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ElboRuum

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266. So nothing, then?

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:35 PM

Jan 2013

Well, I guess that's where I get turned around.

See, while some may see privilege, others may not, there is no next step. Apparently, some "???" step/occurrence/miracle occurs, and PROFIT! follows.

So it has been acknowledged. Very well. Tomorrow, can I expect another thread? See, because that's the rub right there. The resistance isn't to the acknowledgement.

See, I object to the word "privilege" for a bunch of reasons, but if I understand it to mean what I think it means, then we can at least agree that what you call "privilege" and I might choose other words for are the same. We are talking about the same thing, and I'll acknowledge that without hesitation.

It is the REPEATED asking for acknowledgement that is precisely irksome. How many of these threads do we truly require? What is their purpose except to periodically remind certain people of their place? Threads that talk to people are fine, but these are clearly talking to some people and AT others.

This is why I say this never goes anywhere. In each of these threads there is a subtext that is not being acknowledged.

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I'm surprised how many DU'ers think aknowledging white male privilege is somehow bigoted [View all] MightyMopar Jan 2013 OP

No. sibelian Jan 2013 #1

Many white men are still doing nasty things and then when they are called it, it's "reverse racism" MightyMopar Jan 2013 #4

Many aren't. What is your point? Kurska Jan 2013 #56

No link was made between the nasty things occurring and any nasty white men. Bradical79 Jan 2013 #63

There is no such thing as reverse racism Major Nikon Jan 2013 #99

If you think about the term "reverse racism" shouldn't that really mean... Cary Jan 2013 #281

That Idea, of Course, On the Road Jan 2013 #380

You misinterpret. annabanana Jan 2013 #5

yep. i think it's worse now since times are tougher for everyone- men compare their fortunes to bettyellen Jan 2013 #11

But it has ALWAYS been that way tblue Jan 2013 #152

yes, I'm just saying the current recession is causing a spike in resentment and fear. bettyellen Jan 2013 #162

No. Times aren't tougher for everyone. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #172

HA HA, the baseline on this chart was when women made 55% of what men did for same job bettyellen Jan 2013 #183

No. My post seems to say that your premise is hogwash. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #188

you're not going to get any sympathy when you're ignoring the real issue of stagnation of wages bettyellen Jan 2013 #191

Entitlement? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #193

So, you have issues with some men making less money than some women. Too fucking bad. bettyellen Jan 2013 #195

Don't let me interrupt. You were about to make some sort of point about my privilege, no doubt. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #202

because your under performing sons are exceptions that prove the rule? bettyellen Jan 2013 #208

I stay at home with my kids gollygee Jan 2013 #211

Lucky! But of course you know both parents working is the norm in America now bettyellen Jan 2013 #218

Yeah I'm aware of that gollygee Jan 2013 #220

My husband stays home with our little children Nikia Jan 2013 #200

yep, leaping from women earning more money straight to custody battles is an odd leap!! bettyellen Jan 2013 #205

Here's Jeffy posting that women should pay MORE for health insurance than men CreekDog Jan 2013 #248

Thanks for providing my words which say exactly the OPPOSITE of what you attribute to me. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #258

you advocate policies like FDR for MEN and policies like Rush Limbaugh when it comes to women CreekDog Jan 2013 #269

I think that gender should not be a rating criteria for life and auto insurance. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #273

No, you think gender should be a rating factor when it COSTS WOMEN MORE CreekDog Jan 2013 #274

You know what I believe despite the fact that I say the exact opposite. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #286

what makes your posts and positions so MORALLY BANKRUPT is that you oppose things that help women CreekDog Jan 2013 #288

that's what makes you so transparently hypocritical!!! you support anything that saves men money CreekDog Jan 2013 #305

And why the assumption that the stress of being a stay-at-home dad would cause divorce gollygee Jan 2013 #212

Being a stay at home dad isn't stressful at all. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #228

