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188. She knew he had access to a crowbar as that's how he entered the house -

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #183)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:13 AM

Jan 2013

- as to if he had it in the attic, the report doesn't say if he did or didn't. It doesn't matter as she already knew he had one available and she responded accordingly. A different article states that he was released from jail in August after serving time for Battery, establishing that he has a history of doing physical harm.

After having already done time in jail - and now finding three witnesses to his current crime - and knowing that his next sentence would be greater as he's a repeat offender - can it be guaranteed that he wouldn't have done harm to her or the children?

I'm glad she had a means in which to protect herself and her family and I have serious doubts as to if he'll be terrorizing anyone else anytime soon.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/mother-of-two-surprises-burglar-with-five-gunshots/nTnGR/

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Mother shoots home intruder...after he cornered her in attic with her twins, 9 [View all] Skip Intro Jan 2013 OP

Amazing, she was able to do it with 6 shots, and no 30 round clips or bushmaster 223. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #1

Does the NRA pay you post such inflamitory drivel? hack89 Jan 2013 #2

Must have hit a nerve, huh. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #9

When gun control fails one more time hack89 Jan 2013 #16

No, Im saying that no one needs a fucking bushmaster 223 to hunt or for self defense. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #18

Please stop calling it.. sendero Jan 2013 #29

Bushmaster is the brand. And just as im not interested in "learning more" about the shit in my sewer Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #37

Yes.. sendero Jan 2013 #41

I'm not wobbly. The story confirms what I've said; no one needs a "fucking AR-15-- that's the name" Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #48

+10 nilram Jan 2013 #112

good thoughrt Atticeman Jan 2013 #123

When the costs to society far outweigh mikeysnot Jan 2013 #195

Did any of those victims have guns? marshall Jan 2013 #269

Ignorance is Strength cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #43

I know exactly what I'm talking about. Bushmaster is the brand. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #49

Stop it! You're hurting the guns feelings! neverforget Jan 2013 #53

What's That: The NRA's Motto? It Ought To Be. (nt) Paladin Jan 2013 #211

That's odd, you were an expert on home defense just a few minutes before. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #78

quack quack quack Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #98

Yep just another example guardian Jan 2013 #95

I'm sure some people do want to ban all guns. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #99

We can agree to disagree about what should be banned. guardian Jan 2013 #106

My semi-facetious point was ridiculing that odd, um, ...anxiety on the part of some gun owners Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #113

An AWB will not make America safer hack89 Jan 2013 #149

If it won't have any impact, why is there such a flappy-armed freakout over the prospect of it? Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #198

I have never been concerned about losing my rifles hack89 Jan 2013 #219

quack quack quack Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #242

Pathetic. hack89 Jan 2013 #246

Thats all you see, huh. Its all about you. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #257

I see you smearing every legal gun owner with the blood of innocents hack89 Jan 2013 #271

Oh, yes, the "Culture War" Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #273

The reasons I don't oppose the AWB should give you pause. hack89 Jan 2013 #283

Its a start. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #284

That is nonsense and you know it. hack89 Jan 2013 #285

It will also be the end for another decade or.so hack89 Jan 2013 #287

When ten gun killings tip the scale of one home protection per day, legal gun owners are complicit ancianita Jan 2013 #292

OK. nt hack89 Jan 2013 #295

Does it fucking matter, so long as you fucking know what the fuck he's fucking talking about? Scootaloo Jan 2013 #128

get a new talking point BainsBane Jan 2013 #132

What if there had been three intruders? ImSober Jan 2013 #97

and what if the THREE HOME INVADERS had been DRIVING A TANK? What THEN????!?!?!??! Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #104

There was a story in which a mother put out a kitchen fire with a dish towel. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #178

So there should be no limits at all on the level of weaponry available for home "defense" Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #197

The "no-limits" meme is a creation of the anti-gunners for straw-man purposes. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #199

Do you like Bob Dylan? Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #203

Bob Dylan never used such vulgarities to make his point. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #215

No. The "no-limits" meme was invented by the "well regulated militia" & "shall not be infringed" ancianita Jan 2013 #293

Do you have even a link to that, even a single link? Or did you just make that up? AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #297

That's just an M47 Dragon Missile Launcher tube. tradecenter Jan 2013 #202

Technically, that's a picture of a dragon missile launcher tube, and not the launcher tube itself. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #205

I don't understand what you're saying here. tradecenter Jan 2013 #208

I'm saying it's a picture of the thing, not the thing itself. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #209

Ok, I get it now. tradecenter Jan 2013 #213

LOL! lunatica Jan 2013 #168

Try to put a bullet in each invader's leg. musical_soul Jan 2013 #296

Not a good idea christx30 Jan 2013 #303

what you request isn't reasonable neighbor Jan 2013 #121

Then make a stronger ban. Make a ban with penalties for not just sale, but possession. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #122

You can wish for whaterver you want, but a new ban isn't happening, at least for 2 years Travis_0004 Jan 2013 #142

There will be no new legislation on guns Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #160

If the banksters and other members of the super-rich want it, such legislation will be adopted. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #180

it's part of TEH PLOT, MAN! ALEX JONES SAYS SO! Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #206

Is he a gun-controller? AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #218

A new ban with penalties for possession isn't realistic or reasonable either neighbor Jan 2013 #172

Fine, then limit the rate of fire. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #207

Not sure how you could reliably make that a possibility. neighbor Jan 2013 #241

Oh no! Not the 1800s! Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #243

Can we have semi-automatic pistols? hack89 Jan 2013 #134

You can be competitive target shooters with non-semi-automatic weapons muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #141

Sorry but you are not going to ban anything hack89 Jan 2013 #146

Again, you show what is wrong with DU and the USA muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #170

LOL!! Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #171

That would be the patriotic thing to say, wouldn't it? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #179

No - I am saying Senator Feinstein is not going to ban anything hack89 Jan 2013 #173

Don't bother clarifying your statement, to them you have a sickness Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #174

You're the only person to mention Feinstein or her proposal in this thread muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #182

No problem with a limit on mag size hack89 Jan 2013 #187

Because a ban would make people a bit safer muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #191

Doing nothing will save lives. hack89 Jan 2013 #220

How about banning swimming pools? jtb33 Jan 2013 #300

Not only disappoint... Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #193

Perhaps you should contact Vice President Biden directly & tell him not to "waste his time" Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #214

He would let me keep my rifles. Just like Senator Feinstein. hack89 Jan 2013 #223

Glad to hear you won't have problem with the multiple agenda items they're working on then Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #245

The AWB will not be retroactive. hack89 Jan 2013 #248

This Biden? SIBIndi Jan 2013 #256

how do you run 3 gun without it? generalhh Jan 2013 #153

You see? You're defending deaths on the basis that you like the format of one competition muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #169

Exactly greytdemocrat Jan 2013 #154

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #176

Excellent Username, Larrymoe Curlyshemp Jan 2013 #69

Welcome to DU. nt hack89 Jan 2013 #135

The Clinton era assault weapons ban was perfectly reasonable ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #74

Guns like this were legal under the AWB hack89 Jan 2013 #133

I understand overthehillvet Jan 2013 #103

how is he an extremist BainsBane Jan 2013 #131

Look what happened in Illinois hack89 Jan 2013 #136

not especially BainsBane Jan 2013 #139

A black and white cartoonish view of gun owners is not mainstream hack89 Jan 2013 #147

no, I did not BainsBane Jan 2013 #152

any reform or just your reforms? generalhh Jan 2013 #157

I provided a link to a poll BainsBane Jan 2013 #162

I favor reform - I just don't go as far as you do. hack89 Jan 2013 #164

My heart bleeds BainsBane Jan 2013 #251

I support all three proposals you mention hack89 Jan 2013 #254

Really? kbworkman Jan 2013 #161

There were also false reports claiming that he wore a bullet-proof vest. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #216

They are just back at their "Hooray people are shooting each other" posts. Walk away Jan 2013 #62

This is what is wrong with DU: you are defending 30 round clips and the Bushmaster muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #144

No - this is what is wrong with DU hack89 Jan 2013 #148

Well, your concern for those potential victims is touching. Skip Intro Jan 2013 #4

Huh? Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #12

In before the feeble self alert! morningfog Jan 2013 #66

I like cjeekdgg Capt. Obvious Jan 2013 #155

Good point. wyldwolf Jan 2013 #5

Whenever the gun nuts say that you're not helping your own cause, you're helping your own cause alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #30

Yeah. And "don't bother, because there is no point, itll never get anywhere." Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #33

or you need to know every single thing about every car JI7 Jan 2013 #58

You don't need to know the gear ratios... Coyote_Tan Jan 2013 #87

I'm sure it's possible to write a ban that includes the AR-15 & high capacity magazines. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #102

