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matt819

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157. Oh, for goodness sakes, just stop

Reply to obamanut2012 (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:36 PM

Jan 2013

Yes, you hunt. You may like it. You may even need to hunt for food. Great. Buy your rifle, or your bow, get a license, and go hunt. No one is stopping you. No one is taking your rifle away from you. I live in a rural area, and while I do not hunt, I realize that others do, and as long as they do not do this on my property, I don't begrudge them. Except for PETA members and some vegans, no one is arguing that you shouldn't hunt. Why do you need to keep pointing this out?

The issue is that you don't need an AR-15 or a Bushmaster or any variation of assault rifle to hunt. Or for target shooting. The only thing you need these weapons for is to hunt and kill people. In war zones. Not killing people? Not in a war zone? Then you don't need an assault rifle.

As for taxing weapons and ammunition, the fact is that everything should be on the table for discussion. As arguments are made for each proposal to exert at least some control on gun proliferation, some arguments are shelved. Maybe your argument against taxing ammo is valid. Maybe not. But, please, stop the "people hunt so don't take my gun away" argument.

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Many people in this country hunt to live [View all] obamanut2012 Jan 2013 OP

city folk don't understand about living off the land. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #1

I really think most people don't realize how it is for so many obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #2

That is why gun control is not strictly along party lines ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #13

I think that is true to a large extent obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #24

Whether someone owns a gun is a more powerful predictor of a person�s political party--NATE SILVER MightyMopar Jan 2013 #87

So what...look at the rural/urban split in party registration ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #147

"Nate Silver is just another media figure" MightyMopar Jan 2013 #173

Comp Sci ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #210

This best pollster in history! want to contest that? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #230

He is not a pollster in the least ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #247

The Gallup survey indicates a less than black & white picture... Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #155

So you're picking Republican biased Gallup over Nate Silver after the last election? Hilarious MightyMopar Jan 2013 #158

Did Nate Silver do the poll cited? Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #236

This is proof that statistics never give a complete picture. Jenoch Jan 2013 #303

On my... Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #119

Like you can't grow a freaking garden or raise rabbits and chickens? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #159

How would raising rabbits be in some way superior to hunting? Just asking. peacebird Jan 2013 #170

You wouldn't need guns MightyMopar Jan 2013 #175

You can trap wild rabbits, no gun needed. peacebird Jan 2013 #178

You city slickers.... Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #218

You clearly meant to reply to the person I was replying to, not to me. I support hunting. peacebird Jan 2013 #219

Yes, you are... Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #221

No worries! Welcome! peacebird Jan 2013 #222

Thanks! Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #226

I think handguns mimi85 Jan 2013 #331

I was just reading on diets and how frybread came into tradition. And food deserts= no fresh produce KittyWampus Jan 2013 #242

"frybread" Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #282

Some rural hunters don't understand - or care - "city folks" aren't into walking around in public Hoyt Jan 2013 #109

thank you for that astute and well composed post. and the lovely pictures. you are a credit and an Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #110

Until rural people start caring about the majority in of the rest of the country MightyMopar Jan 2013 #161

Most of my food is homegrown or local.... Exception for citrus, which my brother sends me from his peacebird Jan 2013 #174

this should be fun backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #167

If all you do is hunt animals, great. If you accumulate assault weapons or carry in public, that's Hoyt Jan 2013 #199

some city folk don't understand...or care..that we rural folk stock meat by hunting backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #182

When you go to town, do you carry. What are you hunting or expect to run into, backwoodsbob? Hoyt Jan 2013 #201

I have NEVER carried in town backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #206

Glad to hear it. Hope you convince your gun buddies to do same. Get well soon. Hoyt Jan 2013 #209

getting well backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #207

This city dweller knows the difference between a hunting rifle and an assault weapon LonePirate Jan 2013 #151

feel free to go educate them. you might want to use the correct term however: Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #156

One of these is my primary hunting weapon: PavePusher Jan 2013 #239

what is the difference? backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #317