My Sister in Law has been the bread winner in her family for twentyfive years... Walk away Jan 2013 #352

revenge? BainsBane Jan 2013 #403

Thank you. Helen Reddy Jan 2013 #196

Hear me ROAR! bettyellen Jan 2013 #199

*wink and a *nod n/t Helen Reddy Jan 2013 #203

Bogus crazyrayray Jan 2013 #383

what's the sound of one hand clapping? CreekDog Jan 2013 #239

Good! Then you'll be glad to know you've arrived. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #240

then why did you just post a graph saying it's not a myth? CreekDog Jan 2013 #241

You could try reading the links to educate yourself. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #249

Wow, according to your graph, women still make a LOT LESS Jamastiene Jan 2013 #265

If everyone worked the same hours in the same careers, that might hold some logic. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #271

That's not true, as you've been shown over and over again. yardwork Jan 2013 #338

The 7% is attributable to the fact that AAUW is doing the study. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #341

women earn less than men BainsBane Jan 2013 #399

Bingo Anna! Dyedinthewoolliberal Jan 2013 #22

The discussion over privilege is a sticky one bayareamike Jan 2013 #28

"I think us white guys need to man up and acknowledge this centuries old offense." sibelian Jan 2013 #92

This is junk. MKITEM Jan 2013 #108

Any black landowners at the time? We know what they did to Native American landholders in Georgia. MightyMopar Jan 2013 #109

There were many free men in colonial times. MKITEM Jan 2013 #110

there were many dsc Jan 2013 #135

And Mexican landowners who ended up on the north side of the new border... backscatter712 Jan 2013 #216

That eventually went away treestar Jan 2013 #119

True, but then some groups of white men were still excluded > Irish need not apply KittyWampus Jan 2013 #165

We have the most unequal society in the developed world. How did men "get" equality? nt Romulox Jan 2013 #325

Please explain that to billh58 Jan 2013 #144

Non landing owning people didn't own slaves. Think this through a bit, would you? Romulox Jan 2013 #295

Yes, it does make sense billh58 Jan 2013 #322

This is nonsense. Sharecroppers (non landing owning agricultural workers) didn't own slaves. Romulox Jan 2013 #323

Now where did I say "sharecroppers?" billh58 Jan 2013 #335

Study history. "Sharecroppers" were what non-land owning agricultural workers were called. Romulox Jan 2013 #339

Dear Romulox, billh58 Jan 2013 #347

I mentioned neither your education nor intellect. I mention your *fabricated history*. Romulox Jan 2013 #350

You used the word "likely", bill. I think"on occasion" used above is much more accurate. TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #432

Thank you. sibelian Jan 2013 #315

Statistically maybe, and there are a bunch of things that are not easier for me because of iiibbb Jan 2013 #127

Life is easier because I'm white. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #175

That's not what the OP is saying Warpy Jan 2013 #12

Oh, give it a rest, it's exactly what they're saying... sibelian Jan 2013 #93

lol Sheldon Cooper Jan 2013 #14

Post 26 applies. 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #33

change it CreekDog Jan 2013 #61

Recognize it. Racism and sexism aren't individual moral flaws; they're roles we play in a system Recursion Jan 2013 #73

Yeah, I've heard it. All of it. sibelian Jan 2013 #94

No treestar Jan 2013 #116

No bad...responsible to help make the necessary changes. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #181

No. There is no "privilege". sibelian Jan 2013 #317

Then you should be even more upset about it Orrex Jan 2013 #351

.... what on EARTH.... ? sibelian Jan 2013 #367

You should watch this. PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #428

You completely misunderstand the problem. Deep13 Jan 2013 #304

Quit whining BainsBane Jan 2013 #397

Are there people who don't think it exists? It's almost the entire basis of christian conservatism. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #2

Lots of people deny it, generally those who benefit from it. Posteritatis Jan 2013 #7

Annnd this thread's certainly joined the others. Ugh. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2013 #44

There is no "white male privilege". sibelian Jan 2013 #421

" man up" this would also be misandrist. equal to misogyny. per some men on du. seabeyond Jan 2013 #3

I should have used different language such as "face up" MightyMopar Jan 2013 #6

lol, ass up? i dunno. though, man up should not be a lot different from be a man. seabeyond Jan 2013 #8

