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Ken Burch

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70. I didn't say OR imply that HRC=Bush(and you know it)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:00 PM

Jan 2013

All I was talking about was what progressive candidate should run if she runs(since she's not progressive).

HRC is a centrist hawk, but she's not the same as Bush.

The point is, we shouldn't have to settle for just 50% different(and no real difference on foreign policy).

Do you have a problem with that assertion?

We aren't "a center-right country", and running under the assumption that we are(which is the only rationale for a HRC candidacy)is the same thing as giving up. Sure, we might win the presidency(although, with the RW haters she has, you'd have to admit, if you're at all honest, that she'd have just as tough time as anybody on the Dem Left), but it would be hollow like it was in the Nineties.

We don't have run self-denial candidacies anymore. We don't have to assume that most of the country is massively to our right.

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If HRC runs in 2016, who should be the pro-worker, pro-peace, pro-justice candidate in the race? [View all] Ken Burch Jan 2013 OP

one, I don't think she will run quinnox Jan 2013 #1

I like Sherrod Brown! PennsylvaniaMatt Jan 2013 #2

I'd say Keith Ellison but that could never happen. tblue Jan 2013 #26

Trumka/Krugman JaneyVee Jan 2013 #3

Good suggestion, there. n/t. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #4

Serious times call for serious measures. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #5

I would swim a river of snot to help Alan Grayson win. Lasher Jan 2013 #6

I need an aspirin bluestateguy Jan 2013 #7

ok Ken Burch Jan 2013 #8

Does get fucking tiring, doesn't it? Yet people that post shit like this are considered the bluestate10 Jan 2013 #88

Richards/Warren 2016 Vincardog Jan 2013 #9

I could get behind that ticket pretty easily Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #17

Keith Richards??? karynnj Jan 2013 #54

Excuse I meant me Gov. Richardson of course Ann Richards would do as well Vincardog Jan 2013 #58

I should have guessed karynnj Jan 2013 #61

isn't Ann Richards dead? dlwickham Jan 2013 #127

She'd still beat Jeb. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #145

Elizabeth Warren/Alan Grayson in 2016 and 2020 Terra Alta Jan 2013 #10

+1. That would be a really great administration for this country. nt Zorra Jan 2013 #23

That's the ticket think Jan 2013 #43

Depends...do you want to win, or make a statement? brooklynite Jan 2013 #11

I define "winning" LWolf Jan 2013 #14

...and electing a Republican who takes the wrong stance isn't a win either... brooklynite Jan 2013 #15

Of course not. LWolf Jan 2013 #16

Or win some.... brooklynite Jan 2013 #18

OK...so you assume it's HRC or defeat. Sad. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #20

No, and in fact I've already reached out to another prospective candidate... brooklynite Jan 2013 #24

Misunderstood you the. You're just anti-Grayson. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #25

I'm starting with Brian Schweitzer... brooklynite Jan 2013 #30

I'm not tied to "Eastern liberals"-I'm from Alaska, for God's sake. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #71

When the Democratic President LWolf Jan 2013 #50

So you believe that the net result of the President's first term has been a negative? brooklynite Jan 2013 #51

Not just sad. LWolf Jan 2013 #120

That is fucking reality. Until conditions change, that is what we have. bluestate10 Jan 2013 #89

It's impossible to CHANGE the conditions if we keep nominating centrists. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #94

That is "fucking" reality. LWolf Jan 2013 #119

If you accept "fucking reality", do you need a conceptual condom? Ken Burch Jan 2013 #137

No. I agree with your # 94. LWolf Jan 2013 #146

In the end, all "prevention of regression" achieves is the reduction of regression. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #147

Yes. nt LWolf Jan 2013 #148

HRC isn't the ONLY candidate who can win. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #21

YOur post is delusional. The majority of americans call themselves moderates. bluestate10 Jan 2013 #90

They may CALL themselves "moderates" Ken Burch Jan 2013 #95

Blasphemer! Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #149

This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 #48

I remember n 2008 when Obama couldn't win Capt. Obvious Jan 2013 #55

That was the basis of the HRC campaign, IIRC Ken Burch Jan 2013 #97

Ooo, ooo! Make a statement! That's the most important thing! Hekate Jan 2013 #100