Most gun control measures being discussed would do nothing to prevent the use of guns for "living Squinch Jan 2013 #271

*most* OK.... then there are only a *few* that are at issue here. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #273

That is what government food assistance is for. Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #3

Why? Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #6

If people choose to grow their own food that is fine. Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #15

But, it is a reality to many people in this country obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #26

Purchasing food, meat or vegetables, means someone has killed animals for that purchase... Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #160

Then 99.9% of human history is "objectionable" to you. Congrats. n/t PavePusher Jan 2013 #240

Oh, two other things..... PavePusher Jan 2013 #241

That is never going to happen obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #7

I agree, it isn't happening now Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #25

That is urban dweller talking point ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #10

No, I never have lived off government food assistance Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #22

You must have been offended for a very long time ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #153

please tell me that is sarcasm. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #11

No, people should not need to hunt to eat. Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #19

thank you for proving my point, Detroit City. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #27

it isn't a matter of hunt or starve for the most part backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #51

That is a point I also should have made obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #53

Yep. It's called economical, light-on-the-land living. Been doing it for years. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #162

People should not need to deforest and soak the ground with fertilizers to eat NoOneMan Jan 2013 #68

You know, showing your ignorance isn't the best thing to do. upaloopa Jan 2013 #21

The people in my area LWolf Jan 2013 #28

if you use a .223 semi automatic rifle 4 t 4 Jan 2013 #259

Wrong nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #264

really ,you can actually just shoot 4 t 4 Jan 2013 #288

Yes, to get technical nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #291

one bullet at a time backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #316

They don't. LWolf Jan 2013 #328

What happened to basic human dignity? IDoMath Jan 2013 #33

In another thread someone said she was getting cut off food stamps because she couldn't get dkf Jan 2013 #36

you can eat much better from the land datasuspect Jan 2013 #67

Yes, ecologically destructive Monsanto corn vs nature-raised meat NoOneMan Jan 2013 #73

all manufactured food is poison datasuspect Jan 2013 #77

Not really a few years ago I was so broke I only made enough to pay my bills I applied Arcanetrance Jan 2013 #121

"Government food assistance" Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #123

dude I lived in Detroit for 21 years backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #171

A month of food stamps don't pay enough to feed a family for a whole month gollygee Jan 2013 #250

Very few people want to get rid of firearms used for legitimate hunting Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #4

Agreed. yewberry Jan 2013 #30

Tell it to other DUers obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #32

No one wants to ban all weapons. Tempest Jan 2013 #55

It's not a lie. There are a few radicals in our midst who would ban all firearms. slackmaster Jan 2013 #57

Wow. You're still taking their post out of context. Even after attempts to correct you. n/t Tempest Jan 2013 #60

Your silly rationalization doesn't change the reality that the individual would ban ALL firearms slackmaster Jan 2013 #62

At least you admit you took the poster's comment out of context by your silence. Tempest Jan 2013 #72

I took nothing out of context. The poster I pointed out would ban all firearms with no exceptions. slackmaster Jan 2013 #76

Not true guardian Jan 2013 #64

Until you provide evidence, I'm considering it a lie. Tempest Jan 2013 #70

I am not a liar obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #80

Sorry, but the pages in DU (in & out of the Gungeon) over the last 2 wks indicate otherwise. nt Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #168

Some clearly have said as much ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #215

Mm-hm. yewberry Jan 2013 #74

You love saying this OP is about "you people" obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #82

How about a post claiming that rural people don't have a clue about poverty or hunger yewberry Jan 2013 #152

Most have bows and arrows around here Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2013 #103

And that is the cruelest form of hunting. RebelOne Jan 2013 #113

same with a poor shot from a gun Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2013 #229

Arrow hunting is now illegal in NY State. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #244

. Lurker Deluxe Jan 2013 #337

Hmm, I just posted that since Dec of 2012, crossbows are now illegal in NY State. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #341

K/R. I'm afraid that many who support taxes, confiscatio etc., don't have a clue about rural folks. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #5

