe farminator3000 Jan 2013 #108

You will get no argument from me. Blue_In_AK Jan 2013 #98

K&R even though I disagree. Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #101

the biggest, oldest root on the tree? here's a video..with Dick! (Cheney, of course) farminator3000 Jan 2013 #157

GMO woo is to the left as climate change denial woo is to the right. FarCenter Jan 2013 #102

so was Silent Spring when it came out...maybe 'right' is 'wrong' on occaision? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #116

There's a kernel of truth in both sides. But Monsanto & GMO needs to be put on a leash. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #127

The main backlash against Monsanto is due to patents and to European farmers and the subsidy regime FarCenter Jan 2013 #144

You had me... until you posted the woo site. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #104

try this guy- it was a caffiene-induced oversight... farminator3000 Jan 2013 #111

Thank you! backscatter712 Jan 2013 #125

ALRIGHT ALREADY!!! natural news is a cuckoo site, i xxxx'd it! back on topic, please! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #110

Link talks about Obama's admin bad moves also = you may have to remove this link too yaknow!!! lunasun Jan 2013 #141

i opened a can of worms there, whoops! not his fault the FDA is such a mess! he's trying! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #149

Oh I saw nothing wrong with any of your posts .... lunasun Jan 2013 #156

Obama has EARNED a dissing for his aid to Monsanto. bvar22 Jan 2013 #261

Oh I know Monsanto /Vilsack around see my post #41 lunasun Jan 2013 #275

How can president Obama have put THAT "Man from Monsanto"... bvar22 Jan 2013 #278

Sign a petition to the White House randr Jan 2013 #117

That's why I call it MonSATAN LiberalEsto Jan 2013 #118

Bookmarked this to get it kicked from time to time. OldEurope Jan 2013 #123

Baker Creek recc ColumbusLib Jan 2013 #124

Root of ALL evil? NoPasaran Jan 2013 #128

i tried! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #151

Monsanto wants to help the bees... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #134

+ Sancho Jan 2013 #143

Destroying Kauai KauaiK Jan 2013 #145

have you seen millions against monsanto hawaii on FB? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #164

thank you niyad Jan 2013 #146

even India is smart enough handmade34 Jan 2013 #154

"occupy monsanto" list of seeds/plants and snoop alert - site seems to be sane farminator3000 Jan 2013 #155

Corrupt elections lead to corrupt government that fails to regulate/prosecute corrupt businesses Cliff Arnebeck Jan 2013 #161

yessir! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #163

Monsanto worships Money Larrymoe Curlyshemp Jan 2013 #171

monster-santo is also trying to mess with OUR SACRED HERB! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #174

Our Honey Bees, Free Range Chickens, bvar22 Jan 2013 #176

that's some SWEET lookin' honey (no pun...) farminator3000 Jan 2013 #178

The first "honey robbing" was in May, bvar22 Jan 2013 #188

No arguments here! Initech Jan 2013 #195

it is evil samsingh Jan 2013 #206

kick Liberal_in_LA Jan 2013 #224

yes! monsanto is evil hopemountain Jan 2013 #229

Yep. southerncrone Jan 2013 #231

i think i deserve a shout out for not getting booted from my own thread for an insult... farminator3000 Jan 2013 #246

Lot of heat for a little light. CropGun Jan 2013 #251

thank you for your paid spokesman nonsense. you are a perfect example of the problem. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #254

Heh CropGun Jan 2013 #263

if that's the best you've got, just give up now farminator3000 Jan 2013 #265

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"Bt and all the other crap are ruining people lives! giving people cancer..." Link? yellowcanine Jan 2013 #264

like i just told your buddy...also, i know what bt is, thanks for that anyway farminator3000 Jan 2013 #266

Well it is not my fault you are so careless in your language. yellowcanine Jan 2013 #269

Bt means Bt and spraying the bacteria in its natural state is WAY different than genetic splicing farminator3000 Jan 2013 #271

The way to "crush arguments" isn't to be AS LOUD AS YOU CAN BE and throw out yellowcanine Jan 2013 #257

you have only linked to yourself as a credible source, so there's that farminator3000 Jan 2013 #274

"ORDER 81: Re-engineering Iraqi agriculture The ultimate war crime: breaking the agricultural cycle" farminator3000 Jan 2013 #276

i found another good seed compnay- from oregon farminator3000 Jan 2013 #293

here's the best list of seeds/plants to avoid this planting season, and lots of other stuff farminator3000 Jan 2013 #295

more stuff about which seeds/plants to avoid. it is confusing farminator3000 Jan 2013 #296