Both are a form of stereotyping Major Nikon Jan 2013 #100

One of the most interesting developments in recent feminist scholarship... Deep13 Jan 2013 #307

yes. nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #320

Fantastic post. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #381

Agree. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #391

Which white guys? Gays? Handicap? The poor? The Straight Story Jan 2013 #9

You don't understand how privilege works gollygee Jan 2013 #10

1+ ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #13

Inaccurate idiocy. Swamp Lover Jan 2013 #39

The concept isn't idiocy, just the way it's used sometimes Major Nikon Jan 2013 #101

B.S. MKITEM Jan 2013 #111

Thank you; someone who gets it Mdterp01 Jan 2013 #174

No. It is not "privilege." sibelian Jan 2013 #314

It's kind of a yin/yang thing gollygee Jan 2013 #319

No. It is not a "yin/ying" thing. sibelian Jan 2013 #374

Yes, it is a "yin/yang" thing gollygee Jan 2013 #377

No. The use of the term "white male privilege" has nothing to do with acknowledging anything. sibelian Jan 2013 #425

It doesn't mean someone else has GONE up gollygee Jan 2013 #430

No. There is no "privilege". sibelian Jan 2013 #316

No. White people have no "privileges". sibelian Jan 2013 #420

Do you think saying it more often gollygee Jan 2013 #431

here you go... PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #19

Love that! Thanks! smirkymonkey Jan 2013 #102

I wish this was an OP. Jamastiene Jan 2013 #279

Post 26 applies. 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #34

Whooosh! Don't you have some cigarette smokers rights to defend. madinmaryland Jan 2013 #38

ask yourself whether being poor, gay, disabled, etc. would be easier or harder if not white CreekDog Jan 2013 #82

The Village People. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #207

Look at it this way Marrah_G Jan 2013 #369

YES. Take this privileged white male, for example. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #15

yes. he can drive his old beat up car and not be pulled over by police while a black man driving seabeyond Jan 2013 #16

I don't know if meth is a problem where you live, Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2013 #31

If you're talking about cops pulling people over, the relevant privilege is "attractive female", Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #48

yes. an attractive white female would get passes. as do my husband, oldest brother and father. seabeyond Jan 2013 #62

Of course theKed Jan 2013 #124

"I'm not diminishing female rape at all". yes. you are. seabeyond Jan 2013 #128

I think I understand theKed Jan 2013 #138

again, yes, another post to ignore white male privilege. nothing more. seabeyond Jan 2013 #141

Apology accepted? theKed Jan 2013 #147

now you project outrage. do you ever have an honest debate, or this just your style, cause it does seabeyond Jan 2013 #149

Who was denying white male privilege? theKed Jan 2013 #156

now... this would be just more bullshit. seabeyond Jan 2013 #159

Just following the track you laid down. theKed Jan 2013 #166

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Jan 2013 #186

I know men can get raped too, but I do not know the Jamastiene Jan 2013 #285

um, have you never heard of a "pu**y check?" zazen Jan 2013 #95

I bet that guy wouldn't trade places with Halle Berry if you asked him. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #21

Post 26 applies. 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #35

I really don't think that particular white guy is the subject Whisp Jan 2013 #65

OK. For the sake of fairness let me post a picture of a black dude. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #75

sure is handsome, and smart too I bet. Whisp Jan 2013 #81

Not surprised to see the point woosh over your head... Scootaloo Jan 2013 #308

This is literally the only place I've ever run across the meme that discussing privilege is bigoted. Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #17

It's actually a pretty common reaction Posteritatis Jan 2013 #18

It's strange, since I know most if not all DUers would agree that the concept Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #20

The right has done a very good job messaging. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #27

me too. bench scientist Jan 2013 #250

Sadly, in my hometown, Jamastiene Jan 2013 #289

Yeah, and it is time to do this RobertEarl Jan 2013 #23

Wot? truebluegreen Jan 2013 #29

No. RobertEarl Jan 2013 #43

White males have done many good things in this country truebluegreen Jan 2013 #47

My opinion RobertEarl Jan 2013 #52

"...the affirmative action the wm embraced...." truebluegreen Jan 2013 #60

Where did I do that? RobertEarl Jan 2013 #66

Sorry if I misread you; given your "point" I'm not sure I did. truebluegreen Jan 2013 #176

White men are the reason that America and Europe are great? yardwork Jan 2013 #407