That's actually an M4 carbine. Dr_Scholl Jan 2013 #124

ROFL rightsideout Jan 2013 #75

I can't stop laughing at this. I just had to paste it into a FaceBook discussion about guns. ROFL. rightsideout Jan 2013 #86

She emptied the gun. krispos42 Jan 2013 #100

I think it's probably reasonable to assume she's got two hands. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #101

Not quite a rugby team.... wercal Jan 2013 #110

Lucky for her he didn't have an accomplice. wercal Jan 2013 #107

OK try this one overthehillvet Jan 2013 #109

He could've brought a zombie crew with him, that would justify 1000 rounds of ammo!! uponit7771 Jan 2013 #125

Tonya Thomas shot her kids 18 times bowens43 Jan 2013 #3

She couldn't have used anything else? Undismayed Jan 2013 #17

There sure seem to be a lot of tools worthy of blame these days. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #24

Did the gun protect that other woman and her children by itself? Ikonoklast Jan 2013 #25

No tool will guarantee your safety. Well, except maybe some sort of robotic gun turret. Undismayed Jan 2013 #28

A firearm is not a tool, no matter how many times that false equivalency gets used. Ikonoklast Jan 2013 #40

Since all tools are "ball-peen"(sic) hammers.. pipoman Jan 2013 #47

Use screwdriver if you want. Ikonoklast Jan 2013 #52

Disregard for the actual meaning of words noted and pointed out..n/t pipoman Jan 2013 #57

She didn't use anything else, did she? n/t Ed Suspicious Jan 2013 #91

Right, but in any situation where someone did use something else, Undismayed Jan 2013 #96

Well what do you suggest.. sendero Jan 2013 #32

If you are going to ask that question.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #84

I'm not sure what you're getting at... neighbor Jan 2013 #117

Elzbieta Plackowska stabbed her son 100 times and another child 50 Marengo Jan 2013 #275

Moral of the story: Keep your guns at home. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #6

Or on you former-republican Jan 2013 #8

At home. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #10

Nope, on me. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #27

Get pepper spray or a taser if you're going out. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #60

Out? OUT? It's SCARRRRY OUT THERE!!!!!! SCARY! IM SKEEEERED! Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #67

Is she a terrorist former-republican Jan 2013 #7

No, she defended her home with a revolver. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #15

It doesn't matter to me what kind of firearm she used former-republican Jan 2013 #19

I am, too. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #21

speedloader sleestak smile Jan 2013 #44

Because you can make any gun operate like a fully automatic rifle Lordquinton Jan 2013 #71

He carried three guns neighbor Jan 2013 #115

Yet he killed those kids with the AR-15. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #119

That's right, he shot around 20 children with a rifle. neighbor Jan 2013 #249

"You people"? ...Um, Whoops. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #258

Kudos to that lady. I would have done the same. n/t RebelOne Jan 2013 #286

Good thing there wasn't two of them, home invasions are normally two or more former-republican Jan 2013 #20

Just think, if she'd been able to keep a shoulder fired missile in her attic. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #22

It's hard for you to defend your previous post former-republican Jan 2013 #23

So your suggestion is that a bushmaster 223 is necessary to protect against home invasions Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #26

Have you ever had to fire a weapon under stress before to save a life or end one ? former-republican Jan 2013 #34

Maybe they should hire mrs. Herman. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #39

I was asking you because you gave your expert opinion former-republican Jan 2013 #42

And I'm asking if people have zero fucking shame Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #46

Like Zimmerman did? when he coward style shot an innocent man to death just to watch him die? graham4anything Jan 2013 #127

so when the life of your children and family is at stake, choose the least effective weapon? sleestak smile Jan 2013 #45

Then why shouldn't people be allowed to own nuclear-tipped ICBMs? Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #50

The guys in this video needed one. Undismayed Jan 2013 #31

the LA Riots ? seriously ? JI7 Jan 2013 #38

Protip: If you want someone to understand you, Undismayed Jan 2013 #73

Can't figure out? Smartless much? Ed Suspicious Jan 2013 #92

Update from our local Atlanta TV news station RebelOne Jan 2013 #11

good thing this guy wasn't trying to alert the family that the house was on fire librechik Jan 2013 #13

