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OneTenthofOnePercent

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219. There's a difference between being realistic and unecessarily defeatist.

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:51 PM

Jan 2013

Realistically... I'd bet you get 70% of the firearms in an all-out UK style ban. Being overwhelmingly optimistic, You might get 80-85% of them. That would leave around 50 MILLION firearms left in america - and it won't be the law abiding citizens holding on to them. And that assuming you could effectively stop ALL black market illegal arms trade coming into the US.

Hell, even if you miraculously dissapeared 95% of guns from the streets, you'd still have 15 million guns in criminal hands. That's not being defeatist. That's just the real world facts and numbers.

Being a defeatist would require pointing out that the 7 high profile mass shooting in 2012 only required 7 guns... and then asking why waste all this time and effort limiting the public to 15,000,000 guns.

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Fact - Guns Have One Purpose - To Destroy What Is In Front Of The Barrel [View all] cantbeserious Jan 2013 OP

Fact - It will never happen. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #1

Fact - Societies Change - DUI Laws, Gay Rights, Civil Rights - Gun Access Can Change as Well cantbeserious Jan 2013 #4

you realize many people survive by hunting, right? KittyWampus Jan 2013 #70

You Do Realize That A Gun Is Not The Only Method For Killing Wild Game? cantbeserious Jan 2013 #81

Now we are down to the level of comedy nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #83

Fact - You Are A good Comedian by Implying That Only Guns Can Be Used To Hunt Wild Game cantbeserious Jan 2013 #85

do look the fallacy reductio ad absurdum nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #90

The Fact Remains That A Gun Is Not The Only Method For Hunting Wild Game cantbeserious Jan 2013 #92

thw fact is that this is the logic fallacy you engage in nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #95

Is One Denying That Other Methods Are Used To Hunt Wild Game? cantbeserious Jan 2013 #97

your op is pure reductio ad absurdum nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #112

To The Contrary - Anything Created By Man Can Be UnCreated By Man - Guns In Society Are Not A Given cantbeserious Jan 2013 #129

I hunt elk with a can of beans. Common Sense Party Jan 2013 #252

Take a lot of deer with your hoopak, do you? Fla_Democrat Jan 2013 #139

Your Reference Is Too Obscure - Was This An attempt At Humor Or Sarcasm - If So, Both Failed cantbeserious Jan 2013 #147

Oh, I don't know.. Fla_Democrat Jan 2013 #167

So This Was An Ad Hominen Attack Based On Ridicule - Surely You Can Do Better cantbeserious Jan 2013 #168

Don't be silly Fla_Democrat Jan 2013 #173

Yet You Admitted To Using Ridicule To Debase Me - What Else Can That Be Than Ad Hominen cantbeserious Jan 2013 #175

That's why his user name is appropriate tradecenter Jan 2013 #86

When One Cannot Defend A Position One Attacks The Messenger - Classic Debating Mistake cantbeserious Jan 2013 #93

I don't have to defend anything. tradecenter Jan 2013 #104

All Change Begins With A First Step - That Some Are Unwilling To Take That Step Speaks Volumes cantbeserious Jan 2013 #149

i think you just nailed it obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #99

Be Advised That Your Post Is Considered An Ad Hominen Attack Under The DU Community Rules cantbeserious Jan 2013 #102

Then alert on it. tradecenter Jan 2013 #110

And You Have Just Admitted That The Attack Was Ad Hominen - Thanks For Outing Yourself cantbeserious Jan 2013 #148

You REALLY are making this way to easy. tradecenter Jan 2013 #247

It's the most efficient. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #89

Efficiency Is Not The Argument At Hand - There Are Other Methods For Hunting Wild Game cantbeserious Jan 2013 #91

including mitary grade nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #94

The Original Post Only Considers Firearms - The Discussion Has Not Been Broadened cantbeserious Jan 2013 #96

snaring a deer works so well obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #98

Seems Our Literature Is Replete With Stories Of Many Trappers That Used A Snare For Wild Game cantbeserious Jan 2013 #108

Literature = fiction Indydem Jan 2013 #123

Umm - I Guess You Have Never Read Non-Fiction cantbeserious Jan 2013 #150

Snares were mainly used to trap rabbits, beavers, and small game. tradecenter Jan 2013 #125

People eat reindeers tama Jan 2013 #204

Notice I said that rifles were "generally" used to bring down larger game. tradecenter Jan 2013 #246

Yes, you said generally tama Jan 2013 #248

True. tradecenter Jan 2013 #249

But without rifle tama Jan 2013 #250

You won't get any argument from me about what the Europeans did to the Native Americans. tradecenter Jan 2013 #251

I'm not against hunting with rifles tama Jan 2013 #255

Plus 1000. tradecenter Jan 2013 #256

excellent backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #127

No Advocacy Was Made - That Guns Are The Only Option For Those That Need To Feed Themselves cantbeserious Jan 2013 #151

the other options are snares and traps backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #162

actually, crossbows are the alternative. But since I'm refuting the OP'er I didn't mention it. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #211

I have a high end crossbow backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #214

Oops, after checking I just realized that crossbows are no longer legal in NY state. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #228

Many? Please provide the data on per cent of population that survive Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #84

Why? Because you don't know anyone or live in a comfortable bubble? KittyWampus Jan 2013 #88

No because I doubt that "many" people in the us use hunting as their primary food source. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #111

Then you must live in either an urban or economic bubble. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #178

where is your data for your unsubstantiated assertion? Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #179

Actually, you are the one making an unsubstantiated claim. That no Americans rely on hunting f/food. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #212

You made a claim that many people depend on hunting for survival. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #244

not really BS overthehillvet Jan 2013 #234

Link to your data source? Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #243

Fact, this is as fringe as more gunz for everyone nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #2

So - You Are Advocating The "Acceptable Losses" Philosophy? cantbeserious Jan 2013 #7

No, I want regulations nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #24

So - With Regulations - One Is Still Advocating For "Acceptable Losses" cantbeserious Jan 2013 #37

You are going to have losses nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #46

If Guns Are Not Part Of The Society Then The Losses Will Be Astronomically Low cantbeserious Jan 2013 #48

Good luck with that nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #52

All Points Raised Have Been Addressed - Maybe The Logic Is Too Unsettling For Some cantbeserious Jan 2013 #58

What logic? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #64

Reread The Original Post More Carefully - The Logic Is Unassailable cantbeserious Jan 2013 #146

Reductio ad absurdum nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #158

There Is No Logical Fallacy - Each Statement Proceeds Logically From The One Before cantbeserious Jan 2013 #160

Yes it is...and fantasy to boot nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #163

More Misdirection - Maybe One Should Reread The OP - Society Has A Choice To Make cantbeserious Jan 2013 #165

No misdirection nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #166

It Appears That One Is Unwilling To Face Their Personal Choice Which Has Become Clear In Context cantbeserious Jan 2013 #169

Which s exactly what? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #170

You Appear To Be Advocating For The "Acceptable Losses" Policy In That The Problem Is So cantbeserious Jan 2013 #171

I live in the real world nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #172

All That Reads As Rationalization To Justify "Acceptable Losses" - Sometimes The Truth Is Unsettling cantbeserious Jan 2013 #174

What you call rationalization nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #176

Compromise Is Just A Fancy Word For Someone Wins And Someone Loses cantbeserious Jan 2013 #177

You haven't addressed jack derby378 Jan 2013 #67

Each And Every Counter Argument Has Been Addressed As Deflecting Rhetoric From The OP cantbeserious Jan 2013 #153

I'm a realist and I do try and look at the facts overthehillvet Jan 2013 #237

Actually, its well past that position ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #8

So - You To Are Advocating The "Acceptable Losses" Philosophy? cantbeserious Jan 2013 #13

People engage in the "acceptable losses" philosophy EVERY SINGLE DAY. beevul Jan 2013 #229

So - It Would Be Acceptable If We Nominate Your Loved Ones To Be The Next "Acceptable Loss"? cantbeserious Jan 2013 #262

I didn't realize anyone was nominating anyone specifically. beevul Jan 2013 #266

If We Accept "Acceptable Losses" We Are Accepting A Probability - What Probability Will You Accept? cantbeserious Jan 2013 #267

So, precisely... 99Forever Jan 2013 #19

Yes - That Is The Question That The "Acceptable Losses" Crowd Must Address cantbeserious Jan 2013 #21