If either runss, I will be supporting Clinton or Cuomo Godhumor Jan 2013 #12

If Cuomo did nothing but austerity as governor, he'll do nothing but austerity as president. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #22

Budget deficits have to be dealt with. Cuomo is enacting policy that reduce deficits while bluestate10 Jan 2013 #92

He won't be to the left of that as president, though, so what good is he? Ken Burch Jan 2013 #93

Cuomo probably wouldn't run against Clinton democrattotheend Jan 2013 #64

I still don't understand why most of RFK's kids backed HRC. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #99

Probably because they are not RFK, hardly remember Dad, and have moved on to the 21st century Hekate Jan 2013 #106

That's one of the saddest posts I've ever read here. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #108

He was murdered when they were all very young Hekate Jan 2013 #109

There is that. n/t. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #111

Howard Dean. sadbear Jan 2013 #13

I miss Howard Dean. I liked it when he growled, LOL. bettyellen Jan 2013 #19

Howard Dean is to the right of both Clinton and Obama on almost every issue Recursion Jan 2013 #27

'Cause he talks mean to Republicans. That seems to be enough for some. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2013 #33

Yeah, I'm afraid that's it Recursion Jan 2013 #35

Well, not all of us here on DU are as liberal as Obama Ter Jan 2013 #44

I assume you don't mean yourself democrattotheend Jan 2013 #63

Start building for that primary challenge now... SidDithers Jan 2013 #28

There's no reason to see the ideas as ridiculous. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #39

Grayson and Warren are not going to run, there wont be a serious candidate with a realistic JI7 Jan 2013 #29

Let's just run Obama again. Drunken Irishman Jan 2013 #31

It'd almost be worth it. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #40

FUN! FUN! FUN! Drunken Irishman Jan 2013 #42

Let's ask Nader, Stein, Roseanne & Rocky about "statement" candidacies. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2013 #32

A progressive candidate in the Dem primaries isn't like backing Nader or Roseanne in the fall Ken Burch Jan 2013 #37

"Progressive ideas" may be popular, but when you put a face to that progressive.... Tarheel_Dem Jan 2013 #41

Actually, "that play" hasn't ever been DONE by this party in the fall. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #46

Okay, I'll kick your thread one last time. I have no "grudge against" progressives. Hell, I used.. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2013 #56

I didn't make ANYTHING up. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #66

I used to be a progressive, abet a pragmatic one. bluestate10 Jan 2013 #96

Not a valid characterization of progressives at all-and a slander against most of the poor, btw. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #110

Thank you! Well said. nt historylovr Jan 2013 #125

Your post is what used to separate us from teabaggers. Cheers to you for a most excellent analysis. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2013 #124

bashing the poor "used to separate us from teabaggers"? What the hell? Ken Burch Jan 2013 #138

I am a Hillary supporter, but you make a great point that someone should run from the left of her. hrmjustin Jan 2013 #34

Ugh! Larrymoe Curlyshemp Jan 2013 #36

What does that mean? Ken Burch Jan 2013 #38

Welcome to DU. We have posters here that don't realistically look at politics, bluestate10 Jan 2013 #98

A race where HRC was nominated with no one else in the primaries would be passionless. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #102

I would be very surprised if Hillary Clinton was the nominee in 2016 Art_from_Ark Jan 2013 #45

You mean if she's nominated davidpdx Jan 2013 #47

I didn't list those people as running mate possibilities, OR assume she'd be nominated. n/t. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #68

By asking people for running mates for Clinton, you are assuming she will be the nominee davidpdx Jan 2013 #83

No, that wasn't what I meant, and I probably worded the OP unclearly. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #84

What a bunch of unqualified people you recommend as alternatives 1-Old-Man Jan 2013 #49

If HRC didn't run...who else would we have WITH foreign policy experience? Ken Burch Jan 2013 #74

Elizabeth Warren. I don't care what she has said about not wanting to.. Little Star Jan 2013 #52

How can we possibly know that? She has no record. cali Jan 2013 #126

Sen Warren should stay in the Senate and Grayson is unrealistic as far as winning WI_DEM Jan 2013 #53

Well, despite the order I listed the names, Grayson wasn't actually my FIRST choice Ken Burch Jan 2013 #72

The corporations will pick the good cop bad cop ...as usual. L0oniX Jan 2013 #57

Run whoever you want regjoe Jan 2013 #59

Don't be so sure...we really aren't "a center-right country"...and no Dem should believe that we are Ken Burch Jan 2013 #67

The question is regjoe Jan 2013 #73

There's a clear mood, a growing mood, against corporate domination of life Ken Burch Jan 2013 #75

Give it a try regjoe Jan 2013 #79

OWS didn't "fade away"...it was crushed by police brutality. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #82

It faded away due to the lack of support from the people regjoe Jan 2013 #123

You don't know what you're talking about. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #132

I am talking about recent history regjoe Jan 2013 #135

Kucinich/Burch!!1! JNelson6563 Jan 2013 #60

Hillary=Bush! great white snark Jan 2013 #62

I didn't say OR imply that HRC=Bush(and you know it) Ken Burch Jan 2013 #70

1)Dennis won't run again. 2)It's not about me. 3)I AM a Democrat Ken Burch Jan 2013 #69

I see that your thread is getting the approval it deserves. MineralMan Jan 2013 #65

Waste of taxpayer money for anyone else to run. Especially if the others are in office graham4anything Jan 2013 #76

OK, so it doesn't have to be a white male Ken Burch Jan 2013 #77

President Obama picked Warren and gave her the victory with his coattails. graham4anything Jan 2013 #78

If she gets in, I hope you're right about her Ken Burch Jan 2013 #81

let's just say I disagree about LBJ, I think it was the people that messed up a winnable race in 68 graham4anything Jan 2013 #85

You are stepping on a scared cow DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #104

"a scared cow"...I like that... Ken Burch Jan 2013 #105

"Scared cow", my ass!!! Beacool Jan 2013 #113

It didn't refer to HRC as a person... Ken Burch Jan 2013 #114

She never considered herself to be inevitable. Beacool Jan 2013 #128

OK...still, all that I was doing with the "scared cow" thing Ken Burch Jan 2013 #131

Yes, we are. Beacool Jan 2013 #139

I will agree DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #129

I personally don't think Hillary will be running. nt Blue_In_AK Jan 2013 #80

John Kitzhaber or Jerry Brown. Just no more 3rd Way Centrist Clintons, Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2013 #86

Kitzhaber might be the guy. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #87

Dennis Fucking Kucinich. flvegan Jan 2013 #91

If we have to go down in flames, couldn't we do it with a competent candidate? brooklynite Jan 2013 #122

Dennis probably wouldn't run again anyway. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #140

If Hillary runs, she will be that person Hekate Jan 2013 #101

Clearly Russ Feingold. postulater Jan 2013 #103

Brian from Montana marlakay Jan 2013 #107

Hillary is her own person, she's not her husband. Beacool Jan 2013 #112

You're right about Obama...He was not as progressive as he led us to believe. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #115

and what makes her liberal DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #130

I'm voting for Hillary Geodude Jan 2013 #116

No other could beat HRC. n/t Lil Missy Jan 2013 #117

"that progressives and Democrats can support"??? pnwmom Jan 2013 #118

The Green Party candidate will probably be one. mmonk Jan 2013 #121

The idea is to avoid there being support for a Green candidate. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #134

Tell the party bosses. mmonk Jan 2013 #142

They DO have trouble getting it. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #143

If she runs, expect the GOP to attack her on the basis of her blood clot Orrex Jan 2013 #133

That, and they'll dredge up Whitewater and exhume Vince Foster all over again. n/t. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #144

HRC (nt) Recursion Jan 2013 #136

I think Brown or Warren might have a shot. JoeyT Jan 2013 #141

The Answer is Hillary. louis c Jan 2013 #150

We're never going to have one of those again. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #151