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In reply to the discussion: Why Hagel? [View all]WilliamPitt
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When it comes to LGBT equality, 1998 is a different universe. Virtually no prominent Democrats (let alone Republicans) supported marriage equality back then, or even equal rights for LGBT citizens. In fact, Hagel's comment came only two years after the overwhelming majority of Democratic Senators voted in favor of the truly odious and discriminatory Defense of Marriage Act - including Joe Biden, Patty Murray, Pat Leahy and Paul Wellstone - which was then signed into law by Bill Clinton. That law not only defined marriage as between a man and a woman, but barred the federal government from issuing any spousal benefits - immigration, tax, death benefits - to same-sex couples. If you're going to judge politicians by how they felt about LGBT issues 15 years ago, be prepared to scorn almost every national Democratic Party hero you have as a bigot.
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So yes: like virtually every prominent politician in both parties, Chuck Hagel had primitive and ugly views on gay issues back in 1998. But shouldn't the question be: does he still hold these views or, like huge numbers of Americans, have his viewed evolved since then? Hagel has apologized for what he said, an apology which Hormel accepted, graciously noting: "I can't remember a time when a potential presidential nominee apologized for anything . . . .Since 1998, fourteen years have passed, and public attitudes have shifted--perhaps Senator Hagel has progressed with the times, too." Moreover, Hagel last week also vowed that he is "fully supportive of 'open service' and committed to LGBT military families."
...from the article.
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So yes: like virtually every prominent politician in both parties, Chuck Hagel had primitive and ugly views on gay issues back in 1998. But shouldn't the question be: does he still hold these views or, like huge numbers of Americans, have his viewed evolved since then? Hagel has apologized for what he said, an apology which Hormel accepted, graciously noting: "I can't remember a time when a potential presidential nominee apologized for anything . . . .Since 1998, fourteen years have passed, and public attitudes have shifted--perhaps Senator Hagel has progressed with the times, too." Moreover, Hagel last week also vowed that he is "fully supportive of 'open service' and committed to LGBT military families."
...from the article.
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Hitler and Churchill were combat veterans, neither had qualms about ordering men to die.
FarCenter
Jan 2013
#68
Wall Street Journal article from yesterday says Obama was assured that Hagel
TwilightGardener
Jan 2013
#25
Good to hear. I was also happy to hear that Hagel apologized for his homophobic comments. n/t
vaberella
Jan 2013
#84
Hence the reason I refrained. Weren't democrats back then what Republicans are largely now?
vaberella
Jan 2013
#83
Andrew Jackson's actions in dealing with the Cherokee were both vile and unconstitutional.
white_wolf
Jan 2013
#53
Glenn Greenwald cares deeply about civil liberties, constitutional process, & defense policy.
Faryn Balyncd
Jan 2013
#8
I don't discount concerns from progressives out of hand... That said, I'm NOT convinced by them.
hlthe2b
Jan 2013
#14
Bill Clinton managed to cut defense spending during his first term without a Republican Secy.
progressoid
Jan 2013
#26
Here's a lengthy article that shows why Obama probably likes the guy...
TwilightGardener
Jan 2013
#28
well, his opponents don't even know how the knight moves, so may a different game is in order..
snooper2
Jan 2013
#55
Give the guy a break. That was in the 90's. I guarantee a lot of others were saying it with him.
judesedit
Jan 2013
#38
He has to do better on explaining himself regarding LGBTIQ rights.We should not accept anything less
stevenleser
Jan 2013
#54
Just Imagine The Optics Of Republicans VIRULENTLY OpposingThe Nomination of REPUBLICAN Chuck Hagel
Skraxx
Jan 2013
#77
Kerry @ Sec'y State = Democratic Senate majority's loss; Hagel @ DoD Sec'y = Haliburton's loss
Texas Lawyer
Jan 2013
#78