I want assault weapons to be designated under the 1934 nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #31

And of course you didn't answer the question. 99Forever Jan 2013 #44

Read post 37 nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #49

You still haven't answered the question. Post 37 wasn't even yours. 99Forever Jan 2013 #56

Since you can't find it nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #59

That "human slaughter" has been steadily declining for decades hack89 Jan 2013 #33

Tell that to the families of Sandy Hook. 99Forever Jan 2013 #42

Facts are not NRA talking points hack89 Jan 2013 #55

Can't read either? 99Forever Jan 2013 #60

What about the gun slaughter tama Jan 2013 #220

Not sure where "you start from"... 99Forever Jan 2013 #222

I'm pretty thin on suggestions. :) tama Jan 2013 #245

Except, of course, for weapons in the hands of government employees slackmaster Jan 2013 #3

No Guns Means No Guns cantbeserious Jan 2013 #9

No guns means un-inventing them and putting society back to conditions in the early 14th Century. slackmaster Jan 2013 #12

Some Said That Woman Would Never Receive The Right To Vote - Nay Saying Is Predictable cantbeserious Jan 2013 #14

You have one thing right. The root purpose of a gun is to destroy something. slackmaster Jan 2013 #15

Reread The Original Post More Carefully cantbeserious Jan 2013 #17

You're asking for a guarantee that bad things won't happen, in a world where bad things happen slackmaster Jan 2013 #18

No - Bad Things Happen - However, Those Bad Things Do Not Have To Be Caused By A Gun cantbeserious Jan 2013 #20

So how do you stop criminals from having guns? hack89 Jan 2013 #35

Any Firearm Use In The Act Of A Crime Will Be Met With An Automatic Judgment Of Death By The State cantbeserious Jan 2013 #47

The death penalty - what better way to show how we value human life. nt hack89 Jan 2013 #57

To Discourage Those That Would Choose To Use A Gun To Destroy Others - A Fair Question To Raise cantbeserious Jan 2013 #62

LOL! NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #63

The Use Of THe Death Penalty To Deter Crime Is A Fair Question For Another Discussion cantbeserious Jan 2013 #66

Wow, tradecenter Jan 2013 #69

Well, better make that police force full military Lurker Deluxe Jan 2013 #79

Enforce a law like that and you guarantee more gun deaths. RC Jan 2013 #116

Hope you... Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #157

Why are you so cruel?..here is a case where just what you propose has happened PrincetonTiger2009 Jan 2013 #259

The State will have to use guns to enforce your law. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #279

Your proposal is the equivalent of uninventing women. beevul Jan 2013 #232

kick samsingh Jan 2013 #5

Fact - your post is hyperbole geckosfeet Jan 2013 #6

Fact - Unassailable Logic Is Often Not Palatable cantbeserious Jan 2013 #10

Logic: "the science that investigates the principles governing correct or reliable inference" geckosfeet Jan 2013 #22

No - Your Desire To Negate Logic Is The Unsupportable Assertion - The OP Logic Is Unassailable cantbeserious Jan 2013 #23

Even countries with outright bans have firearm homcides geckosfeet Jan 2013 #71

The Logic Remains Unassailable - To Eliminate Destruction By Firearms - Eliminate The Firearms cantbeserious Jan 2013 #100

Well - let us know when you get back to the real world. geckosfeet Jan 2013 #126

Firmly Living In The Real World Today cantbeserious Jan 2013 #140

The real world is - the guns are here. geckosfeet Jan 2013 #258

Sure, and to eliminate destruction caused by drunk driving, eliminate alcohol. Common Sense Party Jan 2013 #253

Bravo. This should be our starting position. Robb Jan 2013 #11

Good point. n/t AndyA Jan 2013 #16

Thank you. Robb Jan 2013 #27

Except that "calling for guns in schools" sylvi Jan 2013 #230

Life is full of peril. Too fucking bad. Robb Jan 2013 #231

Unresponsive sylvi Jan 2013 #235

Not by you; I'd prefer you underestimate me. Robb Jan 2013 #236

I don't think it's possible to underestimate you. nt sylvi Jan 2013 #238

Zing! Robb Jan 2013 #240

Are you going to be on the confiscation team? tradecenter Jan 2013 #25

Fact - Nothing On This Earth Has To Be Part Of Any Culture Should The Society Decide It So cantbeserious Jan 2013 #41

