Freepers are planning to fire upon police officers and the military--this is some scary and [View all]
threatening talk. God, I hope none of my rural neighbors are this f*ed in the head. On Edit: this is their response to what Biden said about an Executive Order regarding gun control.
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To: Windflier
I believe that’s up to the individual...and the odds of actually living through it and not spending the rest of your life at someplace like Gitmo. Do you really want to kill some cop or military member that may have a family and is just obeying his CO? I don’t how I would feel firing at someone wearing the same uniform I once did.
7 posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 10:46:30 AM by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times."
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To: Windflier
I will fire upon any government representative who attempts to usurp my liberty, even if that means my own death. I have no problem saying it. My soul is prepared.
6 posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 10:46:02 AM by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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7 posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 10:46:30 AM by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times."
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To: rarestia
Me too. While I do not wish to die, I have no fear of death. I do fear being starved to death in one of obama’s camps to the extent that if faced with either being killed or voluntarily going to one of obama’s camps, I will die resisting.
11 posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 10:52:31 AM by sport
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If 30 cops and a SWAT team show up to take your guns will you fight knowing you can’t win? Or do you go along and live to fight another day? I can always get more guns.
There are bad cops and they should be resisted. However a bad cop’s word will most likely be taken as valid over a citizen.
12 posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 10:53:47 AM by rfreedom4u (I have a copy of the Constitution! And I'm not afraid to use it!)
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To: Windflier
There is nothing left of the Republicans in the House or the Senate to avoid a full civil war. The communists training within the American people and the complete system will force what is left to fight. Lock and load. Confiscate of our weapons will result in a total loss of civilian control and we will slip into a total dictatorship.
14 posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 10:53:59 AM by Logical me
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To: Secret Agent Man
I agree, taking another’s life is relative.
15 posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 10:54:32 AM by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times."
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To: stuartcr
Do you really want to kill some cop or military member that may have a family and is just obeying his CO?
It's not a matter of wanting to. No one does, but having to. Do you think this theoretical discussion is any different than the actuality that happened to the Jews in Nazi Germanny? The russian citizens who were takes to die in the gulags? The Armenians who were sent on forced death marches in Turkey? The intellectuals taken to their deaths in Cambodia? I wonder if you could ask them the same question what their answers would be.
And BTW the Nuremburg trials established that following orders is no excuse even for military. It is far less of an excuse for police. They can just quit with no consequences if they don't like their orders. They wont be shot for desertion. I'm guessing that most of them won't have any problem with following those orders, and therefore there should be no moral dilemma about shooting them.
19 posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 10:58:16 AM by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: rfreedom4u
I have a better idea. Somewhere on your land you have an underground safe spot to hide your guns and ammo. I have six acres of land. Good luck to the hick town cops if they try and find them, which they won’t.
“Sorry sir, I lost that Saiga rifle in a boating accident.”
20 posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 10:58:46 AM by TheRhinelander
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To: stuartcr
Do you really want to kill some cop or military member that may have a family and is just obeying his CO?
If a man has made the conscious choice to aid and abet a tyrannical government by acting as its jackbooted thug, then I say, yes. He willingly chose to strip me of my God-given rights, and I will strip him of his life for that mistake.
21 posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 10:59:10 AM by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: rfreedom4u
I have a number of weapons and lots of ammunition at my house. If 30 cops and a SWAT team really wanted to, I might last 5 minutes...after my house and myself were riddled with holes, I wonder how long my neighbors would hold out and what they would say a month later about my valiant stand?
28 posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 11:03:13 AM by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times."
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To: rfreedom4u
As soon as the confiscation starts, groups are going to form. SWAT teams and others will be engaged in the open field. Being that most are trained at dynamic entry, they will be at a disadvantage.
29 posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 11:03:13 AM by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! [You can vote Democrat when you're dead]...)
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To: Windflier
The only question I have is who has my back. I would not give up my guns no matter what - they would literally be pried from my cold dead fingers. But after that what?
If one tries to prearrange backup you are trying to form a “militia” and get raided. Neighbors can always say they will back you but will they really? After they see the jack boots kill you and burn your house, will the neighbors stand and watch or will they snipe from the roof tops?
I have been quietly arranging my own backup. Nothing in writing, nothing in concrete. My guns have all been sold and hidden away. We practice in private, and discuss in private. Nothing in writing, nothing electronic.
I can only count on a handful of close associates and hope that there are similar small groups forming as all this gun control process works itself out.
Should my neighbors come under attack, I would certainly back them up, but I am not sure about the reverse.
43 posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 11:21:26 AM by msrngtp2002 (Just my opinion.)
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To: montanajoe
The question I always have when this debate comes up is how will they find them... Guns..what guns?
People who don't understand that the whole purpose for owning guns, is to have the means to resist tyranny, crack me up with talk of 'hiding' their weapons.
What exactly is the purpose of keeping your weapons if you're not willing to kill the agents of tyranny with them?
54 posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 11:32:49 AM by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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o: stuartcr
“Do you really want to kill some cop or military member that may have a family and is just obeying his CO?”
Funny, why do you not direct that question at him? If he is perfectly willing to do so to me, (demonstrated by his presence in an unconstitutional raid) yes, i would light him up. An order to violate the clearly written rights of Americans is an illegal order. At that moment, he becomes a nazi, or an NKVD agent if he complies. If he is worthy of the uniform he wears, he has a clear, well-understood, legal duty to disobey, with force if needed. Mi Lai is a fine example. Such orders need not be obeyed, and soldiers may use force to stop them.
I feel more sorry for my family than his. He is the one who came to my door looking for a fight. The Nuremburg defense “just following orders” was wrong then, and wrong now.
58 posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 11:37:33 AM by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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