Did I write that? No RobertEarl Jan 2013 #409

Spell it out for me, then. yardwork Jan 2013 #411

Read my post. RobertEarl Jan 2013 #412

Snort. Are you going to start a thread complaining about my post in Meta? yardwork Jan 2013 #413

Well, isn't that special... billh58 Jan 2013 #30

Ok here is the contrary view RobertEarl Jan 2013 #41

Yes, I agree. The privileged white male "has been very, very for society." Lex Jan 2013 #376

Thank you! nt raccoon Jan 2013 #103

IT. IS. NOT. "PRIVILEGE". sibelian Jan 2013 #378

Are you talking about the "right" of billh58 Jan 2013 #385

"It is not an ADVANTAGE to live in the absence of oppression." Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #386

Post 26 applies. And then some. 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #37

The privileged white male has been very very good for the privileged white male. Squinch Jan 2013 #74

W. T. F. GObamaGO Jan 2013 #372

Maybe, maybe not, and no i did not. RobertEarl Jan 2013 #373

I know I am a beneficiary of White Male Privilege FrodosPet Jan 2013 #24

^^^ Does not get it and never will. 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #26

+1 truebluegreen Jan 2013 #32

Time to quit trying then, I suppose FrodosPet Jan 2013 #71

+1 RobertEarl Jan 2013 #83

Your last line theKed Jan 2013 #130

HELLO??? ANYBODY HOME? backscatter712 Jan 2013 #221

Good for you. sibelian Jan 2013 #423

That's part of the privilege...not having to own up. nt kelliekat44 Jan 2013 #25

No, this is a problem democrats are facing. Quantess Jan 2013 #36

Agreed! strongly! patrice Jan 2013 #42

If we should treat every person as an individual, we should treat EVERY person as an individual. patrice Jan 2013 #40

White male privileges for those who don't know what they are... Kalidurga Jan 2013 #45

But, but billh58 Jan 2013 #50

RIght. Cause that's where we excel. In "backing." Can I steal that post 26 line? Squinch Jan 2013 #77

Of course you can billh58 Jan 2013 #90

It also means your 17 year old white son can walk from the 7-11, through his neighborhood, Moses2SandyKoufax Jan 2013 #53

Male privilege doesn't seem to work too well for him, does it? n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #194

only because it went viral Skittles Jan 2013 #426

White males have received the most privilege from ECONOMIC discrimination, because they used to patrice Jan 2013 #46

And we see that in the equal number of male and female executives at the top of companies... Squinch Jan 2013 #80

Wouldn't it be great if we could move beyond this kind of privilege? Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #49

he is half white lunasun Jan 2013 #57

Are you serious??? Kalidurga Jan 2013 #68

You obviously haven't been paying attention the last several years. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2013 #72

do you think the Black Man could have been President if he was like Bush ? JI7 Jan 2013 #86

Well, Clarence Thomas is on the Supreme Court. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #87

Clarence THomas is a Token, they would put him before they put a qualified black person JI7 Jan 2013 #88

If you'd entertain a question Kurska Jan 2013 #51

rediculess maindawg Jan 2013 #54

It's just like the Christians that love to be persecuted. Now that white guys like myself, don't brewens Jan 2013 #55

Depends on if the argument is backed up in some way Bradical79 Jan 2013 #58

White male, here ... no offense taken mike dub Jan 2013 #59

Good point. LisaLynne Jan 2013 #70

Louis CK sums this up nicely krhines Jan 2013 #64

+1! uponit7771 Jan 2013 #67

had 15 yr old white son listen. seabeyond Jan 2013 #120

Love this!!!! Mdterp01 Jan 2013 #178

I've seen that krhines Jan 2013 #318

I. LOVE. THIS Number23 Jan 2013 #222

I've known my share of white males Le Taz Hot Jan 2013 #69

I tried to have that discussion once on DU2 Orrex Jan 2013 #161

Bingo. laundry_queen Jan 2013 #303

Part of the difficulty IMO is in the framing Orrex Jan 2013 #321

That argument is an attempt to foreclose discussion of inequality and class: Romulox Jan 2013 #326

I'm sorry, but I think that I'm not understanding you. Orrex Jan 2013 #348

I'm sorry. On re-read I can see my post is anything but clear. Romulox Jan 2013 #356

Thanks for the clarification Orrex Jan 2013 #357

I once heard Chris Rock quip that no white man would trade places with him. Romulox Jan 2013 #358

Sure, but that's not the point Orrex Jan 2013 #359

Forgive me, but Chris Rock having a choice of where he wants to live is an example of... Romulox Jan 2013 #360

You seem very eager to have one discussion to the exclusion of all else Orrex Jan 2013 #361

I thought I was having a civil discussion (I originally thought I was agreeing with you, even!) Romulox Jan 2013 #362

I didn't intend to insult you, but if I did so then I apologize Orrex Jan 2013 #364

Oh, for FFS! Hatchling Jan 2013 #434

Nonsense. Class privilege is NOT "white male privilege". The conflation is erroneous, and Romulox Jan 2013 #440

White privilege is the ability to say "I don't see color" Recursion Jan 2013 #76

I think the key thing is to judge people by the content of their character, Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #79

and people do that more for White Males than for other groups JI7 Jan 2013 #89

Irony is not dead. nt Romulox Jan 2013 #327

The myth of color blindness gollygee Jan 2013 #105

My sister (white, but female) exhibits a lot of what is often attributed... Silent3 Jan 2013 #78

If you are referring to the gun thread that concerned WMP, then your accusation is off. ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #84

I am not nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #85

You are conflating two different things. One exists, the other does not. nt lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #91

What's interesting is those that argue otherwise can't seem to do so without such conflations Major Nikon Jan 2013 #97

I'll be happy to accept responsibility for my unearned privilege if you promise to never Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #96

FFS... "I posted a gun thread and it didn't work out like I thought it would." cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #98

Spot on. pecwae Jan 2013 #104

Yeah, it went so bad it got 29 recs! MightyMopar Jan 2013 #106

Do you want a cookie? nt pecwae Jan 2013 #112

Got bunch of attaboys in my e-mail box MightyMopar Jan 2013 #113

Thrilled for you. nt pecwae Jan 2013 #114

What wasn't factual? And what is it you're progressive about? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #107

thoughts frustrated_lefty Jan 2013 #134

I'm making the case that rural white gun owners are stifling meaningful gun regulations MightyMopar Jan 2013 #143

More laws! FrodosPet Jan 2013 #146

Fund the ATF and get it a director! Rural whites political allies in Congress stifle enforcement MightyMopar Jan 2013 #148

And this will get people to "start snitchin"? FrodosPet Jan 2013 #150

You think so? frustrated_lefty Jan 2013 #155

**LOOK AT MEEEEE!!!!!!** datasuspect Jan 2013 #117

Yer not kiddin'. sibelian Jan 2013 #375

I regard my WMP as a reasonable reparation for my physical handicaps and circumstances of my birth slackmaster Jan 2013 #115

With 10 percent of black men in prison, do you really want to challenge that lottery? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #121

Very few of them are in prison simply for being black. Most people in prison are indeed criminals. slackmaster Jan 2013 #122

I beg to differ. PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #125

I didn't say that people NEVER get railroaded by the justice system slackmaster Jan 2013 #126

Tilts it a hell of a lot more than a bit. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #223

Black men in prison are there primarily because they're men. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #224

It is because people mistakenly think that there is only one definition for privilege Marrah_G Jan 2013 #118

Not getting fucked with as much by the police or ignored by bartenders are forms of privilege slackmaster Jan 2013 #123

So you're saying black men are gentically predisposed to being criminals? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #129

How the fuck did you get THAT out of what was posted above? NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #131

Let slackmaster defend himself MightyMopar Jan 2013 #132

It seems to be something you've made up out of thin air. ??? nt polly7 Jan 2013 #133

Crickets from slackmaster MightyMopar Jan 2013 #136

I wouldn't answer that kind of stupidity either. nt. polly7 Jan 2013 #137

Still crickets from slackmaster! So why are more black men in jail if it isn't WMP? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #139

Here's the problem with your stupid post, Mo... Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #214

Sounds like sour grapes. Either it's genetic or WMP or let's hear something else from slackmaster MightyMopar Jan 2013 #227

Good question. Why are 11x as many men in jail if we're the privileged gender? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #225

Men are the guilty sex all over the world but you can't say that about race MightyMopar Jan 2013 #229

You're comfortable with sexism but not racism? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #235

Sexism definition leans toward discrimaination toward women since they tend to have less power MightyMopar Jan 2013 #243

Word salad. I asked an exceedingly simple question. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #254

Women can't be sexist because they don't have the institutional power MightyMopar Jan 2013 #292

bullshit. nt lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #299

You might not like the answer,but many intellectuals agree with me and unlike slackmaster i answered MightyMopar Jan 2013 #301

This entire thread is a trainwreck of sexism disguised as progressivism. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #331

I was out watching football and drinking gin and tonic slackmaster Jan 2013 #334

It looks like he intended to reply to #122 gollygee Jan 2013 #164

That's called conflating, I think. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #167

It's either genetic or WMP, what else is there? That's why slackmaster won't respond, he's cornered MightyMopar Jan 2013 #171

I wasn't "cornered" or in any way avoiding responsing to you, MightyMopar. I actually have a life. slackmaster Jan 2013 #336

No, I'm not saying that at all. Are you? slackmaster Jan 2013 #333

So why are so many black men in jail? Genetics or White male privilege? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #384

Because A. They have (in most cases) committed crimes, and B. A white person who has committed... slackmaster Jan 2013 #388

That's not how privilege is defined Major Nikon Jan 2013 #238

We don't live in an ideal world Hippo_Tron Jan 2013 #298

What you are describing are civil rights Major Nikon Jan 2013 #311

It's not a "mistake". People rightly see that CLASS BASED DISCRIMINATION is the most Romulox Jan 2013 #332

There definitely is class based descrimination Marrah_G Jan 2013 #368

That is not "privilege"..... sibelian Jan 2013 #422

Women should stop having baby boys. nt valerief Jan 2013 #140

They already are. Many are using fertility clinics to increase the chance of having a girl MightyMopar Jan 2013 #142

Reconcile this with your belief in male privilege. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #226

These women are rebelling against male power and selfishness MightyMopar Jan 2013 #293

i love my boys so i will just have to settle for education. works for us. how peaceful and easy seabeyond Jan 2013 #189

It's not bigoted, of course. But those in a luxury condo don't like that pointed out.... Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #145

I have privilege and I'm a minority Mdterp01 Jan 2013 #151

Thank you for posting. LisaLynne Jan 2013 #154

Exactly; although I will say... Mdterp01 Jan 2013 #157

Yes, that was really interesting to me, too. LisaLynne Jan 2013 #160

I knew we still had far to go Mdterp01 Jan 2013 #170

+1, what I've heard in the past is no one wants to have their accomplishments asterisked uponit7771 Jan 2013 #337

Isn't this a defining difference between us and the Baggers? Flashmann Jan 2013 #153

I am amazed that anyone takes this OP seriously Vinnie From Indy Jan 2013 #158

I hear well off white males whining all the time about affirmative action or some other affront. MightyMopar Jan 2013 #163

You hear voices while reading DU? Vinnie From Indy Jan 2013 #168

This OP got 39 recs, some one agrees with me. MightyMopar Jan 2013 #169

31% of Americans believe in ghosts Vinnie From Indy Jan 2013 #179

42 recs! You can't prove ghosts don't exist but WMP is easily proved MightyMopar Jan 2013 #184

Are you suggesting that 42 recs at DU is your proof? n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #190

You're doing a good job explaining white privilege. Now explain the other half. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #177

Really? I believe I never attempted to explain that subject. Vinnie From Indy Jan 2013 #182

I was replying to the original poster. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #187

Try finding positve to go towards im a Belieber Jan 2013 #173

Agreed. We white guys have a lot of internal and external work to do, Ken Burch Jan 2013 #180

We do? Throd Jan 2013 #209

No, I don't represent ALL white guys, but I AM one of them, and so are you. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #217