Heres my answer to you. tradecenter Jan 2013 #43

Fact - Societies Can Choose Again cantbeserious Jan 2013 #50

Logically sound... Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #26

Logic Stands On Its Own - Making The Case Is Simple - Do We Want People To Die By Firearms? cantbeserious Jan 2013 #30

Of course. But as I said, the logic in your initial post doesn't speak to attainability. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #36

Fact - Attainability Is Not An Impediment - We Changed DUI Laws, Smoking Laws, Marriage Laws Etc... cantbeserious Jan 2013 #39

I have to disagree. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #45

Fact - Booze And Pot Do Not Have As Their Fundamental Purpose To Destroy Something Or Someone cantbeserious Jan 2013 #54

Fact- booze and pot are not a right. tradecenter Jan 2013 #61

Fact - Any Amendment To The Constitution Can Be Repealed - It Is Part Of Our Constitution cantbeserious Jan 2013 #65

Then you should get right on it. tradecenter Jan 2013 #75

Doesn't change the argument I was making in the least. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #122

Is it also "fact" dems_rightnow Jan 2013 #53

Fact - That Society Chooses To Condone Unacceptable Behavior Is Clear - Gun Violence This Discussion cantbeserious Jan 2013 #73

Great answer to the question... dems_rightnow Jan 2013 #76

Nothing Was Ignored - The Choice Is Clear - "Acceptable Losses" From Guns Or A Zero Tolerance Policy cantbeserious Jan 2013 #78

I Totally and Unequivocably Choose "Acceptable Losses" Over a Zero Tolerance Policy. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #106

None - You Have Chosen To Relive The Terror Of Newtown On A Ongoing Basis - That Speaks Volumes cantbeserious Jan 2013 #156

Gradually. Please emphasize gradually. Loudly Jan 2013 #28

Fact - Your screen name is ... oldhippie Jan 2013 #29

Be Advised - That Is Considered An Ad Hominen Attack And Is Against The Rules Of DU cantbeserious Jan 2013 #32

Except, for better or worse, that rule has been effectively tossed. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #38

Well - If The Ad Hominen Attacks Continue It Is Within The Community Rules To Alert cantbeserious Jan 2013 #40

And I encourage that...but without a lot of confidence in things changing. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #51

Now, really, how can you consider a compliment ... oldhippie Jan 2013 #118

THEIR guns are making US unsafe cpwm17 Jan 2013 #34

Fact is: you got a better chance of winning the lottery. hobbit709 Jan 2013 #68

Fact - Someone Always Wins The Lottery Eventually cantbeserious Jan 2013 #74

Fact: one of these days the sun will expand to a red giant. hobbit709 Jan 2013 #80

False Equivalencies - All Guns Can Be Eliminated Long Before The Sun Goes Nova - As For Norway cantbeserious Jan 2013 #82

Your mind is made up with your own unrealistic facts. hobbit709 Jan 2013 #87

Facts Are Facts - Logic Is Logic - Maybe Your Mind Is Closed cantbeserious Jan 2013 #137

Our Sun won't go nova, it will expand to a red giant. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #280

I agree that guns' whole purpose is destruction duhneece Jan 2013 #72

Then To Be Clear - One Is Condoning The "Acceptable Losses" Argument cantbeserious Jan 2013 #77

Yes, similar to car deaths duhneece Jan 2013 #218

This message was self-deleted by its author guardian Jan 2013 #101

Reread The Original Post More Carefully - Pay Attention To What Was Not Said cantbeserious Jan 2013 #103

Why stop there? FreeJoe Jan 2013 #105

Truly This Post Does Represent A Logical Absurdity Because It Begins With A Non-Tangible Proposition cantbeserious Jan 2013 #114

Are you serious? FreeJoe Jan 2013 #117

Facts Speak For Themselves - Logic Is Logic - The Fantasy Is That Nothing Can Be Done cantbeserious Jan 2013 #138

Your user name is "cantbeserious" obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #107

My User Name Is Not The Topic At Hand - Is Attacking The Messenger The Best You Have To Offer? cantbeserious Jan 2013 #113

Oh, NO! No one would ever attack the messenger around here ..... oldhippie Jan 2013 #120

If One Is A Right Wing Troll Or A NRA Shill Then That Is Not Necessarily An Ad Hominen Attack cantbeserious Jan 2013 #133

What is one if, actually, an unserious, self-aggrandizing fool? Common Sense Party Jan 2013 #260

Ahhh. This type of rhetoric feeds right in to NRA's rhetoric about gun grabbers aikoaiko Jan 2013 #109

Now It Makes Sense FreeJoe Jan 2013 #119

No Troll - Have Voted Progressively My Entire Life - Logic Dictates That A Choice Be Made cantbeserious Jan 2013 #134

I totally destroyed those stick-on paper targets. Deep13 Jan 2013 #115

Logic Dictates That We Do Not Conflate The Issues - Stick With One Challenge At A Time cantbeserious Jan 2013 #143

Reality just isn't that linear. Deep13 Jan 2013 #155

Reality Is As Linear As Society Chooses To Make It cantbeserious Jan 2013 #159

So - you are advocating the "Acceptable Losses" philosophy? Recursion Jan 2013 #121

No - Logic Dictates Otherwise - It Is Society That Deems Dead Children As "Acceptable Losses" cantbeserious Jan 2013 #132

Fact - what you purpose is impossible to inact. Rex Jan 2013 #124

Fact - Defeatist Attitudes Will Doom Most Endeavors - You Knew That When You Posted cantbeserious Jan 2013 #130

This thread is more fun than a barrel of monkeys. rrneck Jan 2013 #128

Glad That The Unnecessary Deaths Of Innocent Woman And Children Brings You Amusement cantbeserious Jan 2013 #135

Glad you would leverage a tragedy to feed on your own sanctimony. rrneck Jan 2013 #141

Not Leaning On Tragedy - The Tragedy Is The Motivation And Root Of The OP Logic cantbeserious Jan 2013 #144

The OP is self serving hyperbole. nt rrneck Jan 2013 #181

The OP States The Facts And Draws A Conclusion Based On Logic - Society Must Choose cantbeserious Jan 2013 #183

Do you know the difference between rrneck Jan 2013 #184

Yes - Of Course cantbeserious Jan 2013 #191

Then is rrneck Jan 2013 #194

Society Must Choose Which Methods Of Death Are Acceptable And Unacceptable cantbeserious Jan 2013 #195

Is death by baseball bat acceptable? nt rrneck Jan 2013 #197

Asked And Answered cantbeserious Jan 2013 #202

Asked and avoided. rrneck Jan 2013 #217

That is kind of true. ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #131

Reread The Original Post More Carefully - Pay Attention To What Was Not Said cantbeserious Jan 2013 #136

You absolutely get bonus points for not mentioning Hitler. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #213

Fact - Prohibitions fail. You'll never eliminate most of the 300,000,000 firearms. n/t OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #142

Fact - Defeatist Thinking Will Doom Most Endeavors cantbeserious Jan 2013 #145

There's a difference between being realistic and unecessarily defeatist. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #219

In response to your last paragraph... cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #152

False Misdirection - Eliminating Guns Would Mean Stiff Penalties For Those Breaking New Gun Laws cantbeserious Jan 2013 #154

So you're a Death Penalty Advocate then? We have that already. Doesn't stop murderers. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #161

No Advocacy Was Made - It Is Axiomatic That Guns Will Exist Elsewhere - Those Choosing To Use Guns cantbeserious Jan 2013 #164

Perhaps so, just like bow and arrows or spears or swords or blowguns TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #180

So You Are In Support Of The "Acceptable Losses" Defense - Duly Noted cantbeserious Jan 2013 #182

If NRA was interested in protecting the right to bear arms they would promote less killing. Thinkingabout Jan 2013 #185

Yes - Agree - The NRA Has Become Its Own Worst Enemy cantbeserious Jan 2013 #190

Works for me. Unfortunately it'll never happen, just like I won't wake up tomorrow a size 5. MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #186

All Change Begins With the First Step - Society Must Choose If "Acceptable Losses" Are To Be Tolerated cantbeserious Jan 2013 #189

Fact. I own a gun for that very purpose. Throd Jan 2013 #187

The Self Defense Argument As One Of The Many Compromises Justifying "Acceptable Losses" cantbeserious Jan 2013 #188

Shooting an intruder is a completely acceptable loss from my perspective. Throd Jan 2013 #192

Yes - Your Position Is Clear - The Price Of Gun Ownership Is "Acceptable Losses" In Society cantbeserious Jan 2013 #193

People have the right to defend themselves in their homes. Throd Jan 2013 #196

Yes - But Maybe Not With Firearms If Society Chooses Otherwise cantbeserious Jan 2013 #200

I don't care what you or society thinks about defending my home with fireams. Throd Jan 2013 #208

How else are you suggesting people defend themselves in their homes? Common Sense Party Jan 2013 #254

Acceptable Losses is a concept and policy ..... oldhippie Jan 2013 #209

Thank you sylvi Jan 2013 #242

This thread is hilarious. flvegan Jan 2013 #198

Glad That The Unnecessary Deaths Of Innocent Woman And Children Brings You Amusement cantbeserious Jan 2013 #199

Thank you for inventing dems_rightnow Jan 2013 #215

First, it doesn't and only an idiot would suggest such a thing. flvegan Jan 2013 #216

Great thread! zappaman Jan 2013 #201

OK tama Jan 2013 #203

There Was No Mention Of Disarming The Well Regulated Militia That Is Our Army, Navy And Air Force cantbeserious Jan 2013 #205

Get real tama Jan 2013 #210

You can't be serious. LOL. rightsideout Jan 2013 #206

Fact- Hysterical knee jerk reactions based on emotion SQUEE Jan 2013 #207

Why would you feel this is a "knee jerk reaction"? Are the most recent jmg257 Jan 2013 #221

Discussion, yes, by all means. SQUEE Jan 2013 #223

Its only absurd because you don't agree with. He's right though... jmg257 Jan 2013 #224

and if there were no <fill in blank>...oh what a wonderful world this would be. SQUEE Jan 2013 #225

So, what's your point? Does the number of existing guns change his fact with regards to the jmg257 Jan 2013 #226

Again it is an absurd concept, not based in reality. SQUEE Jan 2013 #227

Why? Because you agree that, although a strange concept, it is the thruth? jmg257 Jan 2013 #233

Guns have no single intrinsic purpose sylvi Jan 2013 #239

ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Remmah2 Jan 2013 #241

Glad To See You Enjoying Your Snooze When The Parents Of Sandy Hook Will Live A Life Of Tragedy cantbeserious Jan 2013 #265

Action not emotion solves problems. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #269

Exactly - Sleeping Will Accomplish Nothing cantbeserious Jan 2013 #270

Drugs are illegal... LibertyMonger Jan 2013 #257

I'm not willing to be under teabagger rule in order to have a gun free America ecstatic Jan 2013 #261

A Short Term Strategy - Merits Further Consideration cantbeserious Jan 2013 #274

Gong on you....they have three purposes. ileus Jan 2013 #263

The One Pulling The Trigger Reverts To The Definition Above - Destroy What Is In Front Of The Barrel cantbeserious Jan 2013 #264

yet another person confusing fact and opinion. ho hum. cali Jan 2013 #268

Facts Are Clear - To What Opinion Do You Refer? cantbeserious Jan 2013 #271

Dream on. LAGC Jan 2013 #272

No Dream - Societies Change - Guns Can Be Purged - All It Takes Is Courage And The First Step cantbeserious Jan 2013 #273

You're the NRA's best spokesperson. LAGC Jan 2013 #275

Shame That You Are So Short Sighted cantbeserious Jan 2013 #276

Keep making the NRA's case for them, that gun controllers really want to ban all guns. LAGC Jan 2013 #277

Ah, One Misses The Point Entirely - Shame That Your Mind And Eyes Are So Myopic cantbeserious Jan 2013 #278

On the day you eliminate guns from the world, the following will happen: GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #281

What A Pessimistic World View You Espouse - That Humanity Cannot Grow And Change - You Have My Pity cantbeserious Jan 2013 #282