Yup -- exactly obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #9

This is my primary hunting weapon: PavePusher Jan 2013 #243

If you sprayed the game with a slew of bullets HockeyMom Jan 2013 #8

Hunters do not use automatics to hunt obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #14

Fortunately nobody hunts with automatic weapons Recursion Jan 2013 #85

Actually, most states specify 5 round magazine or less for hunting. n/t PavePusher Jan 2013 #245

We aren't talking about guns used for hunting. Frustratedlady Jan 2013 #12

Yes, many posters are obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #18

I haven't seen hunting rifles mentioned, but then I don't know the acronyms. Frustratedlady Jan 2013 #75

Many posts and a few OPs wanting to ban all guns obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #83

"Military style" guns are very popular for hunting Recursion Jan 2013 #91

Almost every hunting firearm commonly used is derived directly from a military design. n/t PavePusher Jan 2013 #246

hunting rifles Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #297

Some here are talking of the fringe argument nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #106

I agree. I'm nowhere near a fan of guns, Frustratedlady Jan 2013 #111

Not only that nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #115

While there are still people who eat what they hunt, randr Jan 2013 #16

No, it isn't rare at all obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #20

Oh please...what a horrible example to prove your point. Earth_First Jan 2013 #35

The business of hunting for sport here in Colorado is huge randr Jan 2013 #49

Sure. However, your example is pointless in the "hunt to live" discussion... Earth_First Jan 2013 #56

It goes to the discussion Lurker Deluxe Jan 2013 #50

I bought a new freezer this Fall. And it's full, now... Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #181

We recently lived in WV for a few years. FedUpWithIt All Jan 2013 #92

Look, I'm no fan of guns BainsBane Jan 2013 #321

If we couldn't eat it we threw it back. In_The_Wind Jan 2013 #17

Exactly obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #23

do you want to force people to only eat food from stores? I prefer to eat wild game and local fish. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #29

I'm a vegetarian, so I wouldn't hunt or fish anyway obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #34

I am fine with you being an herbivore. Are you OK with me being a carnivore? Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #41

I am the one who wrore the OP obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #44

I know. I rec'd it. Would you prefer I unrec it? Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #46

I do not get why you are kinda attacking me obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #52

sorry. did not mean to offend. asking questions is all. I will unrec. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #89

K&R Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #31

My OP isn't about gun control or the NRA obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #37

wow, you stepped into something handmade34 Jan 2013 #114

This is why the lib/con split is also an urban/rural split IDoMath Jan 2013 #38

I think this is a wonderful post obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #39

OK, it's up there. For better or worse I expanded it. IDoMath Jan 2013 #238

+1 Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #43

+1 Recursion Jan 2013 #93

I'll respond to a gun thread for the first time War Horse Jan 2013 #190

The amount of Fish and Game that can be taken is regulated formercia Jan 2013 #40

Ok, but I have questions. Denninmi Jan 2013 #42

Why don't you ask someone poor if they are poachers? obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #45

Used freezers, cheap freezer bags and margarine tubs do the job. Lars39 Jan 2013 #59

And you can build a smokehouse in your backyard (nt) Recursion Jan 2013 #95

Yep Lars39 Jan 2013 #100

Most of the families we knew in WV would home can the venison they caught. FedUpWithIt All Jan 2013 #101

Some answers... Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #205

Used freezers and fridges can be quite cheap, especially if you do your own repairs. PavePusher Jan 2013 #248

I will feel safer while out hunting for my food if no one in the woods has an AR-15. Coyotl Jan 2013 #47

MK 19 is better Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #61

Why? Recursion Jan 2013 #97

I've known a few people Aerows Jan 2013 #48

I can't think of any place it's legal to hunt dear with a 30-round magazine. PavePusher Jan 2013 #249

What does hunting have to do with assault rifles and 30 cartridge magazines? Tempest Jan 2013 #54

