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Silent3

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76. I don't find the OP offensive at all, so I can't speak for those who are offended.
Sun Jan 6, 2013, 07:18 PM
Jan 2013

It merely strikes me as strange that the OP earns so much acclaim for something that seems to me a bit naive, and doomed to be ineffective.

But you see, we're all (mostly!) trained that taking things from other people is wrong from day one.

And yet, a great deal of theft occurs. More theft than rape. I think (at least in our American culture -- for all of our faults, some cultures are incredibly more misogynistic than ours) we do make it pretty clear that rape is considered not just bad, but heinous. It doesn't come up with what we teach kids at a young age because we're usually shy about bringing up any kind of sexual topics with young kids.

We don't explicitly tell kids not to murder their playmates either, but they still get the idea that murder is an even worse form of the hurting and fighting and bullying they've (hopefully) been taught not to do. I doubt that many people somehow miss that those lessons apply to rape as well.

The tone in which both rape and murder are discussed is generally so serious and harsh that I don't see how people could escape knowing they're both considered very wrong, not without applying their own rationalizations in ways that people who are determined to rationalize wrongdoing do anyway, no matter what. Sure, there might be contexts in which rape gets trivialized (someone might describe getting overbilled by a mechanic as being "raped&quot , but we trivialize killing much, much more often (casually phrases like, "oh, that's killing me", "I'm going to kill you", plenty of killing in games), yet I don't think that we often worry that this means the "killing is wrong" message isn't getting through.

And in the press or in court you NEVER EVER hear anyone excuse the crim of robbery by putting it on the victim. Never. That's what matters, because this enables rapists.

Not that we're exactly comparing apples to apples here anyway, but I certainly have many times heard victims of theft being blamed for being careless or naive. These things simply don't make it to court because there's no known suspect to charge, and don't make a big splash in the news most of the time because (unless it's a huge heist) theft is not considered a major crime.

If you, say, left your wallet on a table in a restaurant while going to the bathroom, and came back and found it gone, if you aren't too embarrassed to report such a theft, you can bet that the officer who takes your report would be considering that crime almost half your fault (no, I'm never saying that's true of rape, for anyone who misconstrues that I'm going there), and may or may not be polite enough to keep that thought to himself. Report a theft like that and you can be pretty sure the report will be filed and forgotten -- enough blame will be placed on you that the police won't think the crime worthy of further investigation.

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10 tips to end rape [View all] PeaceNikki Jan 2013 OP
K&R MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #1
#7 is invalid in California thelordofhell Jan 2013 #2
Or if you're Julian Assange. PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #3
no it's not dsc Jan 2013 #25
This needs to be posted again and again...even here on liberal DU... CTyankee Jan 2013 #4
K&R ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #5
I love this! SunSeeker Jan 2013 #6
The best? SCVDem Jan 2013 #7
Plus a fucken million. Iggo Jan 2013 #8
Puts the responsibility right where it belongs--with men. Hekate Jan 2013 #9
love it!! PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #10
This bothers me immensely davidn3600 Jan 2013 #49
You are totally missing the point. PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #50
K&R, Great Thread. smirkymonkey Jan 2013 #68
EXACTLY. nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2013 #11
Wow, that's a great list! tavalon Jan 2013 #12
You will NEVER see one of those "blame the victim" things from me... PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #13
Good tavalon Jan 2013 #15
I am a huge fan of Jackson Katz who does a wonderful job of advocating. PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #17
That is also an awesome list. nt LisaLynne Jan 2013 #18
This is great. Bookmarking for future reference. MadrasT Jan 2013 #34
I can't emphasize enough how overall goddam important is #3. Iggo Jan 2013 #58
Thank you for that. PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #59
Remember Golda Meir's response to protecting women by locking women up at night? REP Jan 2013 #47
Yes, she was a treasure. :) PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #51
^^^^THIS^^^^ me b zola Jan 2013 #14
This needs to be posted over and over etherealtruth Jan 2013 #16
This is GREAT and should be extended to other crimes, too. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #19
I get that you missed the nuance of the list. PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #20
You missed the nuance of the list Confusious Jan 2013 #26
confucius would say: you should read content of post you reply to PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #27
I did, and it's bullshit Confusious Jan 2013 #28
while you make an intelligent, strong and well-reasoned argument, I disagree. PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #30
Of course you do. Confusious Jan 2013 #32
you didn't read a fucking word. PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #31
I read the entire thing. As you said, I disagree. Confusious Jan 2013 #33
Ah, method #1452 to try to shut up a woman who speaks out. MadrasT Jan 2013 #35
I'm sorry you don't understand the difference between risk reduction and prevention. PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #36
That's a straw man DUDE Confusious Jan 2013 #38
..|.. PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #40
par for the course. nt Confusious Jan 2013 #41
..|.. PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #42
Now you're just making me laugh. Confusious Jan 2013 #43
Are you sitting in your stinky leather recliner Tsiyu Jan 2013 #45
Tip #7 on the poster seems to be a grey area to some Members here at DU REP Jan 2013 #48
Yes. There HAVE been a number of DUers defending Julian Assange, Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #56
I was thinking about the self-admitted rapist who posted this: REP Jan 2013 #64
You REALLY are trying to deflect attention from the fact that vast majority of rapists are men MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #53
Nope. Dominique Strauss-Kahn; Julian Assange; Roman Polanski. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #57
Kick for everyone who is sick of risk reduction being taught to women as 'prevention'. PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #21
k/r Solly Mack Jan 2013 #22
K&R SalviaBlue Jan 2013 #23
The least time this was posted the "Mens Rights" folks had a hissy fit. Odin2005 Jan 2013 #24
I remember. Iggo Jan 2013 #60
Sexism does not need to be said Major Nikon Jan 2013 #63
DURec leftstreet Jan 2013 #29
Bravo Tsiyu Jan 2013 #37
Thank you. PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #39
I especially love the mixed messages Tsiyu Jan 2013 #44
k+r ...nt TeeYiYi Jan 2013 #46
Is this a Joke ? Geez...I hope so. BlueJazz Jan 2013 #52
No, it's not a 'joke'. PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #54
Damn...if our society has gotten this bad that we have to say stuff like: > BlueJazz Jan 2013 #55
It's been this bad. redqueen Jan 2013 #62
It's nice to know there are men like you BlueJazz. smirkymonkey Jan 2013 #69
Aw..that was sweet. Thanks for posting that. BlueJazz Jan 2013 #71
This is real... aptal Jan 2013 #61
I get that this is a protest against "blame the victim" thinking... Silent3 Jan 2013 #65
Yes. To everything. Confusious Jan 2013 #66
I think a lot of people (even here at DU) need to be educated exactly what rape is bettyellen Jan 2013 #67
This shoild be an OP. redqueen Jan 2013 #72
Thank you- you are correct- the MRA stuff is deliberate disinformation. bettyellen Jan 2013 #75
Rightly or wrongly, we do chastise people who don't lock their houses who end up getting robbed... Silent3 Jan 2013 #73
But you see, we're all (mostly!) trained that taking things from other people is wrong from day one. bettyellen Jan 2013 #74
I don't find the OP offensive at all, so I can't speak for those who are offended. Silent3 Jan 2013 #76
How DARE you try to make me feel like I'm the one responsible.., Iggo Jan 2013 #70
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