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DreamGypsy

(2,252 posts)
110. The reporting is all a bit confused...
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 04:24 PM
Jan 2013

and hence, confusing.

From the more thorough report:

If the couple decides keep the garden, then they will have to pay $500 per day. The Christian Post is reporting that an Orlando city code prohibits residents from growing fruits and vegetables in their front yards.

Following the Christian Post link gives me "select json from cp_data where label='wwwhomepage52' and applied=1...". Not too useful.

The other note from the article is:

According to The New York Times, the Helvenstons’ front yard lacks a “finished” look as dictated by the code.

Following The New York Times link one finds:

Mr. Padin contacted the city, which cited the Helvenstons for violating section 60.207 of Orlando’s Land Development Code (failure to maintain ground cover on property) and set a deadline of Nov. 7 to comply.



Here's the full text of section 60.207 from the Orlando Code:

Sec. 60.207. - General Requirements.

Sec. 60.207. - General Requirements.permanent link to this piece of content

The property owner, occupant and/or agent shall be jointly and individually responsible for installing landscaping, according to accepted commercial planting procedures, using plant materials of species which are native or adapted to the Orlando area.

Existing Plant Material. The Zoning Official may adjust the application of standards contained herein, in part or in whole, to allow credit for healthy plant material on a building site prior or subsequent to its development, if such an adjustment is consistent with the intent of this Chapter. Existing plant material native to Central Florida should, in particular, be retained.

Protection. The Zoning Official shall be authorized to require landscaped areas to be protected from vehicular encroachment with effective wheel stops or curbs.

Anchoring. Wherever new medium or large trees are installed they shall be provided with anchoring to maintain the tree in a vertical upright position for a period of at least one year, in order to provide sufficient time for their roots to become established. Single staking of trees shall be prohibited.

Tree Health. Trees used to satisfy the requirements of this Part shall be in good or fair health as defined by this Chapter. A determination as to the health of trees need not be made in advance of their use; however, poor tree health may be established at any point during the development process in either one of the following ways:

(a)

The applicant may claim poor tree health as a reason to remove an existing tree which would otherwise be required to be retained to satisfy the requirements of this Part. To do so, the applicant shall submit an expert evaluation by a landscape architect, horticulturalist, urban forester or other expert as part of his tree removal permit application.

(b)

The Parks Official in coordination with the Zoning Official may claim poor tree health as a reason for disallowing a new or existing tree for use in satisfying the requirements of this Part. The applicant may rebut such a claim by submitting an expert evaluation by a landscape architect, horticulturalist, urban forester or other expert to the Parks Official, who shall make a final determination. If the expert evaluation recommends recuperative measures to improve tree health, the Parks Official may condition the retention of the tree upon these measures, and may reassess the health of the tree after a one-year recuperation period.

Quality. Plant materials used in conformance with provisions of this Part shall equal or exceed the standards for Florida No. 1 as established and revised by the Florida Department of Agriculture. Grass sod shall be clean and reasonably free of weeds and noxious pests or disease. Grass seed used shall meet requirements of the FDOA quality control program.

Irrigation. Irrigation systems shall be installed according to manufacturer's specifications and the Standard Plumbing Code. All automatic irrigation systems as required by this Part shall be maintained in proper operating condition. Automatically controlled systems shall be operated by an irrigation controller that can provide water to high, moderate, and low water use zones and turfgrass areas on different schedules. Moisture sensor and/or rain gauge equipment shall be required on automatic irrigation systems to avoid irrigation during periods of sufficient rainfall. The use of low volume, emitter or target irrigation is preferred for trees, shrubs and ground covers. Irrigation systems shall be operated to conform to St. John's River or South Florida Water Management District mandatory water use restrictions, when applicable.

Berms. When a berm is used to form a visual screen in lieu of, or in conjunction with, a hedge or wall, such berm shall not exceed a slope of 3:1, and shall be completely covered with shrubs, grass or other living ground cover.

Ground Covers. Ground covers shall be planted in a manner so as to present a finished appearance with reasonably complete coverage under normal growing conditions within 12 months after planting. All improved property in the City, including residential, shall have ground cover or turfgrass installed and maintained in those areas not otherwise planted or covered by structures or pavement.

Hedges. Shrubs used to form hedges shall be of a non-deciduous species, shall be a minimum of 24 inches in height above grade at the time of planting and shall be spaced not more than 36 inches apart and maintained so as to form a continuous visual screen 30 inches in height above grade, under normal growing conditions, within one year after planting.

Turf Grass. Grass shall be of a species normally grown as permanent lawns in the City of Orlando. Grass areas may be sodded, plugged, sprigged or seeded except that solid sod shall be used in swales or other areas subject to erosion.

Tree and Shrub Installation. Grow bags and containers including synthetic burlap shall be completely removed from the root ball prior to planting. All twine or wire shall be cut off from around the trunk at the top of the rootball. Trees and shrubs shall be mulched to a minimum depth of 2 inches with organic mulch at least to the perimeter of the rootball.

(Ord. of 9-16-1991, Doc. #25097; Ord. of 4-20-1992, Doc. #25634)


Seems to me like the applicable section is Ground Covers:

Ground covers shall be planted in a manner so as to present a finished appearance with reasonably complete coverage under normal growing conditions within 12 months after planting


The New York times article discuss the general trend of edible gardens. It also defuses the comments on these thread about current tract housing, subdivision requirements, etc.:

Mr. Helvenston spent last Super Bowl Sunday planting the garden outside his 1940s cottage, in a neighborhood of modest houses close to downtown. Orlando’s growing season is nearly year-round, and Mr. Helvenston, a self-employed sustainability consultant for the building trade, said he saw the garden as “a budget thing” — a money-saving supplement to the chicken coop he and his wife, Jennifer, installed a few months later behind their house.


Ok. I'm done. Excuse me, I need to go get a life.

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Couple to be fined $500 a day for having a garden [View all] littlemissmartypants Jan 2013 OP
Florida . . . BainsBane Jan 2013 #1
I've seen the same thing in Oakland CA, and in Canada. Sirveri Jan 2013 #121
Looks 'finished' to me. HappyMe Jan 2013 #2
I'm guessing it really means... "Perfectly flat, perfectly green, perfectly manicured grass"... tridim Jan 2013 #14
Yeah. I used to do landscaping. HappyMe Jan 2013 #15
With flowers conforming to the approved palette. nt tsuki Jan 2013 #94
Yes, I've seen this video game quality landscape installed in woodland areas. Out of staters move in freshwest Jan 2013 #95
Thanks freshwest... defacto7 Jan 2013 #127
Agreed. In an area such as where I live, where nature abounds in diversity from native plants, they freshwest Jan 2013 #128
what isn't "finished" about it? looks fine to me niyad Jan 2013 #3
Looks finished to me. nt rrneck Jan 2013 #4
That is very pretty and very well-maintained obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #5
It is a lovely garden! robinlynne Jan 2013 #6
Not only should they be allowed to keep their garden... LancetChick Jan 2013 #7
There is no HOA obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #13
that shocks me. barbtries Jan 2013 #24
Orlando, whose nickname is ironically called.... Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #30
From comments, it sounds like because the garden can be eaten obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #32
it's got to be barbtries Jan 2013 #33
I think they would win this obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #36
Maybe the internet publicity will lead to widespread financial support to fight tblue37 Jan 2013 #85
The real estate industry controls us. Baitball Blogger Jan 2013 #8
that is insightful Kolesar Jan 2013 #93
OFFS progressoid Jan 2013 #9
Take my neighbors--please! Demeter Jan 2013 #18
Only read a few of the comments, but they... TreasonousBastard Jan 2013 #10
well, I'm a gardener and I would say that NJCher Jan 2013 #27
"Finished garden" is an oxymoron. Hope they fight these stupid fines. Scuba Jan 2013 #11
So true, as every gardener knows. The only "finished" garden is a plastic one! SunSeeker Jan 2013 #92
This is a testament to just how fucked up our system is PurpleEngineer Jan 2013 #12
it's okay dlwickham Jan 2013 #16
"Property values" is the usual talking point Recursion Jan 2013 #25
It should be illegal for realtors to consider anything other than the value of the actual property Occulus Jan 2013 #111
Orlando is America's favorite tourist trap jmowreader Jan 2013 #115
Maybe they mean 'fenced in' or comparmentalized? randome Jan 2013 #17
Conform....CONFORM!!! Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #19
The solution is obviously more guns Orrex Jan 2013 #20
More guns seems to be the correct answer to everything else, so why not? RC Jan 2013 #26
They'll take my azaleas from my cold, dead hands!!! Ikonoklast Jan 2013 #86
LOL! Melissa G Jan 2013 #123
Because the city is doing this, I can tell you exactly what is happening... Javaman Jan 2013 #21
Yes. You have it exactly right. MineralMan Jan 2013 #28
I have some knowledge of how this works, too NJCher Jan 2013 #29
The BTK serial killer (here in Kansas) used his job as a code enforcer tblue37 Jan 2013 #84
Thy are the Authoritarian Follower personality type as defined by Altemeyer Occulus Jan 2013 #112
I lived in Clifton for a while, and they had... TreasonousBastard Jan 2013 #125
I agree.This looks like a shitty neighbor job SummerSnow Jan 2013 #37
at least with HOA sabbat hunter Jan 2013 #40
Exactly obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #41
I address that mentality in post #112. Occulus Jan 2013 #113
The couple says they don't understand what the problem is. randome Jan 2013 #42
Or maybe no one can adequately explain exactly what the problem is Fumesucker Jan 2013 #72
I agree Renew Deal Jan 2013 #57
it's a lovely garden. barbtries Jan 2013 #22
They can win if they fight this, but it will take MineralMan Jan 2013 #23
At $500 a day its a big gamble. former9thward Jan 2013 #45
It is a gamble. MineralMan Jan 2013 #53
Internet publicity can help, not only by tblue37 Jan 2013 #88
This reminds me of when a couple of friends of mine.. SummerSnow Jan 2013 #31
You know what the HOA allows when you buy a place obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #38
They walked into this eyes wide open... SummerSnow Jan 2013 #48
But changes can be made anytime owners vote for something, right?.. Little Star Jan 2013 #52
It depends on the state obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #67
Simple Solution bvar22 Jan 2013 #87
Not beating on your friends, kiva Jan 2013 #122
are they planting edibles? if so, if I were a neighbor, I would be supernice to them, offer niyad Jan 2013 #34
Yes, they are edibles obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #39
They should place some garden gnomes and really piss them off SummerSnow Jan 2013 #35
LOL Oilwellian Jan 2013 #99
A long line of littlemissmartypants Jan 2013 #116
since it's Florida, how about a nice stand of AR-15s? 0rganism Jan 2013 #119
"Finished appearance" is subjective, therefore a majority of opinions (letters) Ian_rd Jan 2013 #43
Their garden looks finished to me. Guess having three SUV's parked in front is better...n/t AndyA Jan 2013 #44
No borders. No fences to keep children or pets out. randome Jan 2013 #47
It probably is something stupid like that. AndyA Jan 2013 #51
No garden is ever 'finished'... DreamGypsy Jan 2013 #46
heh, I think it takes seven years to a decade to realize the mature growth of many shrubs and plants bigtree Jan 2013 #49
It's beautiful! HappyMe Jan 2013 #55
why, thank you! bigtree Jan 2013 #77
Very, very nice Oilwellian Jan 2013 #103
I had a nice patch of green there bigtree Jan 2013 #104
Nice yard! geardaddy Jan 2013 #71
and, thank you bigtree Jan 2013 #79
Lovely! nt tblue37 Jan 2013 #89
I'll send you my address IDemo Jan 2013 #80
no prob - free-of-charge, of course bigtree Jan 2013 #83
Looks way better than my garden would NBachers Jan 2013 #50
Go to Google Maps 106 E Orlando st, Orlando FL, Street view See what yard looked like before Fla Dem Jan 2013 #54
How does one do that? tblue37 Jan 2013 #90
Photo of yard before garden...................... Fla Dem Jan 2013 #91
Wow. That couple should be given an award! Thanks for the help, btw! nt tblue37 Jan 2013 #96
Note, the next door neighbor has a car parked IN their front yard TexasBushwhacker Jan 2013 #106
The garden looks like a mess Renew Deal Jan 2013 #56
Good grief! HappyMe Jan 2013 #61
It is a very orderly and well-maintained garden obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #69
I'm sorry, that's an eyesore... Earth_First Jan 2013 #58
I was too timid to come out and say that but I agree. randome Jan 2013 #65
Those homeowners paid HappyMe Jan 2013 #66
Why would you be so sure that someone paid to have those installed? Earth_First Jan 2013 #70
Those are professional shoots LeftInTX Jan 2013 #98
You don't know what you are talking about....... BronxBoy Jan 2013 #102
Eyesore... SilveryMoon Jan 2013 #120
Earth_First? Really??? hunter Jan 2013 #124
Shesh, it won't be finished until they eat everything. Historic NY Jan 2013 #59
I love their "unfinished" garden Liberal_in_LA Jan 2013 #60
WTH? It's friggin adorable! Wait Wut Jan 2013 #62
Lesson here is? former-republican Jan 2013 #63
This wouldn't be happening if these people had a gun tularetom Jan 2013 #64
Legistating style. McCamy Taylor Jan 2013 #68
There's no 'style' there whatsoever... Earth_First Jan 2013 #75
I would love to have a neighbor with a garden like that! Brigid Jan 2013 #73
Someone's pissed... Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #74
Doubt it. n/t Earth_First Jan 2013 #76
This is Absolutely Ridiculous! supercats Jan 2013 #78
Would that be the neighborly thing to do? randome Jan 2013 #82
In our town (Lawrence, Kansas), tblue37 Jan 2013 #81
And, of course, reading the comments to the article located here: ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2013 #97
Yes, the comments are fascinating... in a staring at a train wreck sort of way. Silent3 Jan 2013 #101
Hooray for misleading headlines! hughee99 Jan 2013 #100
Obviously they left out the gnomes and flamingoes. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2013 #105
Here is a more thorough link appleannie1 Jan 2013 #107
Um, did anyone say they wanted to 'take' their garden? Or their house? I don't think so. randome Jan 2013 #109
As I understand fines like this, HeiressofBickworth Jan 2013 #126
The reporting is all a bit confused... DreamGypsy Jan 2013 #110
Garden beauty is in the eye of the beholder DreamGypsy Jan 2013 #108
Just put a fence around it and call it finished. Flying Squirrel Jan 2013 #114
I like their 'pot' garden Mimosa Jan 2013 #117
As far as I'm concerned, any garden is a good garden. smirkymonkey Jan 2013 #118
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