I don't believe any state permits hunting with a 30-round magazine slackmaster Jan 2013 #58

Your post is completely irrelevant to the original poster's statements. n/t Tempest Jan 2013 #63

As is your snarky little quip about assault rifles and 30-round magazines slackmaster Jan 2013 #66

What's snarky about bringing up what the real issue is? Tempest Jan 2013 #69

The issue per the OP is "All this talk of taxing weapons and ammo, or taxing owners..." slackmaster Jan 2013 #71

MAJOR FAIL on your part Tempest Jan 2013 #78

You really want to make my OP something it obvious isn't obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #90

Please see reply #88 slackmaster Jan 2013 #108

Exactly -- thanks obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #88

Since the OP was about hunting, but now is drifting into gun-control politics... Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #211

My OP is about poor people needing to hunt to live obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #86

Nothing, and I didn't even mention specific weapons or magazines obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #84

The smartass reply to this is. . . StrayKat Jan 2013 #65

Maybe 0.1% do. Not a compelling reason Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #79

A link to your .1%? obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #96

you made the original claim: where is your data? Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #127

Far more than 0.01% nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #104

link? Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #137

Go to the reservation. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #140

Well thanks for links that indicate nothing other than "there exist some people who might be Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #141

Also common in Appalachia. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #143

again, an unsubstantiated assertion. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #146

From urbanites nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #148

Who cares! They don't vote for us for a bunch of issues and we can win elections without them MightyMopar Jan 2013 #165

I do...but I have not subsumed my politics to my humanity. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #166

Who is more important city people or rurals? Both, but city people vote for us and rurals vote Puke MightyMopar Jan 2013 #169

You go right ahead nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #172

Part of the reason the south has so much power is because the rest of the nation subsidizes them MightyMopar Jan 2013 #183

If this was not laughable. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #188

Did you read your own chart? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #193

Yes nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #195

20 out of the top 25 taker states voted for Romney & 2 of the 5 that voted Obama have Puke governor MightyMopar Jan 2013 #234

And... We should ignore them cause nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #235

Though I'm not sure the number is accurate, still, isn't .1% about 350,000 people? hughee99 Jan 2013 #228

No the suggestion is that .1% of the population should not be claimed as "many". Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #281

That's not the suggestion I was responding to. hughee99 Jan 2013 #300

You could not find data either Go Vols Jan 2013 #301

Why does someone from those areas need to come to CT and shoot the kids in a CT School? graham4anything Jan 2013 #81

lol obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #99

And Do These Subsistence Hunters Use $1400 Bushmaster AR-15's? (nt) Paladin Jan 2013 #94

Many do, particularly for smaller animals Recursion Jan 2013 #98

I use a shotgun and have never had a problem hitting what I aim at or killing with one shot. appleannie1 Jan 2013 #107

You Kinda Missed My Point. Care To Take Another Try? Paladin Jan 2013 #116

There are much cheaper AR-15's, or there were until recently Recursion Jan 2013 #117

What in the world does that have to do with my OP??? obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #102

I Am Pro-Gun Control And I Have A Problem With Hi-Cap Mags. (nt) Paladin Jan 2013 #118

What in the world does that do with poor folks hunting? obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #196

When the kids were young it is why we had a rifle and shotgun. appleannie1 Jan 2013 #105

Precisely how "many"... 99Forever Jan 2013 #112

First of all, since when is dead flesh necessary to live? im a Belieber Jan 2013 #120

Agriculturalists have proven for 10K years that it is not with their staples NoOneMan Jan 2013 #125

Fascinating slackmaster Jan 2013 #142

For most it isn't. But I prefer to do less harm to the environment, Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #217

hunting soybeans can be done with knives green for victory Jan 2013 #122

yuck. nt. alphafemale Jan 2013 #163

No one is talking about banning guns that are used for hunting game. bluestate10 Jan 2013 #124

Most good hunters only need one shot to kill a deer. JEB Jan 2013 #128

But if it is not a clean kill, RebelOne Jan 2013 #130

Usually takes me one round. Plus scores more for practice, so I can use one round. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #225