OK, so it exists. Now what? Throd Jan 2013 #185

We never get much beyond this. ElboRuum Jan 2013 #192

i know that i have repeatedly taken it beyond that. seabeyond Jan 2013 #198

So nothing, then? ElboRuum Jan 2013 #266

try to keep your privilege in mind when interacting with others. remember your voice is not bettyellen Jan 2013 #282

So your conjecture is relative then? ElboRuum Jan 2013 #392

to clarify (or restate) he lacked the skills, and his confidence was unfounded, LOL. bettyellen Jan 2013 #395

Bettyellen... ElboRuum Jan 2013 #401

more bullshit. "I've been rather curious myself as to the putative next step in the process." bettyellen Jan 2013 #405

The steps you have elucidated... ElboRuum Jan 2013 #416

there's a difference between acknowledgement and doing something about it... bettyellen Jan 2013 #436

Second verse, same as the first. ElboRuum Jan 2013 #439

You're not supposed to. Issues like this aren't to be resolved, they are to be used as a jawbone. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #204

that is all. acknowledgment and recognition. that goes a hell of a long way. seabeyond Jan 2013 #197

try to keep it in mind when interacting with others. remember your voice is no more important than bettyellen Jan 2013 #230

this. a thousand times, this. PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #231

I was literally just expanding on what you said below and must give you credit! bettyellen Jan 2013 #233

you stated it perfectly PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #234

I'm a White Male fascisthunter Jan 2013 #201

I think those people are seeing it as a personal thing rather than a systematic PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #213

Seeing as how "white men" came from Europe. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #206

Where should black men go? (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #252

Canada should be for First Nations only. You're just as much an interloper as anyone! Romulox Jan 2013 #346

It is. Lady Freedom Returns Jan 2013 #210

Ah, that elephant in the room that even people at DU won't talk about. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #215

Now you understand why there are like 20 non-white posters here Number23 Jan 2013 #219

How would you even know the racial breakdown of DUers? Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #232

Exactly what I'd expect you to say. Thanks. Number23 Jan 2013 #242

Ah, so you're assuming that every non-white poster acknowleges that fact at some point, Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #244

I've found that the only people that don't acknowledge their race tend to be white Number23 Jan 2013 #253

LOL. So if they don't acknowledge their race, how do you know they are white? Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #255

And I'm guessing you're not a person who comprehends things like written words Number23 Jan 2013 #260

LOL*2. All you can really say is that *some* minority posters acknowledge their race. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #267

I'm not surprised you're laughing Number23 Jan 2013 #272

"Non-scientific". We finally agree on something. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #276

To be perfectly honest, I'd sleep much better if I was secure in the knowledge Number23 Jan 2013 #277

OK. Well on second thoughts I disagree with you on that too. Enjoy your good night's sleep! Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #278

It is afternoon where I am and I sincerely hope that this will be our last exchange. Number23 Jan 2013 #280

I'm surprised how nasty this thread has become and what that means about DU MightyMopar Jan 2013 #297

LOL! So you assume everyone here is white unless they tell you otherwise? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #263

What kept you? I was waiting for you a few posts ago Number23 Jan 2013 #268

So... your answer is "yes". n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #270

I also assume everyone is white unless they say they're not MightyMopar Jan 2013 #294

I'm sad to hear how few actual black people are on DU MightyMopar Jan 2013 #290

Yep, you nailed it. Probably more NRA sock puppets on DU than black posters Number23 Jan 2013 #312

There are probably more billh58 Jan 2013 #400

You want me to atone for something my GG3 grandfather may have done? That sounds like the dexter sinister Jan 2013 #236

And being from billh58 Jan 2013 #324

I have a couple of big old guns, and several big and small new ones too, and I shall continue to dexter sinister Jan 2013 #371

Typical NRA sock puppet billh58 Jan 2013 #398

What in the world are you smoking? dexter sinister Jan 2013 #437

Dictionary.com says: cbrer Jan 2013 #237

This message was self-deleted by its author Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #246

Are you a white American? Then you gained from the benefits of slavery, native American conquest, et MightyMopar Jan 2013 #251

Acnowledged. Didn't I admit that? cbrer Jan 2013 #257

Post 247 (among many others) may change your mind Number23 Jan 2013 #264

Didn't say we wouldn't run into any cbrer Jan 2013 #283

Yes, I agree with you Number23 Jan 2013 #284

Racism runs deep JReed Jan 2013 #245

Can you please provide attribution for the text you quoted... SidDithers Jan 2013 #261

I'm sure you can see the names of the handful of posters that desperately need to read Number23 Jan 2013 #275

This would have been a very useful and productive conversation to have in the 1950s. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #247

Got under your skin, did it? That's probably not a bad thing Number23 Jan 2013 #256

I would say "mild bemusement" as opposed to "disgust". Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #262

I reject your whole premise that bigotry is "the defining difference" between white males and Bagger Lil Missy Jan 2013 #259

In the opening of The Great Gatsby Chathamization Jan 2013 #287

Here's an example of white privilege that doesn't often get acknowledged: thucythucy Jan 2013 #291

That "privilege" goes to women as much if not moreso. It doesn't really support Romulox Jan 2013 #296

If you will re-read billh58 Jan 2013 #328

You've made this mistake before: you can't limit discussion to some subset of the OP. Romulox Jan 2013 #330

No, it is you who have made this billh58 Jan 2013 #342

thucythucy's points are interesting. You, on the other hand, are following me from thread to thread Romulox Jan 2013 #345

As I remember, it was you billh58 Jan 2013 #349

Except of course thucythucy Jan 2013 #343

Women control the majority of wealth in this country. Romulox Jan 2013 #344

Interesting website, thucythucy Jan 2013 #353

"Wages" and "wealth" are very different concepts. You were discussing intergenerational transfers Romulox Jan 2013 #354

Indeed. "wealth" is something of an amorphous term. thucythucy Jan 2013 #366

Hopefully this is a better source for the same info (Forbes.com). Romulox Jan 2013 #355

The male privilege part of the equation is the only controversial one. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #329

I think it would help if class privilege were discussed simultaneously with WMP Hippo_Tron Jan 2013 #300

This isn't an admission of personal guilt, BTW,... Deep13 Jan 2013 #302

they are a very threatened group Skittles Jan 2013 #306

Personally, I am delighted that we have elected a black President. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #309

PREACH IT, NYE! Skittles Jan 2013 #310

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2013 #340

Of course white privilege exists sylvi Jan 2013 #313

What is white privilege? crazyrayray Jan 2013 #387

Well, ideally what you say is true. sylvi Jan 2013 #393

Let me offer you a picture of white male privelege jtuck004 Jan 2013 #363

Frank was Native American. Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #419

Yes and I should have made that clear. jtuck004 Jan 2013 #424

I was reminded that there is some suggestion that Frank Little was at least part Native American. jtuck004 Jan 2013 #427

Womanist Musings: Stop Denying White Female Privilege Bonobo Jan 2013 #438

Agree 100%, WMP is very much alive in the USA Taverner Jan 2013 #365

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #370

In your mind, maybe. But not in real life. Lex Jan 2013 #379

I'm not sure where I am OccupyManny Jan 2013 #382

Pale faced doughy fat white grey haired men 4 t 4 Jan 2013 #390

why do you have to insult DU to make your point? Can you back it up? yurbud Jan 2013 #389

57 recs, a bunch of people agree with me MightyMopar Jan 2013 #394

Not really an answer is it? ElboRuum Jan 2013 #402

Several black DU'ers have told me DU isn't African American friendly including on one on this thread MightyMopar Jan 2013 #406

So this is your attempt at mending a fence or two? ElboRuum Jan 2013 #410

"premeditated attempt to make DU suck"? Really? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #408

Yep, it's what I said. ElboRuum Jan 2013 #414

NOT ADMITTING WMP IS A PROBLEM OR EVEN EXISTS IS THE PROBLEM! MightyMopar Jan 2013 #415

Fine. ElboRuum Jan 2013 #417

Not really on a witch hunt just a search for clarity about Democrats MightyMopar Jan 2013 #418

You can look on this thread for billh58 Jan 2013 #404

How the heck is the OP insulting DU? Taverner Jan 2013 #435

I'm not surprised at all. Not at all. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #396

Tim Wise - The Pathology of White Privilege PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #429

Thank you for posting billh58 Jan 2013 #433