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eridani

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17. There is no obesity problem

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:16 AM

Jan 2013

There is an overworked and underpaid problem, a lack of walkable cities problem, a subsidies for the wrong kind of food problem, and a food desert problem. Solving those problems, unlike publicly abusing fat people, requires social and political action.

People of all weights eat fast food. The critics of the study are bullshit artists. The authors caution that correlation is not causation, and specifically do NOT recomment that people try to gain weight just because of a statistical correlation between higher BMI and longevity. The shuck and jive artists, on the other hand, use any statistical correlation they can find to advocate weight loss. Understandably, they don't like being reminded that correlation isn't causation in the other direction either.

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Telling people being obese isn't unhealthy--not productive [View all] Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 OP

true BainsBane Jan 2013 #1

How do you feel about the recent study that says overweight people live longer? nt ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #2

I think it should be taken with a pound of salt Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #3

Sure--people who make big bux from the weight loss industry don't approve eridani Jan 2013 #4

Please read my article. I read yours. Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #5

The statistical effect even there is quite small eridani Jan 2013 #7

I used to tell my husband who was 6 ft 145 lbs notadmblnd Jan 2013 #35

I'm so sorry liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #51

One of the things he told me when he found out he needed a new heart notadmblnd Jan 2013 #67

I'm so sorry for your loss, notadmblnd Viva_La_Revolution Jan 2013 #65

Lol. that is funny notadmblnd Jan 2013 #66

You are misrepresenting the study adigal Jan 2013 #54

And the fast food makers approve of the study Confusious Jan 2013 #6

Guess what? People who aren't fat eat fast food too n/t eridani Jan 2013 #8

Sorry, This is about your "weight loss industry" bullshit argument, nothing else. nt Confusious Jan 2013 #9

They get billions yearly producing no significant results eridani Jan 2013 #10

And fast food kills people every year Confusious Jan 2013 #12

The metastudy happened to be a summary of about 100 different studies eridani Jan 2013 #13

Like I said, to you it's the second coming Confusious Jan 2013 #14

There is no obesity problem eridani Jan 2013 #17

You're playing word games Confusious Jan 2013 #32

Sure it is, at least in some respects eridani Jan 2013 #68

That all depends if "fat women" get to an age where that can happen Confusious Jan 2013 #76

Odd, but you are the one who simply blathers nonsense about obesity without references eridani Jan 2013 #81

fat women are far less likely to have that happen. Confusious Jan 2013 #82

Far less likely means that at a plump age 66, I have the bone density of a healthy 26 year old eridani Jan 2013 #85

First, you're confusing two studies. Your first link is about an earlier study that came to similar HiPointDem Jan 2013 #21

You are correct, I did screw up the two Confusious Jan 2013 #27

yes, there's a lot of criticism -- about the same amount that the earlier height/weight tables got. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #31

I didn't cite it out of ignorance Confusious Jan 2013 #34

because bmi *isn't* "crap". If you are doing a study about weight, BMI is what you use. It's HiPointDem Jan 2013 #37

How do you know your stepmother died of "overweight"? adigal Jan 2013 #62

Being overweight does not cause diabetes. Genetic insulin resistance causes overweight eridani Jan 2013 #69

Really? got a link to a study Confusious Jan 2013 #74

Thin people mostly have Type I diabetes--being thin is one of its side effects. eridani Jan 2013 #80

Well thanks for all the info, but that's not what was asked Confusious Jan 2013 #83

And you got the link demonstrating that a single protein determines whether you get Type II or not eridani Jan 2013 #86

Because her mother is 95 and still alive Confusious Jan 2013 #73

Paul Campos has written a lot about this issue duffyduff Jan 2013 #60

Prove that "fat" people gorge themselves on fast food--you can't, that's why duffyduff Jan 2013 #58

More straw men Confusious Jan 2013 #72

It's isn't bullshit, but medical quackery is being spewed here duffyduff Jan 2013 #57

Sorry, it is a bullshit argument Confusious Jan 2013 #71

I love Big Macs Aerows Jan 2013 #43

I maintained 5'-11" 150lbs for about 25 years, drank about 6 Dr. Pepper's per day. tridim Jan 2013 #64

I'm 5'3" Aerows Jan 2013 #70

I don't have weight problems myself Confusious Jan 2013 #75

Weight loss industry = quackery duffyduff Jan 2013 #55

I hate January liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #59

"this study" is a meta-analysis of nearly 100 studies with over a million subjects. And it was HiPointDem Jan 2013 #15

As should your post. Again, 20 pounds? Iris Jan 2013 #40

Slightly overweight people may live longer. Obese people do not. reformist2 Jan 2013 #20

the science says otherwise; that moderately obese people do, in fact, have a decreased HiPointDem Jan 2013 #22

Moderately obese people have shorter lifespans as well. reformist2 Jan 2013 #24

BMI 18.5 is 'normal weight' & has the same risk in your chart as bmi 33, 'moderately obese'. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #25

Anything under 20 is underweight and is also unhealthy. Few people argue that 18 is a good BMI. reformist2 Jan 2013 #28

actually, generally accepted clinical standard is 18.5-25 = normal weight. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #33

I also think we need to recognize the difference aaaaaa5a Jan 2013 #36

That study was referring to people just a few lbs overweight. Not obese (30% over ideal wt). Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #84

Obesity is neither healthy nor unhealthy eridani Jan 2013 #11

bingo! liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #48

The science says otherwise. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #16

So what is productive about telling people they are obese? Kalidurga Jan 2013 #18

I have a friend who lost about 100 lbs, going from weighing 385 to weighing 285 eridani Jan 2013 #19

exactly. that's the point liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #53

Excellent post. redqueen Jan 2013 #61

Yes, the "let's shame them out of it" customerserviceguy Jan 2013 #26

Providing information saying certain weight thresholds Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #41

Yeah, sounds like the same bullshit customerserviceguy Jan 2013 #77

And telling them 20 pounds makes them obese? Iris Jan 2013 #39

It's just easier get the red out Jan 2013 #23

Are you a doctor? lunatica Jan 2013 #29

Very few people have any place telling someone about their weight gollygee Jan 2013 #30

I'm not commenting on your weight or any individual's weight. Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #42

More than 20 lbs? Just 20 lbs? That's hardly obese. Iris Jan 2013 #38

According to Mayo, a person can have normal BMI and be obese Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #45

that's just ridiculous. A person is obese when they are 30% above their ideal body weight Iris Jan 2013 #87

I'm just linking to what Mayo clinic says. But I guess you know better Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #88

One thing I am convinced of: AnnaLee Jan 2013 #44

My thread was in response to another thread calling into Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #46

Dear god you're desperate for the status quo jeff47 Jan 2013 #50

you just contradicted your own statement liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #47

+ a fucking gazillion n/t Scout Jan 2013 #79

I struggle with my weight. musical_soul Jan 2013 #49

No, it doesn't. Few people are severely overweight. duffyduff Jan 2013 #52

People can be told all kinds of things treestar Jan 2013 #56

I view health the same way I view religion liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #63

Thanks! customerserviceguy Jan 2013 #78