If you read the article, clearly he wasn't being friendly ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #83

Good for her. Brickbat Jan 2013 #14

If only she'd been on a published list of registered gun owners... Orrex Jan 2013 #35

That woman would be alive today if she had a .223 Bushmaster with a 20-30 round magazine. Kaleva Jan 2013 #36

Thank you. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #51

No evidence has ever been presented, as far as I know, that hi cap mags are needed for self defense Kaleva Jan 2013 #63

Yeah. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #65

*Do* alert the Department of Needs about your insight... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #77

It is generally considered to be wise to do some research when deciding what weapons.. Kaleva Jan 2013 #111

OK. So if we agree to allow that weapon for home defense, can we ban semiautomatics? (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #54

Oh good! Gungeon posts in GD! All hail the sacred gun! morningfog Jan 2013 #55

*** Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #64

I posted this... LP2K12 Jan 2013 #151

Why is this any less appropriate than the countless other gun posts in GD? Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #186

This is not big news, not a national story and has nothing to do with pending legislation. morningfog Jan 2013 #196

i'm glad she was able to save herself and her family. samsingh Jan 2013 #56

Proving once again - you don't need a semi-auto assault rifle with a 30 round clip jpak Jan 2013 #59

A rarity treestar Jan 2013 #61

Yeah, because things like mass shootings are the norm. eliters Jan 2013 #81

angry much? crmarshall Jan 2013 #68

Sadly you were just banned as a troll, so you may never know. Robb Jan 2013 #72

Easy. There would not have been one in his home if the Rs had not eliminated the ban. Coyotl Jan 2013 #94

I agree uncommonCents Jan 2013 #70

Where does it say that the intruder died? SoCalNative Jan 2013 #79

Something is wrong with this story. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #76

Perhaps his intent sarisataka Jan 2013 #88

Not all crooks are smart.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #89

Because a safe is just about never in an attic? Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #143

Burglars generally are, JoeyT Jan 2013 #118

Right. And yet the linked story claims "burglar". That was my point. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #145

Less of a burglar and more of a home invader... Coyote_Tan Jan 2013 #129

Ok, but "home invader" is anyone who breaks into a home. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #137

if there is a 3 strike law and you already have 2 generalhh Jan 2013 #166

My friend got robbed several years ago. peace13 Jan 2013 #175

My frist thought as well. nt Javaman Jan 2013 #231

Also, the first thing she did was call her husband NOT 911. nt Iris Jan 2013 #261

200 "in defense" gun deaths per year vs 30,000 total gun deaths per year. No thank you. stevenleser Jan 2013 #80

+ hay rick Jan 2013 #85

The vast majority of defensive gun uses involve no death. LAGC Jan 2013 #105

The stats are in on that too. People are 4-6 times more likely to use their gun stevenleser Jan 2013 #140

Most of those are suicides and with suicides at often higher rates in strong gun control countries TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #150

Your statistic doesn't take into account "in defense without a death". realism101 Jan 2013 #239

Legally owned guns are 4-6 times more likely to be used to intimidate or threaten noncriminals stevenleser Jan 2013 #240

The .38 is just too weak to be really useful FarCenter Jan 2013 #82

It has done well for over a century sarisataka Jan 2013 #90

Not that I give a flying fuck, but wasn't a .38 a standard issue police weapon for a long time? n/t Ed Suspicious Jan 2013 #93

Yes, before PCP. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #108

Most police used .357 magnum service revolvers prior to adoption of semi-automatics. FarCenter Jan 2013 #212

"in case the perp was wearing body armor" More DU gun porn fantasies muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #185

The perp could have been a car that transforms into a giant robot! Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #262

that is exactly why I have a gun MFM008 Jan 2013 #114

I bet this criminal won't want to break into another home again. Good shooting. Nt jal777 Jan 2013 #116

Shot 5 times in the face and neck and he's expected to survive? Prometheus Bound Jan 2013 #120

Why didn't she pick up a cell phone and call police? graham4anything Jan 2013 #126

911 was called Yo_Mama Jan 2013 #158

The fact is that the police normally can't prevent an attack - lynne Jan 2013 #163

On Thursday night a S. Fulton woman was shot Yo_Mama Jan 2013 #194

There is a small minority sarisataka Jan 2013 #200

Clearly she should have hid better ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #264

What are you saying? ecstatic Jan 2013 #247

Ignore that poster ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #263

and when she ran out of bullets, what about the six others with the one? graham4anything Jan 2013 #272

If the house was on fire, I assume someone would yell FIRE! ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #278

she should have used a shoulder to air missle graham4anything Jan 2013 #279

I'm sure you are glad she and her kids are safe ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #280

Back blast sarisataka Jan 2013 #288

I live near where this happened and it was a big discussion on a neighborhood page Iris Jan 2013 #260

OH lovely gun porn in GD aandegoons Jan 2013 #130

Had to be horrifying for both her and her children - lynne Jan 2013 #138

I love it, the DU gun drama, it's fascinating Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #156

Interesting that the perp wasn't armed. Whovian Jan 2013 #159

I would consider a crowbar as being armed - lynne Jan 2013 #165

As well as a spoon or a toothpick. Whovian Jan 2013 #167

Just because he entered without that intention... Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #184

Did he have the crowbar in the attic? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #183

She knew he had access to a crowbar as that's how he entered the house - lynne Jan 2013 #188

it matters for whether your imagination is going too far muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #192

Why else does someone break into your hosue obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #222

No, it's not. Theft is not violent. muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #228

Invading someone's home is violent obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #232

What about the idea of forcing your way into someone's house? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #266

I have to disagree with that. noamnety Jan 2013 #217

He had no reason to think there were people in the attic; many people hide valuables there muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #229

Splitting hairs overthehillvet Jan 2013 #267

Do you post in threads regarding rape.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #281

I'd condemn posters who say women ought to be afraid of being alone in a lift with a man muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #282

He wasa home invader obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #221

Let's start a new thread every time a woman is killed by a domestic partner using a handgun Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #177

yup obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #224

Indeed. Thanks for that. PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #277

Sounds fishy to me HockeyMom Jan 2013 #181

Look at the house Lurker Deluxe Jan 2013 #227

From the aerial picture sarisataka Jan 2013 #230

She was upstairs with her kids when he broke in obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #234

She was in an upstairs bedroom when he tried to break in obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #233

By WHOSE standards? HockeyMom Jan 2013 #250

She should have signed the deed to the house over to the burgler on the way out too ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #265

got to call BS on this one overthehillvet Jan 2013 #268

OK, here's a nutty question: JanMichael Jan 2013 #189

she and the kids were upstairs obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #235

The poor guy was probably just going to ask her where the bread was kept so he could make a sandwich slackmaster Jan 2013 #190

This isn't a laughing matter... Skip Intro Jan 2013 #236

another home invasion in georgia where the woman ran and hid unarmed and was still shoot generalhh Jan 2013 #201

And all she needed was a .38 revolver. I have chased off an intruder appleannie1 Jan 2013 #204

There's nothing like the sound of a 12 gauge being racked. tradecenter Jan 2013 #210

Cocking a shotgun disuaded him? But we've been told that the only purpose for guns is to kill people AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #226

He probably thought that was my intention. He did not stick around long enough to appleannie1 Jan 2013 #253

There is no justification to own or use a gun for any reason! L0oniX Jan 2013 #225

I'd do my best to advertise the warm and cuddly side of my sacred cow too... LanternWaste Jan 2013 #237

Yeah, it seems the memo went out that 2 weeks is long enough to grit the teeth & stay quiet Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #244

You break into my home reformedrethug Jan 2013 #238

Please, Skinner, PLEASE get this crap outa GD and back to the Gungeon where it belongs. Iggo Jan 2013 #252

SECONDED! Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #259

I like a good self defense story as much as the next guy, but... Glassunion Jan 2013 #255

Unrec. The only reason to hawk this story is to counter Newtown. hay rick Jan 2013 #270

That's what debate is marshall Jan 2013 #274

In other news - Island Blue Jan 2013 #276

That town needs some education marshall Jan 2013 #289

pumping 6 rounds into an unarmed guy should be a crime- nothing to be proud of farminator3000 Jan 2013 #290

You're kidding right? Skip Intro Jan 2013 #291

no, i'm totally serious. so is shooting soneone who doesn't even have a gun. so is racism. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #299

Me too. musical_soul Jan 2013 #294

Fine by me! nt cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #298

THIS is what guns are good for. NOT parading around town showing off and intimidating people you kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #301

Could have ended badly brandonk Jan 2013 #302

I checked the original article: things that make you go hmm Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2013 #304