I (and many other people) use one of these for hunting: PavePusher Jan 2013 #252

"many" - please provide the statistics. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #126

I seriously doubt JEB Jan 2013 #129

my father in law hunted most of his life. madrchsod Jan 2013 #131

which is quite different than "had to hunt to put food on the table". nt. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #135

Deer meat has become a big component of food banks due to Hunters for the Hungry... Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #224

There is another reason for hunting. Population control ROFF Jan 2013 #132

Come on, you can buy a can of chicken cheaper than bullets MightyMopar Jan 2013 #133

Come on, you can buy one bullet cheaper than one cow Coyotl Jan 2013 #144

Hunting is big business for gun manufacturers. ACTUAL FACTS ACTUAL DATA. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #134

It cost me Go Vols Jan 2013 #302

It likely costs a bit more than that. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #325

OK, let's means test gun ownership. Robb Jan 2013 #136

I would love to The Fox News reaction Nevernose Jan 2013 #138

I think most people understand that some hunt to eat. I have read doc03 Jan 2013 #139

The following are very popular deer-hunting weapons: PavePusher Jan 2013 #253

So what some idiot would use a 105mm tank if he could get one. Neither of doc03 Jan 2013 #306

They are not at all equivalent to "a 105mm tank". And they are quite legal in many states. PavePusher Jan 2013 #312

I got a point, just because someone hunts with them doesn't doc03 Jan 2013 #334

I'm not aware of any state that allows hunting of deer, or any non-pest game... PavePusher Jan 2013 #335

Well you just made one of my points you don't need more than 5 rounds doc03 Jan 2013 #336

Ammo is already taxed in most states bluestateguy Jan 2013 #145

Ammo, guns, fishing supplies and motorboat fuel are additionally taxed since the 30s... Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #220

All the hunters I know do it for recreation. alarimer Jan 2013 #149

do they need assault rifles samsingh Jan 2013 #150

This is the hilarious part nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #154

Who said they did? obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #184

the NRA now cares for the rural poor? samsingh Jan 2013 #284

The NRA cares little for any body but Colt nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #292

No but some use detachable magazine fed semi automatics in a variety of calibers ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #214

Oh, for goodness sakes, just stop matt819 Jan 2013 #157

Bingo Little Star Jan 2013 #176

Exactly where did the OP said you need an AR-15 nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #180

I know, I know matt819 Jan 2013 #231

The OP was talking of a real issue nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #232

Sure, but what's the point? matt819 Jan 2013 #275

The point is that this should be taken nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #277

Stop what? Knowing how rural poor live? obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #186

"Need"? No, but they are well suited to the task and in common usage for it. PavePusher Jan 2013 #256

so they would be OK with Renting Them when they go to Hunt ? JI7 Jan 2013 #164

... obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #187

I don't understand... RedCappedBandit Jan 2013 #177

I haven't seen anyone talk about banning hunting BainsBane Jan 2013 #179

Totally not true obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #189

What isn't true? BainsBane Jan 2013 #197

And what ammo and guns would those be? PavePusher Jan 2013 #258

Feinstein is dealing with that BainsBane Jan 2013 #262

So you don't know. Got it. Legislation based on ignorance always serves us well doesn't it? PavePusher Jan 2013 #296

therefore I assume you wouldn't venture an opinion BainsBane Jan 2013 #298

One need not hold an advanced degree in a subject in order to be informed on it. PavePusher Jan 2013 #311

how else do you assume someone can list an array of guns? BainsBane Jan 2013 #319

The gun-controllers WILL HIJACK this thread, then blame you for it. SOP. nt Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #227

The rural poor are the wrong target nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #192

The following are very popular deer-hunting weapons: PavePusher Jan 2013 #257

In my rural area, hunting and fishing are the luxuries of the wealthy bhikkhu Jan 2013 #185

There are no wealthy people obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #194

And some of my local poor fish on the San Diego river nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #202

Wasn't sure so I looked ... Lurker Deluxe Jan 2013 #340

They dont need hand guns or assult weapns. bowens43 Jan 2013 #191

So is the AR-15 platform from the year 1900 or so? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #198

I think you are a city dweller Go Vols Jan 2013 #304

Re-read my post nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #308

my BIL hunts with a bow. He pays for the (considerable) expense by teaching others how librechik Jan 2013 #200

Which is why, as anti-gun as I am, I am willing in my desired endstate to allow single shot rifles. stevenleser Jan 2013 #203

Some people get my OP, and some don;t obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #204

So I take it... 99Forever Jan 2013 #208

It's a clumsy attempt to oppose any type of gun control Moses2SandyKoufax Jan 2013 #212

Whoosh!!!!!!! nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #213

Want to clarify who that was aimed at and why Ms. "I'm A Reporter?" 99Forever Jan 2013 #263

It went over your head nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #265

And you are one of those.. 99Forever Jan 2013 #266

Really? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #267

Grow up? 99Forever Jan 2013 #269

Aha, why you do not know the first principle nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #276

So you've still got nothing. 99Forever Jan 2013 #280

It's a great thread, Obamanut, and it's real. Zorra Jan 2013 #254

Please provide credible data quantifying the many people that depend on hunting for survival. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #260

I already told you nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #261

No you have provided exactly zero evidence that quantifies the extent of subsistence hunting. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #270

Your handle fits, goodbye. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #272

Gibberish. Typical. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #274

And you yourself Go Vols Jan 2013 #305

Nothing. Which is why I have repeatedly asked the ops of assertions of "many" subsistence Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #322

Here ~ this is from where I grew up Zorra Jan 2013 #315

Again, I do not doubt that there are some subsistence hunters. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #323

How many is the "many" that will answer your question? nt Zorra Jan 2013 #329

Hmmm. There is a simple rule. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #330

If I had my way, Elk, Deer, Bear, even Bunnies would have RKBA... countryjake Jan 2013 #216

This is especially true in a place like Alaska Blue_In_AK Jan 2013 #223

Wayne Pacelle of the Humane Society of the U.S. (a virulently anti-hunting organization) was asked.. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #233

Does he live in a large city? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #237

Yep, a "Beltway Bandit," as they say in the D.C. area. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #251

On the other hand nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #255

No kidding. Blue_In_AK Jan 2013 #279

It also serves a needed method of population control for deer. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #268

dude, don't bring Bambi into this - it will really cause an uproar. Bambi, omg!! Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #278

I'm not bringing Bambi into this NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #283

name the time and I'll bring the wine! Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #286

What horseshit - people poach for same reason they grow dope and moonshine jpak Jan 2013 #285

Yup, spoken like an urbanite nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #294

Well, let's look at the roundup for this thread. yewberry Jan 2013 #287

Well obviously they're not "real americans". Moses2SandyKoufax Jan 2013 #289

I don't have a problem with hunting treestar Jan 2013 #290

The OP s not saying that nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #293

How about we ban the assault weapons and the high capacity magazines. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #295

Roadkill, snares, traps, fishing poles. Guns aren't the only way to get cheap protein. Dems to Win Jan 2013 #299

Yet Go Vols Jan 2013 #307

Hate to point this out nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #309

I could nearly agree with you, Go Vols Jan 2013 #310

Well, that will have to be the way nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #313

Its good to pick a stance. Go Vols Jan 2013 #314

There will never be laws banning all firearms. ibegurpard Jan 2013 #318

People in other rural areas also hunt for a part of their food. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #320

Outlaw hunting valost62 Jan 2013 #324

And I've been one of them Scootaloo Jan 2013 #326

So where are they firing on "full auto" to hunt? Remmah2 Jan 2013 #332

Here is what I know Soundman Jan 2013 #327

Since these people usually use really old guns nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #339

In what century? Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #333

In this century nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #338