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40. I *love* that idea

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 05:23 PM

Jan 2013

I wish somebody would *do* that and actually come up with an objective classification system of firearms based on their capabilities.

Those who pretend to not have an idea what these terms mean tend to be intentionally trying to keep the situation as murky as possible so as to stifle all discussion, and progress forward.

OK, but look at the last time we tried this: we wound up banning rifles based on whether or not they had bayonet lugs. I have no idea whether SE McIdiotCupp was playing dumb or not; I do know that in general I literally have no idea what many gun control activists think they mean when they call for certain restrictions, because in the nature of things these are for the most part not people who are very familiar with guns.

Look at this from the perspective of someone who is very familiar with guns: you have two guns that operate exactly the same and look different. Large numbers of people call for one to be banned but not the other. Can you at least grant the possibility that this fact is actually confusing to some of us?

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SE Cupp doesn't know what "rapid-fire" or Military grade weapons" means [View all] TeamPooka Jan 2013 OP

please annabanana Jan 2013 #1

It's just like watching a DU gun thread. bluedigger Jan 2013 #2

LOL. True! n/t OneGrassRoot Jan 2013 #18

I had the same reaction. 99Forever Jan 2013 #50

I just saw that.... 49jim Jan 2013 #3

She annoys the living shit out of me... OneGrassRoot Jan 2013 #4

"assault weapon" is quite literally a phrase that was invented to scare people Recursion Jan 2013 #7

It's also redundant, right? OneGrassRoot Jan 2013 #11

Aurora and Columbine were plain old shotguns; VA Tech was plain old handguns Recursion Jan 2013 #14

I wasn't including you in that description, Recursion... OneGrassRoot Jan 2013 #16

Here's where I get accused of "deflection", but... Recursion Jan 2013 #20

Thank you... OneGrassRoot Jan 2013 #28

I'm not sure you're right about that. Recursion Jan 2013 #30

Let me ask you a question instead... OneGrassRoot Jan 2013 #34

Very little has changed since about World War One Recursion Jan 2013 #35

I have a theory on the drop in violence metalbot Jan 2013 #115

Loved this ... DakotaLady Jan 2013 #17

OK, but except for Sandy Hook those were "normal" weapons Recursion Jan 2013 #27

by definition assault weapons are the type used by armed forces.... TeamPooka Jan 2013 #19

Hm ok. Those have been banned since the 1930s Recursion Jan 2013 #22

I wish more people were aware of this. JohnnyBoots Jan 2013 #31

Just Goes To Show That Gun Control Works. Paladin Jan 2013 #48

Yup. The NFA has been very effective Recursion Jan 2013 #49

A Bushmaster AR 15 is an automatic rifle so you are wrong. TeamPooka Jan 2013 #68

No, it's not Recursion Jan 2013 #72

No, its not. HooptieWagon Jan 2013 #77

It was invented by the Nazis. jeff47 Jan 2013 #21

Yes, the phrase "assault weapon" was coined to make people think of assault rifles Recursion Jan 2013 #26

Actually, Sir, It Was There From the Start The Magistrate Jan 2013 #23

I said "assault weapon" not "assault rifle" Recursion Jan 2013 #25

That, Sir, May Be the Silliest Quibble Seen Yet From 'Team NRA' And Associates The Magistrate Jan 2013 #32

Do you honestly not know that there's a huge difference between the two? Recursion Jan 2013 #33

Do You Honestly Have Such An Inflated View Of Yourself, Sir, As That? The Magistrate Jan 2013 #37

You are factually mistaken about converting a semi-automatic rifle to a fully automatic rifle Recursion Jan 2013 #39

The Eighties, Sir, Was About the Time I Stopped Paying Much Attention To Weaponry The Magistrate Jan 2013 #43

The gas ports are in different locations and the gas follows a different path Recursion Jan 2013 #46

sir, you are wasting your time. spanone Jan 2013 #76

I do listen, and it's not a waste to talk to me Recursion Jan 2013 #78

Semantics: the last refuge of a weak argument TeamPooka Jan 2013 #69

Have you seen the threads about the word "entitlement" Recursion Jan 2013 #74

After being used by the people at Gun Digest, in 1986 jmg257 Jan 2013 #94

Was her point that those are ambiguous phrases? Recursion Jan 2013 #5

ambiguous how annabanana Jan 2013 #8

Well, what does "rapid fire" mean? Recursion Jan 2013 #10

They are utterly meaningless terms 1-Old-Man Jan 2013 #15

then I'm not sending you to the store with a shopping list without supervision. TeamPooka Jan 2013 #9

So you create a measurement system that qualitfies it. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #38

I *love* that idea Recursion Jan 2013 #40

I grant you you last point ... however ... I'd suggest that what happens is ... JoePhilly Jan 2013 #45

I would love to see licensure adopted Recursion Jan 2013 #47

Thank you, JoePhilly and Recursion... OneGrassRoot Jan 2013 #61

After only a few million flaming threads Recursion Jan 2013 #64

Indeed. OneGrassRoot Jan 2013 #65

The difference? Semantics. In Aurora for example, James Holmes shot 30 rounds in 26 seconds. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #6

I have not followed Aurora in detail. Hangingon Jan 2013 #12

There was a police investigation and eyewitnesses. TeamPooka Jan 2013 #13

Semantics and gunz gobbledygook billh58 Jan 2013 #24

Bingo ... that's exactly what she was doing ... that and playing dumb. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #36

she is a better fit riverbendviewgal Jan 2013 #29

She has all the potential but lacks a rational brain. n/t bamacrat Jan 2013 #41

physically she looks perfect qazplm Jan 2013 #63

True. bamacrat Jan 2013 #71

Funny for a propaganda artist to forget her lines. Rex Jan 2013 #42

If "definitions & context" don't matter, then intelligent people can't have a productive discussion. jody Jan 2013 #44

Come On, Jody. We're Talking S.E. Cupp, Here. Paladin Jan 2013 #51

Paladin I bow to your insight and conclusion. Happy New Year and peace to you and yours. jody Jan 2013 #54

Same To You, Bud. Best Wishes. (nt) Paladin Jan 2013 #55

They matter, which is why some work so hard to muddy the water. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #52

Understand and then slip into law granting the Attorney General unilateral authority to ban any jody Jan 2013 #57

You should build strawmen for a living ... you're good at it. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #58

You replied to MY #44. I pointed out how a bill like H.R. 1022 could be deviously modified jody Jan 2013 #62

Another throw up hands and shrug response. Not a big surprise. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #66

I have no idea what is your problem. I asserted "44. If 'definitions & context' don't matter, then jody Jan 2013 #67

Assumption Alert! TeamPooka Jan 2013 #70

You and recursion just live for the moment to whine about terminology on DU Kolesar Jan 2013 #56

As long as the terminolgy and its meaning remains muddied, there can be no JoePhilly Jan 2013 #59

I think it's unfair to say that pushing for accurate usage Recursion Jan 2013 #75

But did you try to correct it? JoePhilly Jan 2013 #79

There is a group of weapons that are all essentially the same, functionally Recursion Jan 2013 #82

I'm not only talking about semi-automatic weapons. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #83

I'm specifically talking about "rapid fire" because you brought that up Recursion Jan 2013 #86

I'm pretty sure he left the shotgun in the car. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #89

And now that I think of it I don't know what kind of shotgun it was Recursion Jan 2013 #90

Yea, getting inside his head is pretty tough ... JoePhilly Jan 2013 #92

I do get that, and I think that's a fair point Recursion Jan 2013 #93

I want to discuss solutions that become law that will prevent another Sandy Hook Tragedy and reduce jody Jan 2013 #60

So propose something. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #81

I've posted my position many times since 2001.nt jody Jan 2013 #95

Then surely you have a link handy to your JoePhilly Jan 2013 #97

LOL 1. enforce federal law aggressively, 2. mandatory sentence for use of firearms, 3. Sentence for jody Jan 2013 #100

Above, you called for proposals that would have prevented Sandy Hook. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #101

JoePhilly you did what you accused me of doing, "Nope, that's not it." You didn't read carefully jody Jan 2013 #102

I refered to a specific condition that you put forward previously. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #106

Stats I quoted are from the site below. You say they are "easily refuted" then prove it by refuting. jody Jan 2013 #109

Maybe because the gun Lanza used wasn't an assault weapon? Recursion Jan 2013 #73

Can you name ANY weapon or ammo that we should ban from civilian use? JoePhilly Jan 2013 #84

Sure, semi-automatics with detachable magazines Recursion Jan 2013 #85

So, I'd say start with that law ... sell no more ... and then ... JoePhilly Jan 2013 #87

Thanks JoePhilly and Recursion... Captain Stern Jan 2013 #99

That's sensible Recursion Jan 2013 #104

I think part of what happens is that people use certain terms as a short hand. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #105

The terms aren't clearly understood. Captain Stern Jan 2013 #110

Correct, and so you start there and BOTH SIDES work on tighening the defintions. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #112

While that may be what they mean... Recursion Jan 2013 #116

Most neocons are like that, especially in the media Warpy Jan 2013 #53

She knows as much about that as she does about anything. hobbit709 Jan 2013 #80

S.E. Cupp is Hawt jpak Jan 2013 #88

Typical, they go to simantics when their positions are found wanting uponit7771 Jan 2013 #91

She has to know LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #96

Just to be clear, this is 97 replies and nobody here has been able to say what they mean either? Recursion Jan 2013 #98

Let me summarize - gun nuttery sucks jpak Jan 2013 #103

I think your response to me in post #85 works. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #107

I'm sick of this wheezing wacko. n/t Pryderi Jan 2013 #108

republicons love to play their semantic BS...let them try and play arthritisR_US Jan 2013 #111

Lets not wait for her slow ass to catch up. Ganja Ninja Jan 2013 #113

ladies and gentlement of the jury Enrique Jan 2013 #114